Irish Times reports that all pistols are to be banned

Grizzly 45

:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:...Macnas..Do you reside in Killnascully,or Craggy Island ?????:D:D LOL
That sounds like somthing from a Pat Shortt/Dermott Morgan script.

Jonty

macnas wrote: »

Got a phone call this morning from a local TD, he was replying to my email about 'fire alarms', had to laugh.

As an auld fella once said to me "Typical politician. Driving around in a big feckin car with his thumb up his h0le and his brain in neutral!"

It wasn't me!

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:...Macnas..Do you reside in Killnascully,or Craggy Island ?????:D:D LOL
That sounds like somthing from a Pat Shortt/Dermott Morgan script.

You laugh now, but the same thing has happened to DURC shooters going abroad at the airport.

Grizzly 45

Funnily enough ,we were asking about what kind of pistols were stolen here on this thread and Hey Bisto.. Up comes an article to day in the Irish Independant,stating that it is a Glock[of course!!:rolleyes:]"the gangstas favourite weapon. Along with a Breatta semi auto pistol,[sic]and two Webley revolvers,along with "revolvers"air pistols and starting pistols.And this all in four years since the liscensing was introduced.

The rest of the article sounds like Tony Brady ,security corrospondent had abit too much Xmas cheer while writing this.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Intresting enough that the Gardai/DOJ/Minister for Justice in the Dail are/were unable to provide these stats,now Mr Brady can reveal all?? Who has been telling tales out of class???;)

[Yo fellow homie Glock ownas out there..Ya all goin to go pop some caps in some muthafuka target papers ass dis year????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



www.independent.ie/national-news/criminals-targeting-owners-of-legal-guns-1589267.html

chem

I give up! I realy do. The biggest danger in this sport is the government and the law. Not the flying lead.

I put one foot out of line. Have 101 rounds and only ment to have 100 and im up on firearms offences. How will that look on any background check for a new job? Mmmm firearms offence? Rob a bank did we Mr. Chem?

Face it folks. This government wont be happy until they drive shooting sports back to the 70s-80s here. When only the terrorists had guns here

Kramer

A total of 1,600 pistol licences were granted by the courts last year

Unbelieveable bull**** there from the "security expert" :rolleyes:
Not looking good, not looking good at all .

macnas

Every party seems to have its own lackie journalists, government sponspored dipso hacks, writing their stories in the Dail bar.:mad:

sfakiaman

So it looks like only one real pistol stolen per year according to the Indo.

Also noticed in the Irish Times today that homicides for 2008 fell by 40% against 2007. Sorry don't know how to post link, still in luddite mode.

Rovi

sfakiaman wrote: »

Also noticed in the Irish Times today that homicides for 2008 fell by 40% against 2007. Sorry don't know how to post link, still in luddite mode.

Here we go-
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0102/1230842350568.html

Grizzly 45

Kramer wrote: »

Unbelieveable bull**** there from the "security expert" :rolleyes:
Not looking good, not looking good at all .

Hmmm, seems that it is a case of Tweedledum or Tweedledee with "security experts " in both the Irish Times and Indo when it comes to anything related to gunownership in Ireland.:rolleyes::(

Bananaman

VERY interesting that, according to that article, there seems to have only been

4

fullbore pistols and revolvers stolen since they were again licensable in the state.

Two Webleys a BAP and of course a Glock.

Add 27 starter pistols to that and we are starting get to the bottom of these stats.

Again I would guess that private Helicopters are ahead of Fullbore Pistols in the crime stats on that one.

B'Man

Grizzly 45

A BAP???

jwshooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

A BAP???

BAP !.. Browning Automatic Pistol :rolleyes:

Bananaman

Sorry - it said beretta - my bad - thought it said browning

B'Man

wyk

Here in the US (I am back in Texas after spending some time in Ireland) we have to constantly fight for the right of law-abiding citizens to retain ownership of our weapons. And this with a very powerful law written in plain English into our Constitution that was sewn into the American tapestry when the English oppression was fresh in their minds. I expect the worse is yet to come in Ireland - first handguns, then rifles and shotguns. In my time in Ireland I got the feeling that the people in charge, as well as folks who are voting, have long forgotten the true cause of 'the troubles' and the freedom they once had from tyranny. It didn't take long for the Irish government to fill the English thug boots left behind not so long ago. Expect more taxes, more laws, and less freedom every day of your life from here on out.

