Should cyclists pay Road Tax & Insurance?

tomcollins97

How often have you been driving along in your car, only to be forced into slowing down for a cyclist or worse two cyclists, who are hogging the road? Cyclists pay no road tax or insurance yet they on occasion act as if they own the highway. Cyclist should have a licence to be on the roads & have passed a test to prove they have the necessary road knowledge & can cycle safely. If a cyclist is insufficiently lit or breaking road traffic rules it should be possible to hand down a fine.

My pet hates when it comes to cyclists are:

Insufficient lighting on a bike, especially in the winter months. As a motorist you are obliged to have all lights working, if you are a cyclist you can cycle with none
Lack of reflective clothing – if a motorist hits a cyclist it is their fault, even if the motorist cannot see them
Lack of signalling when turning – cars indicate so why can’t cyclists.
Cyclists coming up on the inside of a car which is indicating to turn left.
Cyclists breaking red lights
Cyclists cycling too far out from the footpath & impeding traffic flow
Cyclists refusing to slow down when the cycle lane runs through a bus stop
Cyclists wearing headphones
Cyclists generally paying no heed to what is around them

Caroline_ie

... meh

kenmc

Why should cyclists be alone in paying road tax?

DirkVoodoo

Wow, this thread screams "ban me!"

Seriously, you just got chopped in the last thread you replied to here for making an ill-informed comment about how exactly traffic works in this country and now you are making a deliberately troll-tastic thread about how much you hate cycling on the cycling forum.

I do believe cyclists can and do get fined for breaking road laws btw, I don't know where you get some of your info. I agree with the lighting mind, seen a fair few ninja cyclists recently. But why come on here? Surely if you read a few threads here you would see how much we talk about lighting, safety, etc.

Someone point this man to the wiki!

Hank Scorpio

did u fall off your bike as a child?

tomcollins97

kenmc wrote: »

Why should cyclists be alone in paying road tax?

What do you mean Kenmc? Cars, motorbikes, trucks, buses, coaches etc all pay tax to put a vehicle on the road. Cyclists do not

dub_skav

Is this the start of our sticky on getting all the ill-informed questions in one thread?

kenmc

tomcollins97 wrote: »

What do you mean Kenmc? Cars, motorbikes, trucks, buses, coaches etc all pay tax to put a vehicle on the road.

No they don't. Use the internet to find out why.
Homework.

Cyclists do not

Yes they do. Second part of the homework.

tomcollins97

nuxxx wrote: »

did u fall off your bike as a child?

Ah no... I cycle on the roads & use cycle lanes. Drives bad habits irk me as much as cyclists bad habits do when I am driving. I am a responsible cyclist & it really bothers me that there are other out there who have complete disgregard for road users & the rules of the road

flickerx

And yet... the 350-400 deaths a year on Irish roads are caused by motorists, not cyclists. I reckon the motorists should have to pay a death on the roads tax as well as a motor tax, in addition to extra killing the planet taxes, destroying the quality of life in urban areas tax, and general stupidity tax (as demonstrated by the nth post above on the exact same topic posted by other trolling idiots who wander in here thinking they've got something new and important to say).

Species. Disgusting. Etc.

Maybe we could just scoop this post up and dump it in another similar one, rather than the lock proposal. Mods?

Caroline_ie

Have you ever tried to renew your 'Road tax' on www.roadtax.ie ...? MMMMmm give it a try ...

Halfrauds

yes and base it on car system,

carbon emmissions = 0 so no tax:p

id pay the insurance just for the theft though:)

High&Low

tomcollins97 wrote: »

What do you mean Kenmc? Cars, motorbikes, trucks, buses, coaches etc all pay tax to put a vehicle on the road. Cyclists do not

Can I be the 1000th person on boards to point out that NOBODY in Ireland pays road tax, however some persons in this country pay motortax. As someone pointed out yesterday motortax is currently based on emmisions, I have no problem with a similar emmisions tax on bikes!!!!

DirkVoodoo

I think your Joe Duffy style rant could do with a bit of fact and not just your "pet hates".

