TII Motorway Service Areas (MSA) Progress Thread

D Trent

http://m.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/news/empty-m11-rest-stop-costs-16k-a-month-34378667.html

OldMrBrennan83

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Schadenfreudia

D Trent wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/news/empty-m11-rest-stop-costs-16k-a-month-34378667.html

If the challenger loses the Court action I presume the TII can claim damages for all this lost revenue??

annfield1978

www.t4msa.ie

flazio

Any update on the online station between Athlone and Moate? Haven't seen any activity there since October.
The offline station at J16 Kiltullagh looks set to open next month. Texaco fuel rather than Topaz.

D Trent

flazio wrote: »

Any update on the online station between Athlone and Moate? Haven't seen any activity there since October.
The offline station at J16 Kiltullagh looks set to open next month. Texaco fuel rather than Topaz.

Moate/Athlone MSA is briefly mentioned here aswell. Three MSA's in limbo because of the judicial review/courts
Kilcullen being the third one


http://m.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/news/empty-m11-rest-stop-costs-16k-a-month-34378667.html

Geogregor

In Poland the road authority only builds parking lots and slip roads, and reserves space for filling station and restaurants.
Then it looks for companies which build proper services.

Sometimes they can't find company which would like to build services but we have our Polish solutions :pac:

http://www.dzienniklodzki.pl/motofakty/aktualnosci/a/bar-dla-kierowcow-przy-s8-karmia-klientow-zza-plotu-zdjecia,9333961/

spacetweek

Geogregor wrote: »

Sometimes they can't find company which would like to build services but we have our Polish solutions :pac:

Why must they stay behind a fence?

Geogregor

spacetweek wrote: »

Why must they stay behind a fence?

The road authority didn't give the permission to set up on the road agency property. So, they set up the bar on the private property just outside the road authority jurisdiction.
Motorways, expressways and parking areas along them are fenced in Poland to stop the wildlife.

munchkin_utd

Geogregor wrote: »

The road authority didn't give the permission to set up on the road agency property. So, they set up the bar on the private property just outside the road authority jurisdiction.
Motorways, expressways and parking areas along them are fenced in Poland to stop the wildlife.

there was a case of this happening in Germany too somewhere in the east.
http://www.bild.de/regional/leipzig/imbissbude/aelteste-deutsche-raststaette-an-der-a9-vor-dem-aus-36502074.bild.html

spoilsport officials have tried to ban it but they struggle on. Worse still, its the oldest motorway service station (built in the 1920s, opened as a motorway station on 20. December 1936), but it was fenced off in 2004 after a widening of the motorway.
http://www.hermsdorf-regional.de/autobahn-rasthof/raststaetten/rodaborn/

Geogregor

I was digging into the Rathimorissy services idea and found this thing:

Rathmorissy services 3 proposed sites by Geogregor*, on Flickr

It seems that building services at the junction is still an option. Is that true?

Let's say yes. How they can make it accessible from the roundabout while they have designated left turning slips:

Rathmorissy Junnction services proposal by Geogregor*, on Flickr
I guess the only option would be underpass or overpass over that slip road.

The images are in the PDF rom Galway County Council website:
http://www.galway.ie/en/services/roads/roadsprojects/m6servicearea/

marno21

No point in building a service area there without the GCOB. It's far too close to the city, and secondly the M18 service station under construction and the almost open station at J16 on the M6.

Also tacking it on to Rathmorrissey would be ridiculous as it would stifle opportunities for expanding the junction if it ever becomes over-capacity

spacetweek

marno21 wrote: »

secondly the M18 service station under construction

Where is there an M18 service area under construction?

Carawaystick

The existance of existing service area's has not stopped the tii from building their own ones with our money.

The M1 Lusk service area is 2km from the existing applegreen at J5

The new unopened area between Moate and Athlone is only a few km from Athlone, with Kilmartins, and the Applegreen @ B&Q

There is now to be a service area between Pat Mcdonaghs one and Galway on the M6

Is there any TII one on the M8 at all?

Reuben1210

Carawaystick wrote: »

The existance of existing service area's has not stopped the tii from building their own ones with our money.

The M1 Lusk service area is 2km from the existing applegreen at J5

The new unopened area between Moate and Athlone is only a few km from Athlone, with Kilmartins, and the Applegreen @ B&Q

There is now to be a service area between Pat Mcdonaghs one and Galway on the M6

Is there any TII one on the M8 at all?

There has been some duplication and waste by TII/NRA, but in general, theseareas are directly accessible from the motorways and have great facilities, and stop rat-run and wasted driving time going into towns to find services.

BoatMad

anyone know of any progress on the M11 at South Gorey, I thought the case was to be fas-ttracked in the commercial court, presumably this case is now holding up the other two stations associated with it

D Trent

Carawaystick wrote: »

The existance of existing service area's has not stopped the tii from building their own ones with our money.

The M1 Lusk service area is 2km from the existing applegreen at J5

Was Applegreen Balbriggan off J5 not built after the NRA MSA ones ?

Carawaystick

D Trent wrote: »

Was Applegreen Balbriggan off J5 not built after the NRA MSA ones ?

Nope.
the IT says the nra msa opened in Sept2010
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/out-of-services-1.651168

the Applegreen on the r132 was open in 2008

Sabre roads confirms this
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Balbriggan_services

D Trent

Site selected for M6

http://galwaybayfm.ie/step-forward-for-controversial-motorway-service-station-between-athenry-and-oranmore/

Reuben1210

D Trent wrote: »

Site selected for M6

http://galwaybayfm.ie/step-forward-for-controversial-motorway-service-station-between-athenry-and-oranmore/

Pity.
IMO should definitely been built at the junction with M18/M17 to be viable.

annfield1978

www.t4msa.ie

marno21

annfield1978 wrote: »

www.t4msa.ie

If I were the TII I would be more concerned with getting the already built service stations open than opening more on empty motorways. The level of traffic on the M18 at night is tiny, and the M3 is a commuter motorway, which may not need services as bad as other motorways.

Carawaystick

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Pity.
IMO should definitely been built at the junction with M18/M17 to be viable.

Because a poorly designed motorway junction would be better served with a service area to make it worse :rolleyes:

Reuben1210

Carawaystick wrote: »

Because a poorly designed motorway junction would be better served with a service area to make it worse :rolleyes:

I'm sure they could design it for minimal impact on traffic flow, especially given that traffic volumes won't reach design peak for a decade anyway.

Pete_Cavan

Ah here, this trench 4 is a joke. I would be surprised if anyone would even agree to build and operate these without an income guarantee, such is the level of traffic on these roads. The one on the M6 might be viable if it served both the M6 and M17/18, otherwise it is too close to Galway for it to be worth stopping. The same can be said about M3, no point in stopping after Dunshaughlin and a service station is being built around Mulhuddart after the motorway ends. You could also argue that these will make the roads less safe, there are enough junctions on them without squeezing in another.

Chris_5339762

STILL no official M8 one.

D Trent

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

STILL no official M8 one.

Listening to 2fm and Today fm nearly all day this week and one of the most prominent ads on then stations are one for Topaz/Supermac's Ballacolla J3

Obviously aren't doing as well as predicted or as they'd like

marno21

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

STILL no official M8 one.

Or an official M7 one. Which we could do with seeing as how busy the one at J14 always is.

flazio

marno21 wrote: »

Or an official M7 one. Which we could do with seeing as how busy the one at J14 always is.

Other offline are available at J23 and J27.

marno21

flazio wrote: »

Other offline are available at J23 and J27.

Offline on M8 available at J18, J14, J8 and J3 on the M8 too.