WYK

Sikamick

wyk wrote: »

Here in the US (I am back in Texas after spending some time in Ireland) we have to constantly fight for the right of law-abiding citizens to retain ownership of our weapons. And this with a very powerful law written in plain English into our Constitution that was sewn into the American tapestry when the English oppression was fresh in their minds. I expect the worse is yet to come in Ireland - first handguns, then rifles and shotguns. In my time in Ireland I got the feeling that the people in charge, as well as folks who are voting, have long forgotten the true cause of 'the troubles' and the freedom they once had from tyranny. It didn't take long for the Irish government to fill the English thug boots left behind not so long ago. Expect more taxes, more laws, and less freedom every day of your life from here on out.

WYK

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WYK You have hit the nail on the head about freedom, the latest is the anti smoking groups want a ban on smoking in privately owned cars. WHAT NEXT.

Sikamick

CJhaughey

Looking at the Ministers statement at the time he said that banning other firearms would have to be looked at as well.
I take this very seriously as anglophone countries are quietly removing guns from civilian ownership.
Australia, and the UK have some of the most restrictive gun laws now, why?
It seems as though the governments have a kind of vendetta against private firearm ownership.

Bananaman

Lads,

If we want to discuss the haves and have nots and what the downtrodden proliteriat feel lets take it over to politics.

It is not helpful to discuss the US consitutional right to own a firearm - it has no bearing here, however, it is one of the arguments that the DOJ are using to frighten the public to justify their actions.

On the matter of the upcoming restrictions to handgun licensing. I think it has been very informative to see the statistics that have come out under direct questioning of the Minister. I don't think there has been any retisence to publish them but they do highlight that there is smoke without fire

I think it is important that the other members of the Oireachtas understand what the target pistol shooting sports are (including the Olympic ones before anyone says anything) so that when any restrictions are proposed that they will be debated properly rather than "vote for it coz I say so" or "sure we'll leave the Olympic stuff in place - that'll keep em happy".

We need the Dail or indeed the Seanad to question the need and value of any changes that come down the line and to debate them. Sure there will be horse trading but it has to be said that Lisbon is the great Horse fair in the sky and we should capitalise on that.

They need to know that the statement that "this will not affect the majority of shooters" is seen for the soundbite it is and that if they do not question the restrictions when they come beforet he house that they will face difficult questioning on it on the hustings.

I know the FCP is supposed to bedoing this but the Minister has as good as dismissed them with his "they are only consultative, I do not forsee any reports" i.e. he is not going to listen to anything they have to say and they are not listening to anything we have to say.

B'Man

wyk

Bananaman wrote: »

Lads,

It is not helpful to discuss the US consitutional right to own a firearm - it has no bearing here, however, it is one of the arguments that the DOJ are using to frighten the public to justify their actions.

It makes perfect sense. Here you have a law, literally written in stone, with millions of dollars from the gun lobby year after year poured into opposing anti-gun laws and still the politicians do their best to destroy it. There, in Ireland, you have no such law. So what will become of your gun ownership? Well, the same thing that happened, or will happen, to everything else you cherished - legislated or nearly taxed out of existence. I meant it as a warning that your firearms ownership are not just endangered - they are nearly guaranteed to be gone.

I think it is important that the other members of the Oireachtas understand what the target pistol shooting sports are (including the Olympic ones before anyone says anything) so that when any restrictions are proposed that they will be debated properly rather than "vote for it coz I say so" or "sure we'll leave the Olympic stuff in place - that'll keep em happy".

We need the Dail or indeed the Seanad to question the need and value of any changes that come down the line and to debate them. Sure there will be horse trading but it has to be said that Lisbon is the great Horse fair in the sky and we should capitalise on that.

You expect too much of your representatives, and the voting public. Lisbon might have removed some freedoms from your legislators(which, looking at their performance, was not necessarily a drawback), and it nearly guaranteed some of the oppressive Irish taxes would have been lowered and made more in line with the rest of the EU. But how many politicians and voters thought that way? And this is a treaty that was nearly guaranteed to put money in the pocket of your average Irish citizen. Now, look at the gun laws - of what benefit are guns to the average Irish citizen? How well will your supporters articulate this to the public and to the politicians?

