TV's with MPEG4 DTT decoder

Mr McBoatface

Machinehead wrote: »

Thank you for clarifying the MPEG/MHEG issue . Once again regarding the specs for the Panasonic D25 http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66220487&postcount=1724, can you have a look to acertain if this tv will be able to access the digital txt to which MHEG5 refers.

It should be fine for viewing but without the Saorview logo I couldn't say it will work 100% on all features like text or red button functions. No Logo = a risk you'd have to weigh up yourself.

It's UK free-sat HD and free-view compatible - http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-l42d25-tx-l42d25b-20100430437.htm. MHEG5 is used in UK free-view and free-sat.

Sam Russell

Machinehead wrote: »

Thank you for clarifying the MPEG/MHEG issue . Once again regarding the specs for the Panasonic D25 http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66220487&postcount=1724, can you have a look to acertain if this tv will be able to access the digital txt to which MHEG5 refers.

If RTENL do go with DVB-T2, you will need a STB, but as has been said, the T2 was a typo. So presumably DVB T is OK, and if it does not say Freeview HD, it can be assumed it is not T2.

If you want to get Freesat, you have to set your TV country to GB, otherwise you will get FTA Sat. If you set your TV to GB, then any specific SAORview settings will be lost, as they will only come into play if the country is Ireland.

If you need SAORview you cannot get FREESAT.

martian1980

Sam Russell wrote: »

If RTENL do go with DVB-T2, you will need a STB, but as has been said, the T2 was a typo. So presumably DVB T is OK, and if it does not say Freeview HD, it can be assumed it is not T2.

If you want to get Freesat, you have to set your TV country to GB, otherwise you will get FTA Sat. If you set your TV to GB, then any specific SAORview settings will be lost, as they will only come into play if the country is Ireland.

If you need SAORview you cannot get FREESAT.

Is this true of all tvs with freeview, freesat and (kinda) MPEG4, like the sony 32W5810? If so, is there a huge difference between FTA Sat and FreesatHD?

mollser

Just adding this to the list...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-SM2333HD-1080p-Monitor-Digital/dp/B001PN68HU

Bought this baby in Curry's for €269. I think I set it to UK settings for the auto set up, and not only did it sort the Irish DTT chanels on 100 to 106, but then followed another 40 or so of the Freeview UK channels (including radio) from the Presely transmitter (I assume - by the beach in Castletown, North Wexford).

Really didn't expect the UK tv channels to be picked up so well, especially after having a free to air satellite installed a week previously - doh!

Hopefully it'll pick up the Freeview HD channels as well - would be nice!

FREETV

martian1980 wrote: »

Is this true of all tvs with freeview, freesat and (kinda) MPEG4, like the sony 32W5810? If so, is there a huge difference between FTA Sat and FreesatHD?

Freesat has a full EPG guide of up to 8 days in advance and has red button interactive services. The channels that haven't joined Freesat yet have to be added manually and don't have the full EPG like FTA Sat, only now and next. HD on the Beeb, ITV, Luxe aren't true full hd, only 1440X1080i but still higher resolution than Freeview HD for example. The full EPG IS VERY CONVENIENT, no need for tv guide magazines or looking it up on the net, all in one place. For the older MPEG4 DVB T1 technology, the tv sets which are for the Irish market, i.e. the present dtt tests, as far as I know the settings functions when Ireland is selected all work fine for both.

FREETV

mollser wrote: »

Just adding this to the list...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-SM2333HD-1080p-Monitor-Digital/dp/B001PN68HU

Bought this baby in Curry's for €269. I think I set it to UK settings for the auto set up, and not only did it sort the Irish DTT chanels on 100 to 106, but then followed another 40 or so of the Freeview UK channels (including radio) from the Presely transmitter (I assume - by the beach in Castletown, North Wexford).

Really didn't expect the UK tv channels to be picked up so well, especially after having a free to air satellite installed a week previously - doh!

Hopefully it'll pick up the Freeview HD channels as well - would be nice!

Glad to hear that you have both options available to you, sure the more channels you have the better! I bet that it is a nice feeling and surprising alright for you to be able to pick up "out of territory broadcasts" completely free It's a nice little set, I wish you many years of happy tv viewing with the Samsung, I own a two year old Samsung plasma myself and never had any problems yet with it, a reliable brand.

peking97

Machinehead wrote: »

Just spoke to a Panasonic retailer who says that the Panasonic TX-P42G20 connot pick up Irish DTT as it only has an MPEG2 freeview tuner for UK & connot decode the Irish "saorview" MPEG4.