"Cyclists generally paying no heed to what is around them"

Yeah, I love doing this. Nothing gives me more of a thrill every morning than cycling with my eyes closed, hands over my hears shouting "lalalalala" Seriously, I have a system: I just keep pedalling like this "pedal-pedal-pedal" and if a car gets in my way its their own fault. I have no regard for my own safety and I cycle only as a way to antagonise the rightful masters of the "highway"; motorists like you.

Any other wild generalisations you want to swing about in here? Cyclists sell drugs to school children? Cyclists are one day going to rise up and overthrow the oil companies? A cyclist was seen on the grassy knoll that day?

tunney

Your post deomonstrates your ignorance.

Only going to address one point

Cyclists cycling too far out from the footpath & impeding traffic flow

This is for our safetly. Motorists are by and large poorly trained, inattentive, have poor observation skills and no idea of the damage a car can do. By cycling "too far out from the footpath" cyclists can reduce the probability of a motorist hitting them "because they didn't see them". Most times a motorist "didn't see" a cyclist its because they didn't look.

tomcollins97

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Wow, this thread screams "ban me!"

Why??

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Surely if you read a few threads here you would see how much we talk about lighting, safety, etc.
Someone point this man to the wiki!

I have seen this but we the number of dark shadows I pass on my way to work very few cyclists seem to take notice. If they had insurance premius to worry about & faced higher payments if accidents happen it might make a difference

flickerx

tomcollins97 wrote: »

Ah no... I cycle on the roads & use cycle lanes. Drives bad habits irk me as much as cyclists bad habits do when I am driving. I am a responsible cyclist & it really bothers me that there are other out there who have complete disgregard for road users & the rules of the road

I dont believe you.

Please mods, time to start that sticky or editing such threads into one - these threads started again and again are the exact same, for the same reasons - our board space for exchanging actual information about cycling and bikes is being crowded out by mouthy motoring morons.

Karma

muppet check, oh yes, Tomcollins from the motors forum...

i have a car and pay MOTOR TAX not road tax, my cars upkeep in tax and insurance is more than anyone of my bikes cost.
back to the motors forum with you.
idiot...

Stark

tomcollins97 wrote: »

How often have you been driving along in your car, only to be forced into slowing down for a cyclist or worse two cyclists, who are hogging the road?

If you get upset over being forced to slow down when driving through a city, you shouldn't be driving imo. Why don't you go start a thread about how traffic lights and schoolchildren should have to pay "road tax".

Halfrauds

tomcollins97 wrote: »

How often have you been driving along in your car, only to be forced into slowing down for a cyclist or worse two cyclists, who are hogging the road? Cyclists pay no road tax or insurance yet they on occasion act as if they own the highway. Cyclist should have a licence to be on the roads & have passed a test to prove they have the necessary road knowledge & can cycle safely. If a cyclist is insufficiently lit or breaking road traffic rules it should be possible to hand down a fine.

My pet hates when it comes to cyclists are:

Insufficient lighting on a bike, especially in the winter months. As a motorist you are obliged to have all lights working, if you are a cyclist you can cycle with none
Lack of reflective clothing – if a motorist hits a cyclist it is their fault, even if the motorist cannot see them
Lack of signalling when turning – cars indicate so why can’t cyclists.
Cyclists coming up on the inside of a car which is indicating to turn left.
Cyclists breaking red lights
Cyclists cycling too far out from the footpath & impeding traffic flow
Cyclists refusing to slow down when the cycle lane runs through a bus stop
Cyclists wearing headphones
Cyclists generally paying no heed to what is around them

cyclists should do a test , you are right that most are total GOB****ES, unaware of their dumbness.

bikes should also have to have a nct type test, and the standard which is the bristish standard BS, should be extended to components not frames, that will get rid of the supermarket thrash thats wrecking the cyclists who are dserious, its wrecking their credibility as road users.

Jumpy

Wait... shouldnt this be in Sex and Sexuality?

Why are we discussing turning you on anyway?

flickerx

Basta. Lock it.