Yeah, kiss your guns goodbye.

They need to know that the statement that "this will not affect the majority of shooters" is seen for the soundbite it is and that if they do not question the restrictions when they come beforet he house that they will face difficult questioning on it on the hustings.

But, is it a soundbite? How many Irish shooters shoot pistol VS shotgun or rifle? What % of the population shoot VS what % of the population are shot, or the victim of violent crime? That is the sort of thing you will be hearing them discuss. Good luck fighting it. You DO have a gun lobby to help you fight right? Uh...

Grizzly 45

WYK,
While agreeing with you 100% on the 2nd amendment rights,and being an US citizen living here.
You have to realise that we dont have the 2nd amendment rights here,and that our Minister for [in]justice is using this "Well look at the gun mad USA and how many deaths there are there.Do you want a society like that in Ireland??" I know it is BS,you know it is BS,we all know it is BS.But how many Joe Shmoe's out in Ireland or the EU know any different??They get their info from the TV and Hollywood,on how bad the US is on gun ownership.The average person who doesnt know any better would think you stroll into a 711 store,buy your gun and off you go.:rolleyes:.
Plus it is against this forums charter to discuss RTKBA or 2nd amendment rights.
Hence the reason we try and avoid comparsions with the US.
Plus it is like trying to compare a mouse to a dinosaur.You have over 150millionappx regd handguns,appx 350 million longarms in the citizens hands[late 80s stats].Which is more firepower than the Red Chinese can mobilise in their entitre army.

We have 200,000 regd long arms appx ,and 1,250 hand guns. About what is transferred within AZ,CA and NV per day in ownership.
So simply there is no comparision.

A gun lobby....sure maybe .Hardly NRA membership figures when you compare to our actual ownership.Remember it could be smaller too.As our firearms are regd and liscensed but not to the owner.So we are counting actual guns,not gunowners.As folks might own two or more guns.

wyk

My post has nothing to do with US 2nd amendment rights. I do realise we have none in Ireland - THAT is the meaning of the post.

I am basically stating the obvious - you have few rights, and no gun rights, thus, expect the rights you do not have to stop existing in law sooner or later unless something changes - because even when those rights are written in stone, you must fight for them every day regardless. You might not enjoy arguing 2nd amendment rights on this forum, but you would do well to learn from them, or the lack thereof, before it's too late. Because if you don't, this forum will eventually cease to be a forum anymore.

It's really more an observation than anything. I spent a lot of time in Ireland, and some in several other countries in Europe. I went thinking that maybe socialism had something to offer, maybe Europe had blossomed into it's own once again. All I can say is, I have another year left on my visa in Ireland, and a GF in England - yet I am back here in Texas without any plans to return anytime soon.

WYK

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

WYK,
While agreeing with you 100% on the 2nd amendment rights,and being an US citizen living here.
You have to realise that we dont have the 2nd amendment rights here,and that our Minister for [in]justice is using this "Well look at the gun mad USA and how many deaths there are there.Do you want a society like that in Ireland??" I know it is BS,you know it is BS,we all know it is BS.But how many Joe Shmoe's out in Ireland or the EU know any different??They get their info from the TV and Hollywood,on how bad the US is on gun ownership.The average person who doesnt know any better would think you stroll into a 711 store,buy your gun and off you go.:rolleyes:.
Plus it is against this forums charter to discuss RTKBA or 2nd amendment rights.
Hence the reason we try and avoid comparsions with the US.
Plus it is like trying to compare a mouse to a dinosaur.You have over 150millionappx regd handguns,appx 350 million longarms in the citizens hands[late 80s stats].Which is more firepower than the Red Chinese can mobilise in their entitre army.

We have 200,000 regd long arms appx ,and 1,250 hand guns. About what is transferred within AZ,CA and NV per day in ownership.
So simply there is no comparision.

A gun lobby....sure maybe .Hardly NRA membership figures when you compare to our actual ownership.Remember it could be smaller too.As our firearms are regd and liscensed but not to the owner.So we are counting actual guns,not gunowners.As folks might own two or more guns.