A colleague of mine just bought the TX-P46G20B from Watters Electrical in Culloville and I can confirm Freesat HD, Irish DTT and MHEG-5 teletext all working fine. HTH

kah22

Here are some of the vital stats for the Sony Bravia KDL32EX403U.
can anyone tell me if this telly will receive DTT from the Republic? I'm living in the North but currently get a powerful digital signal from my old telly hooked up to a Segam Picnic Box - but o-boy does that box play up :mad:

It will pick up digital text from Freeview, but do you know if it will pick up digital text from the Republics DTT.

3D Ready No
Audio quality S-Force Front Surround, Dolby Digital Plus
AV inputs Rear - 2 HDMI on side
Digital tuner Freeview HD
DLNA Yes
Frame rate 50Hz
Freesat built in No
Freeview HD built in Yes
Full HD 1080p Yes
FREE 5 year guarantee
HD ReadyAbility to display high-definition pictures when connected to an HD compatible device Yes
HDMI inputs 4
LED backlighting No
Memory card slot No
Model name / number KDL32EX403U
SCART sockets 2
Screen resolution 1920 x 1080p
Screen size 32"
Speaker output (RMS) 20W
Table Top Stand Included
USB ports 1
Visible screen size (measured diagonally) 81cm
Web enabled Yes

Sam Russell

martian1980 wrote: »

Is this true of all tvs with freeview, freesat and (kinda) MPEG4, like the sony 32W5810? If so, is there a huge difference between FTA Sat and FreesatHD?

Freesat is a UK-only system set up by the BBC and other UK based broadcasters to give UK viewers UK television from a satellite with 7 days epg without subscription. You have to set the country to GB and enter a UK postcode so it gives you your local TV region. If the TV is set to a country other than GB, it defaults to FTA and gives only NOW and NEXT in the EPG. The only real difference between the two is the EPG and the inability to reorder the program buttons with Freesat, but you can have a favourites list. Freesat does not include all FTA programmes, like $kynews, and these cannot be added within Freesat. Freesat allows the 'RED BUTTON' features. Or at least some of them. You can switch out of Freesat to FTA, but it is a bit clunky. I never bother, and I do not miss $kynews.

If RTE use features within the SAORview spec that are in confict with the UK country setting, then they will be excluded if you set the country to GB. It is unlikely that this will be a problem.

Freeview is simillar with set programme numbers. Freeview HD requires a DVB-T2 set, and if it does not say it on the box, it is not in the box.

I hope that clarifies it a bit.

FREETV

kah22 wrote: »

Here are some of the vital stats for the Sony Bravia KDL32EX403U.
can anyone tell me if this telly will receive DTT from the Republic? I'm living in the North but currently get a powerful digital signal from my old telly hooked up to a Segam Picnic Box - but o-boy does that box play up :mad:

It will pick up digital text from Freeview, but do you know if it will pick up digital text from the Republics DTT.

3D Ready No
Audio quality S-Force Front Surround, Dolby Digital Plus
AV inputs Rear - 2 HDMI on side
Digital tuner Freeview HD
DLNA Yes
Frame rate 50Hz
Freesat built in No
Freeview HD built in Yes
Full HD 1080p Yes
FREE 5 year guarantee
HD ReadyAbility to display high-definition pictures when connected to an HD compatible device Yes
HDMI inputs 4
LED backlighting No
Memory card slot No
Model name / number KDL32EX403U
SCART sockets 2
Screen resolution 1920 x 1080p
Screen size 32"
Speaker output (RMS) 20W
Table Top Stand Included
USB ports 1
Visible screen size (measured diagonally) 81cm
Web enabled Yes

There is a solution towards the end of the Sagem Picnic Box power thread for the box. It pixelates or breaks up frequently. We need to earth our Sagem boxes to stop the freezing. Your tv should work for Irish digital text when the digital text is being broadcast.

Sam Russell

kah22 wrote: »

Here are some of the vital stats for the Sony Bravia KDL32EX403U.
can anyone tell me if this telly will receive DTT from the Republic?