TinyExplosions

tomcollins97 wrote: »

How often have you been driving along in your car, only to be forced into slowing down for a cyclist or worse two cyclists, who are hogging the road? Cyclists turn me on or insurance yet they on occasion act as if they own the highway. Cyclist should have a licence to be on the roads & have passed a test to prove they have the necessary road knowledge & can cycle safely.

I've never been forced to slow down a cyclist when out driving. Not once in my entire life. Oh wait, that's because I don't drive

Cyclists are allowed cycle two abreast if it's safe to do so, and they have as much right on the highway as you do. It would appear by complaining in such a manner as to suggest they don't have the same rights as a motorist that you might not have the necessary road knowledge you seem to think is important.

Can I ask if you are a cyclist?

tomcollins97 wrote: »

If a cyclist is insufficiently lit or breaking road traffic rules it should be possible to hand down a fine.

It is possible, and indeed is against the law to break road traffic rules or be insufficiently lit, it's the guards you should moan at about that. Oh, and while you're at it, tell them to fine cars that break red lights or drive dangerously, or people that jay walk (yes, it's an offense), or any of the myriad other offenses that are ignored on a daily basis but our keepers of the police. It's not our fault they don't enforce the law

tomcollins97 wrote: »

My pet hates when it comes to cyclists are:

Insufficient lighting on a bike, especially in the winter months. As a motorist you are obliged to have all lights working, if you are a cyclist you can cycle with none
Lack of reflective clothing – if a motorist hits a cyclist it is their fault, even if the motorist cannot see them
Lack of signalling when turning – cars indicate so why can’t cyclists.
Cyclists coming up on the inside of a car which is indicating to turn left.
Cyclists breaking red lights
Cyclists cycling too far out from the footpath & impeding traffic flow
Cyclists refusing to slow down when the cycle lane runs through a bus stop
Cyclists wearing headphones
Cyclists generally paying no heed to what is around them

A fair list of pet hates. Can I have one too? How about:

Cars that break red lights in order to turn right (as cyclists are usually first away when the lights go green, they can be put in danger)
Cars that pull left without looking into the cycle lane, cutting up, or knocking off cyclists
Cars that over take cyclists, then immediately cut in front of you and turn left
Cars that pull out in front of you as they aren't looking
Drivers on mobile phones who don't look where they're going
SUV Drivers (Don't have anything against them, just don't like their cars)

I know I've pointed out a few things there that's illegal, but if you can, I can.

-in a mood to feed trolls today

tomcollins97

Halfrauds wrote: »

yes and base it on car system,

carbon emmissions = 0 so no tax:p

id pay the insurance just for the theft though:)

Good point!

kenmc

tomcollins97 wrote: »

I have seen this but we the number of dark shadows I pass on my way to work very few cyclists seem to take notice. If they had insurance premius to worry about & faced higher payments if accidents happen it might make a difference

Well why the fuk don't you ask them instead of us then, since you know that the people here are safety conscious and well lit?

Or since you're tarring all cyclists with the same brush, why don't you ask yourself that question since you're also a cyclist and by default must also be tarred with that same brush.

TinyExplosions

kenmc wrote: »

Why should cyclists be alone in turning me on?

Fixed -man, this rule takes a lot of time to enforce

Chips Lovell

tomcollins97 wrote: »

Cyclists pay no road tax or insurance yet they on occasion act as if they own the highway.

tomcollins97

Karma wrote: »

muppet check, oh yes, Tomcollins from the motors forum...

i have a car and pay MOTOR TAX not road tax, my cars upkeep in tax and insurance is more than anyone of my bikes cost.
back to the motors forum with you.
idiot...

Why the personal attack Karma? Can you not discuss items in a civilised manner?

TinyExplosions

Caroline_ie wrote: »

Have you ever tried to renew your turning me on on www.roadtax.ie ...? MMMMmm give it a try ...

brayblue24

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I do believe cyclists can and do get fined for breaking road laws btw,

Yes they do frequently and rightly so if they transgress.OP this thread is a nonsense and a deliberate troll

TinyExplosions

High&Low wrote: »

Can I be the 1000th person on boards to point out that NOBODY in Ireland turns me on, however some persons in this country pay motortax. As someone pointed out yesterday motortax is currently based on emmisions, I have no problem with a similar emmisions tax on bikes!!!!