Grizzly 45

wyk wrote: »

My post has nothing to do with US 2nd amendment rights. I do realise we have none in Ireland - THAT is the meaning of the post.

I am basically stating the obvious - you have few rights, and no gun rights, thus, expect the rights you do not have to stop existing in law sooner or later unless something changes - because even when those rights are written in stone, you must fight for them every day regardless

Oh we didnt notice this!!!:rolleyes:.
Whaddya think we are doing with what limited resources,limited shooting pouplation,and forces against us???
Unfortunatly over here the RTKBA IS about hunting ducks!!:(

You might not enjoy arguing 2nd amendment rights on this forum, but you would do well to learn from them, or the lack thereof, before it's too late.

Yeah,and exactly what are supposed to do to ensure that we have a constitutional RTKBA written into our constitution??
Cos quite frankly,we would be the second country in the world bar the US to have such.
Nor can I see anyone marching on Dublin to demand such a change.It is a totally alien concept to the European mindset.

It's really more an observation than anything. I spent a lot of time in Ireland, and some in several other countries in Europe. I went thinking that maybe socialism had something to offer, maybe Europe had blossomed into it's own once again.

Dont worry,you are going to get plenty of socialism and gun control battles back home in the US ,as soon as Barrack Obama &Co get up and running.:(

All I can say is, I have another year left on my visa in Ireland, and a GF in England - yet I am back here in Texas without any plans to return anytime soon.

Wouldn't blame you quite frankly.:rolleyes:

chem

We have no rights for anything here. Apart from food and water. Government can ban anything they like here. Its in the law.

I often think to myself, if there has been any laws passed in the past 10yrs here. That has given us more rights or freedoms? I cant think of any!

As for facts and figures. Questions to the minister etc..... Whats the point of asking them if none is going to beat the minister for justice with them round the head? All I hear is questions been asked but notting been debated or action been taken Again where are our governing bodies??????????

I might join the Gardai, because then I might be allowed to own a firearm in our future police state

shqipshume

Ok i have a Question what the hell do Irish need Hand guns for?

Good take em all :mad:

Its not like when my grandad had his shot gun in the house and most Irish did.They had them for reason.Its not like when ur dad or Grandad took you down the field shooting with his rifle or shot gun.

Hand guns are for Police and gangsters

wyk

And what happens when there's more gangsters than police...

shqipshume wrote: »

Ok i have a Question what the hell do Irish need Hand guns for?

Good take em all :mad:

Its not like when my grandad had his shot gun in the house and most Irish did.They had them for reason.Its not like when ur dad or Grandad took you down the field shooting with his rifle or shot gun.

Hand guns are for Police and gangsters

shqipshume

wyk wrote: »

And what happens when there's more gangsters than police...

If they pass that law in full just means the gangsters wont have guns
Use your noggin:)

jwshooter

firearm ownership in ireland should be a privilege not a right .if the members of the irish shooting public cant behave there selves with there firearms take them away from them ,its a no brain-er .this was always going to come to a head .i know ,we all know scum bags that have firearm s .the cops had not the power to say no now they have or will have .there after getting there noses rubbed in for the last 4 years now its pay back time .i spent all last nite trying to stop lads shooting stags along the road ,we lost 3 stags in the last two nites .i would love to see these baxxxxds lose the guns .we can not govern ourseleves so some one has to

preilly79

shqipshume wrote: »

If they pass that law in full just means the gangsters wont have guns
Use your noggin:)

And you believe gangsters only use legally held firearms?

shqipshume

preilly79 wrote: »

And you believe gangsters only use legally held firearms?

Ofc they do just means more jail time for them when they hold them without a licence. Ireland needs crack down before we turn into USA

Bananaman

If they pass that law in full just means the gangsters wont have guns
Use your noggin

Sometimes I wonder ........

The only laws that affect the gangsters are already in place - they simply need to be enforced - the Garda Commissioner has already said he does not need any new legislation in order to combat these crimes - he simply needs more Gardai and people to testify against the scumbags in court.

Legal handgun ownership is only for sport and has no association whatsoever with ANY crime statistic. Removing it will only abolish a range of sports and will have no other effect whatsoever.

This has been proven in Britain where they have experiemnetd with this for 10 years and it has been an abject failure..

B'Man