It has a MPEG4 DVB-T2 tuner, so it will pick up FREEVIEW HD, and should pickup the current tests from the republic. It is unlikely it will not work with the full service after launch, but who knows.

The Cush

kah22 wrote: »

Here are some of the vital stats for the Sony Bravia KDL32EX403U.
can anyone tell me if this telly will receive DTT from the Republic? I'm living in the North but currently get a powerful digital signal from my old telly hooked up to a Segam Picnic Box - but o-boy does that box play up :mad:

That model is also in the Sony Ireland range and so should work without problem. Its also freeview HD (DVB-T2) compatible so you should be future proofed for the launch of freeview HD in NI in approx 2 years time.

Many other DVB-T2 models are also in the Irish range of Sony TVs, any model no. ending in 3, e.g. KDL-40LX903, KDL-40NX803.

Fr0g

Sam Russell wrote: »

It has a MPEG4 DVB-T2 tuner, so it will pick up FREEVIEW HD, and should pickup the current tests from the republic. It is unlikely it will not work with the full service after launch, but who knows.

DVB-T2 is backwards compatible with DVB-T so would a "Freeview HD" set not cover all bases including future proofing if Irish DTT were ever to go DVB-T2 in the future?

Or is there something else I am missing

marclt

Hi

Has anyone got any recommendations for a 19/22" lcd which is MPEG4 compatible?

Just been to Joyces in Wexford and their selection is limited, just one Samsung at top price!

Cheers

Marc

Sam Russell

Fr0g wrote: »

DVB-T2 is backwards compatible with DVB-T so would a "Freeview HD" set not cover all bases including future proofing if Irish DTT were ever to go DVB-T2 in the future?

Or is there something else I am missing

Yes that is true. But, unbeleivably, since they have certified no sets yet, we do not know for certain if they are going to change the spec. However, if you are buying a major make, then updates are possible. The real problems come if you want Freesat AND Irish DTT, and the spec is incompatible between the GB settings and Ireland. For example, unlikely, but if Irish DTT were to go with VHF DTT. I think you are safe enough, but not certain, if you buy a Freeview HD set.

Mayo Exile

marclt wrote: »

Hi

Has anyone got any recommendations for a 19/22" lcd which is MPEG4 compatible?

Just been to Joyces in Wexford and their selection is limited, just one Samsung at top price!

Cheers

Marc

LG's LH2000 series has a 19" version. it's been mentioned here a few times. €200 at powercity. Have one myself. Find the sound can be a bit "tinny" though. other than that it does the job.

micratoyota

The Cush wrote: »

Can confirm 100% its MPEG-4 (and MHEG-5), watching it right now

Manual available here with the specs at the rear.

Got it from Peats in Dublin for €519 + delivery.

Bought the Sony for €559 in Cork City limited no. only available in 2 shops. Was away for the week so have not collected it yet. I dont understand MHEG5 what that means. If I need help tuning it in would you be willing to help. Thanks

The Cush

micratoyota wrote: »

Bought the Sony for €559 in Cork City limited no. only available in 2 shops. Was away for the week so have not collected it yet. I dont understand MHEG5 what that means. If I need help tuning it in would you be willing to help. Thanks

Tuning is straightforward and automatic on installation - FTA satellite, DTT and analogue after country selection. Didn't use the UK setting so I would be unable guide you on freesat if you were to choose that option but that should also be straightforward having installed freesat receivers previously.

PM me or post and I or others here will try to assist if you run into a problem.

MHEG5 - see this post

micratoyota

The Cush wrote: »

Tuning is straightforward and automatic on installation - FTA satellite, DTT and analogue after country selection. Didn't use the UK setting so I would be unable guide you on freesat if you were to choose that option but that should also be straightforward having installed freesat receivers previously.

PM me or post and I or others here will try to assist if you run into a problem.

MHEG5 - see this post

Chap in O'Callaghans TV said I could plug the cable from my free to air dish straight into the back without having sat. box. Is this true. I was thinking of getting an old sky box for €40 but I would love a Box that I could record the bbc's etc but I think these cost hundreds ThANKS AGAIN

The Cush

micratoyota wrote: »

Chap in O'Callaghans TV said I could plug the cable from my free to air dish straight into the back without having sat. box. Is this true.