I think it's a winner

tricky D

Can't wait to see the Gardai handing out tickets to 6 year old kids.

TinyExplosions

Karma wrote: »

muppet check, oh yes, Tomcollins from the motors forum...

i have a car and pay MOTOR TAX not turning me on, my cars upkeep in tax and insurance is more than anyone of my bikes cost.
back to the motors forum with you.
idiot...

DirkVoodoo

tomcollins97 wrote: »

If they had insurance premius to worry about & faced higher payments if accidents happen it might make a difference

Seriously, I only worry about injury to myself. I don't need to pay a few hundred euro a year to make me any more concerned about my own welfare on the bike.

You make it sound like cyclists couldnt give a f**k who/what they hit?

I don't think anyone here actually gets a thrill out of nearly killing themselves so they can ding a car, use some sense for god's sake!

Oh, i suggested ban because this is terrible trolling, why else would you post what you did here?

TinyExplosions

Stark wrote: »

If you get upset over being forced to slow down when driving through a city, you shouldn't be driving imo. Why don't you go start a thread about how traffic lights and schoolchildren should have to turn me on.

Oh dear, getting a lil disturbing now....

tunney

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Seriously, I only worry about injury to myself. I don't need to pay a few hundred euro a year to make me any more concerned about my own welfare on the bike.

You make it sound like cyclists couldnt give a f**k who/what they hit?

I don't think anyone here actually gets a thrill out of nearly killing themselves so they can ding a car, use some sense for god's sake!

Oh, i suggested ban because this is terrible trolling, why else would you post what you did here?

To be fair insurance, third party, is an issue when riding as part of a club. Most of the training spins I do are covered by third party insurance.

flickerx

el tonto wrote: »

My favourite

tomcollins97

Halfrauds wrote: »

bikes should also have to have a nct type test, and the standard which is the bristish standard BS, should be extended to components not frames, that will get rid of the supermarket thrash thats wrecking the cyclists who are dserious, its wrecking their credibility as road users.

Here here!

TinyExplosions

tomcollins97 wrote: »

Here here!

Where where?

Think you mean "Hear, Hear"

DirkVoodoo

Right Tom, minister for cycling, how would you bring in a cycling test? Please, if you give us some details it would really make this a lot more interesting?

Should cyclists have to reverse around corners? Does the tester sit on your lap while you ride around? Do i get extra points or a special license for being more euro?

Oh, and the NCT for bikes, genius! Why didnt I think of this? I mean, bikes are mechanically so simple and produce zero emissions that its a wonder no one thought of this before!

But really, outline the test you would put in place, my work day just got a little better.

liamo

tomcollins97 wrote: »

How often have you been driving along in your car cycling along, only to be forced into slowing down for a cyclist car or worse two cyclists cars, who are hogging the road cycle path? Cyclists Motorists pay no road tax or insurance yet they on occasion act as if they own the highway. Cyclist Motorists should have a licence to be on the roads & have passed a test to prove they have the necessary road knowledge & can cycle drive safely but many don't bother. If a cyclist motorist is insufficiently lit or breaking road traffic rules it should be possible to hand down a fine.

My pet hates when it comes to cyclists motorists are:

Insufficient lighting on a bike car, especially in the winter months. As a motorist you are obliged to have all lights working, if you are a cyclist you can cycle with none are also obliged to have all lights working
Lack of reflective clothing attention – if a motorist hits a cyclist it is their fault, even especially if the motorist cannot see them wasn't paying attention
Lack of signalling courtesy to cyclists when turning – cars indicate so why can’t cyclists.ing don't automatically get right of way.
Cyclists Motorists coming cutting up on the inside of a car which is indicating to a cyclists just so he can turn left quicker.
Cyclists Motorists breaking red lights
Cyclists cycling Motorists driving too far out from close to the footpath & impeding traffic flow cyclists
Cyclists Motorists refusing to slow down when the cycle lane runs through a bus stop when appropriate
Cyclists wearing headphonesMotorists on cellphones
Cyclists Motorists generally paying no heed to what is around them