Yes.

martian1980

In case anyone is interested, I just set up a Sony 32W5810 in Wexford town with a satellite input as well as a roof ariel pointed towards wales. I set the zone as UK, entering a London postcode. It has picked up all the freesat channels and RTE1, RTE2, TG4 and the test card for TV3 on digital. I have RTE2, TV3 and TG4 analogue.

BostonB

How much was the 32W5810

martian1980

BostonB wrote: »

How much was the 32W5810

I bought it from M&S through a mate in belfast. worked out just shy of 600 euro in the end. I only saw details of the peats offer after it had been delivered (519 euro). bit of a nuisance. Fantastic TV though

micratoyota

BostonB wrote: »

How much was the 32W5810

It is €569 in The Sony Store in Patrick St (as half price of €1099) tried to bargain with Emmett but no go. Went to O'Callaghan TV in Oliver Plunkett St CORK and got it for €559. Sony Store told me I would have to get a box to receive sat, b ut O'Callaghans said plug in cable to the back even with out being asked and I would receive Sat. straight from dish.

Machinehead

Need some help here guys! I've now got the Panasonic 42" D25 set to Irish locale. Problem is I only get now & next in DVB-S (freesat) TV guide, full EPG for Ireland DTT. I understand that I need to change my country region to UK with a relevant postcode to get DVB-S EPG, but in doing so. will I loose the DTT EPG for Ireland? Anybody any experience with this? Also is Maghera transmitting DTT on full power or is it still going out at a reduced level, I am only receiving intermittent picture just south west of Tralee. (In case you're wondering I was never able to get a signal from Mullaghanish).

STB

@ machinehead Answered below in other thread.

The Cush

Machinehead wrote: »

Need some help here guys! I've now got the Panasonic 42" D25 set to Irish locale. Problem is I only get now & next in DVB-S (freesat) TV guide, full EPG for Ireland DTT. I understand that I need to change my country region to UK with a relevant postcode to get DVB-S EPG, but in doing so. will I loose the DTT EPG for Ireland? Anybody any experience with this? Also is Maghera transmitting DTT on full power or is it still going out at a reduced level, I am only receiving intermittent picture just south west of Tralee. (In case you're wondering I was never able to get a signal from Mullaghanish).

My first guess is if you install using Ireland as the country this probably disables the freesat option and gives you the FTA satellite option only.

When you say "I only get now & next in DVB-S (freesat)" did you input a postcode on install which would give you "proper freesat" i.e. BBC1 position 101, UTV/ITV at position 103 etc. or is it FTA satellite i.e. no postcode required at install and channels all over the place.

A FTA satellite install will only give you DVB-SI Now & Next info, no freesat MHEG-5 7/8 day epg or digital text on the UK channels.

Which epg are you using for Irish DTT? The TV's own epg/guide which uses the DVB-SI data or the new Saorview MHEG-5 epg (green button).

If you change the country install to UK you will be asked to input a postcode for the region you wish to use for BBC and ITV, this will also give you the full MHEG-5 7/8 epg for freesat and digital text and red button services for the UK channels. This may (or may not) disable the 7/8 day DVB-SI epg of the Irish channels but the Irish cannels are now transmitting a test MHEG-5 epg this may work instead.

My brother's Philips TV is set to UK to receive MHEG-5 digital text on the Irish channels but up to recently was only displaying now & next info in the epg (appeared to be defaulting to the UK's MHEG-5 standard), haven't checked it recently since the Saorview MHEG-5 epg appeared.

Regarding Maghera eventhough I'm closer to it than you I cannot receive it, I use Mullaghanish - funny ol' world

STB

He has a mirror of the same question below a few thread down Cush.

The Cush wrote: »

....... Irish channels but the Irish cannels are now transmitting a test MHEG-5 epg this may work instead.

I actually dont believe this is true. I think its just header data for the logo rather than a full blown MHEG5 written EPG.

Machinehead

Problem solved! No damn UK option in setup. Hence why only the D25 series is for sale in ROI & not the G20 as well!

The Cush

STB wrote: »

He has a mirror of the same question below a few thread down Cush.

I actually dont believe this is true. I think its just header data for the logo rather than a full blown MHEG5 written EPG.

OK, double posting, didn't see the other thread. Thanks for that. I see he's only posted 26 times.

But it would be interesting to check out the MHEG-5 issue.