There. Fixed that for you.

niceonetom

tomcollins97 wrote: »

How often have you been driving along in your car, only to be forced into slowing down for a cyclist or worse two cyclists, who are hogging the road?

oh noes!! having to slow down for other road users! poor you!

tomcollins97 wrote: »

Cyclists pay no road tax or insurance yet they on occasion act as if they own the highway.

the utter bastards. again, poor you.

tomcollins97 wrote: »

Cyclist should have a licence to be on the roads & have passed a test to prove they have the necessary road knowledge & can cycle safely.

i agree. they should be licenced, registered, tarred, feathered, re-educated, interned, shot and boiled down for glue.

tomcollins97 wrote: »

If a cyclist is insufficiently lit or breaking road traffic rules it should be possible to hand down a fine.

already is. next.

tomcollins97 wrote: »

My pet hates when it comes to cyclists are:

Insufficient lighting on a bike, especially in the winter months. As a motorist you are obliged to have all lights working, if you are a cyclist you can cycle with none
Lack of reflective clothing – if a motorist hits a cyclist it is their fault, even if the motorist cannot see them
Lack of signalling when turning – cars indicate so why can’t cyclists.
Cyclists coming up on the inside of a car which is indicating to turn left.
Cyclists breaking red lights
Cyclists cycling too far out from the footpath & impeding traffic flow
Cyclists refusing to slow down when the cycle lane runs through a bus stop
Cyclists wearing headphones
Cyclists generally paying no heed to what is around them

yawn. don't care. my pet hates include animals dressed as humans, the coffee chocolates in cadbury's roses, and morons who don't have a rashers what they're talking about.

in conclusion i would like to add:

Chips Lovell

Halfrauds

maybe to get insurance a bike needs a 3 months service, and then make insurance legal, im sure the guards can spot a bike that hasnt been serviced, it would also put alot of spoofer shops either out of business, or force them to up the bar abit.

win win for everybody:D

Halfrauds

el tonto wrote: »

:D:D:D

so funny.

DirkVoodoo

Halfrauds wrote: »

maybe to get insurance a bike needs a 3 months service, and then make insurance legal, im sure the guards can spot a bike that hasnt been serviced, it would also put alot of spoofer shops either out of business, or force them to up the bar abit.

win win for everybody:D

no, really

I didnt know gardai had bike mechanic training. Next time I cycle into one with no lights and my headphones blaring, I must ask him about that noise from my bottom bracket.

EDIT: Ah, just checked Garda website. They get a 6 month bike mechanic course, followed by computer hacking skills, ninja skills, rock climbing skills....etc.

tomcollins97

tunney wrote: »

By cycling "too far out from the footpath" cyclists can reduce the probability of a motorist hitting them "because they didn't see them". Most times a motorist "didn't see" a cyclist its because they didn't look.

why would a motorist be on the footpath?

Alanstrainor

tunney wrote: »

Your post deomonstrates your ignorance.

Only going to address one point



By cycling "too far out from the footpath" cyclists can reduce the probability of a motorist hitting them "because they didn't see them". Most times a motorist "didn't see" a cyclist its because they didn't look.

+1 to the above, but just to note an additional reason, drains. Motorists often forget that on the far left of roads there are drains at regular intevals, these drains can be lethal to cyclists, as they are often placed deep into the road surface, meaning if a cyclist flies into one, they can expect to fly off.

Diarmuid

Better late than never.

DirkVoodoo

Ah Tom, how will you ever survive in the real world?

it goes: footpath | Abomination | Road

TinyExplosions

tomcollins97 wrote: »

why would a motorist be on the footpath?

Too far out from the footpath indicates that he is on the road, not on tha actual footpath. Otherwise he would have written 'By cycling "too far out on from the footpath"