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Traffic-free city centres for Ireland?

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    #92
    Morgan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Morgan


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    Rubbish. Global warming doesn't exist.
    Well, SOMETHING has to explain your profuse sweating.
    Climate Expert wrote: »
    Scary irrational cyclists. Thats why you are so despised by the majoirity.

    What? People despise cyclists? Because they are scared of them? Or do they just despise flickrx?


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    #93
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    boom, lets not get little things like facts get in the way.

    Troll, troll, troll your boat...


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    #94
    Climate Expert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Climate Expert


    el tonto wrote: »
    Troll, troll, troll your boat...
    So rather than actually having a discussion you are just going to hurl abuse at me? Is it because my facts made you look silly?


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    #95
    DBCyc
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭DBCyc


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    boom, lets not get little things like facts get in the way. From Hadcrut./

    hccooling0808.jpg

    what does that graph actually mean?


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    #96
    Gavin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭Gavin


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    So rather than actually having a discussion you are just going to hurl abuse at me? Is it because my facts made you look silly?

    That's exactly what a troll would say. You lose, my cyclist hating sweat fiend friend. Begone ! Drive away on your 7 litre cyclist crushing SUV to climate heaven!


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    #97
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    So rather than actually having a discussion you are just going to hurl abuse at me? Is it because my facts made you look silly?

    Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...


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    #98
    Climate Expert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Climate Expert


    DBCyc wrote: »
    what does that graph actually mean?
    That I was correct in saying global warming doesnt exist. It just shows temp over the last 11 years, 0 being average.

    Again Verb what have I said here that would make you believe I'm a troll?


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    #99
    DirkVoodoo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,504 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    This debate might be served better in another forum.

    Climate Expert, is it not correct that the recent dip in the Hadcrut data is down to reduced solar activity, which was at an all time high during the nineties. You can't present this short term data and skew it to the point where you say "Climate change is a myth".

    If you look at your own Hadcrut data over a longer period:

    gtc2007.gif

    Granted I am no expert like you and I am sure that the number of marine vessels and land stations recording data has increased over the last 30 years compared to the 19th century.

    The fact is, the planet is getting warmer and it is man made. Short term changes in the sun cannot be used to distract from the long term manmade changes.


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    #100
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,964 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Climate Expert wrote:
    That I was correct in saying global warming doesnt exist. It just shows temp over the last 11 years, 0 being average.

    Ah, 11 years. An eternity on the geological timescale :rolleyes:


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    #101
    Morgan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Morgan


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    That I was correct in saying global warming doesnt exist. It just shows temp over the last 11 years, 0 being average.
    That little graph disproves global warming? Well, you are the self-professed expert :rolleyes:
    Climate Expert wrote: »
    Again Verb what have I said here that would make you believe I'm a troll?

    This is quite inflammatory:
    Climate Expert wrote: »
    Scary irrational cyclists. Thats why you are so despised by the majoirity.


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    #102
    Gavin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭Gavin


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    That I was correct in saying global warming doesnt exist. It just shows temp over the last 11 years, 0 being average.

    Again Verb what have I said here that would make you believe I'm a troll?

    Fortunately for me, I am highly experienced in the ways of the Internet and recognise trolls with impunity. I also know how to deal with them. I shall be putting you on my ignore list ! Goodbye !


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    #103
    Raam
    Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    Just to point out: this thread has gone from discussing baby wipes to geological time scales. Nice work lads. :)


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    #104
    Climate Expert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Climate Expert


    DirkVoodoo wrote: »
    This debate might be served better in another forum.

    Climate Expert, is it not correct that the recent dip in the Hadcrut data is down to reduced solar activity, which was at an all time high during the nineties. You can't present this short term data and skew it to the point where you say "Climate change is a myth".

    If you look at your own Hadcrut data over a longer period:

    gtc2007.gif

    Granted I am no expert like you and I am sure that the number of marine vessels and land stations recording data has increased over the last 30 years compared to the 19th century.

    The fact is, the planet is getting warmer and it is man made. Short term changes in the sun cannot be used to distract from the long term manmade changes.
    You are right, a more detailed discussion is not for here. Unfortunately I'm banned from green issues.

    That graph above has been skewed by adding ina few months at the start, otherwise the trend would have been down. The author chose 11 years as it made the graph flat, ten years would be down. You can manipulate the data to tell any story. The fact is in the last ten years co2 has gone way up but temp hasn't.


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    #105
    flickerx
    Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭flickerx


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    Rubbish. Global warming doesn't exist.

    and you call cyclists irrational.

    go for a run or something, you might sweat the idiocy out of yourself eventually.

    ugh. just the thought of someone sweating profusely simply after walking. it makes me sick to my stomach. motorists as a species are disgusting.


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    #106
    niceonetom
    Registered Users Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭niceonetom


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    Yep I'll always be a voice for reason and the mainstream...
    Climate Expert wrote: »
    In the absensce of an unbiased all knowing judge we can assume that consensus is correct.
    Climate Expert wrote: »
    Rubbish. Global warming doesn't exist.

    well, that's a relief.


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    #107
    DBCyc
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭DBCyc


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    That I was correct in saying global warming doesnt exist. It just shows temp over the last 11 years, 0 being average.

    You have shown a graph that supports your point of view, it doesn't make you correct. I'm sure that many "climate experts" would disagree with you.


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    #108
    macinalli
    Registered Users Posts: 907 ✭✭✭macinalli


    DBCyc wrote: »
    what does that graph actually mean?

    That graph means nothing as it's selective in the data it chooses. Go back 30 years and the trend is upwards. It's no coincidence that 10 warmest years on record are all post 1995.


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    #109
    Climate Expert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Climate Expert


    macinalli wrote: »
    That graph means nothing as it's selective in the data it chooses. Go back 30 years and the trend is upwards. It's no coincidence that 10 warmest years on record are all post 1995.
    It is selective as its made my a pro global warming guy. You are being selective in going back only 30 years. We can't go back to geological time scales as the data doesn't really exist before the 19th century.


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    #110
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,052 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    You are right, a more detailed discussion is not for here. Unfortunately I'm banned from green issues.

    That's really very funny.


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    #111
    DirkVoodoo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,504 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    You can manipulate the data to tell any story. The fact is in the last ten years co2 has gone way up but temp hasn't.

    You are right there, people do it all the time. But from what I have read, if you take the following simplification:

    (global_temp)=(Solar_Intensity)+(Insulating_effects of_greenhouse_gases)

    greenhouse gases are only one part of the problem, but if we continue to do nothing and ignore the problem because of changing solar output, then the naxt time (solar_intensity) goes up, so will your hadcrut chart.

    Oh, and yes to traffic free centres except buses, taxis and luas i guess


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    #112
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    Unfortunately I'm banned from green issues.

    Shocked, I tell you

    huh.jpg


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    #113
    Climate Expert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Climate Expert


    Lumen wrote: »
    That's really very funny.
    Hey, I'm a martyr for the truth. Sometimes people don't like the truth. You cyclists don't like to hear it when it comes to cars and commuting.


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    #114
    Raam
    Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    You cyclists don't like to hear it when it comes to cars and commuting.

    What is the truth there?


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    #115
    macinalli
    Registered Users Posts: 907 ✭✭✭macinalli


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    You are right, a more detailed discussion is not for here. Unfortunately I'm banned from green issues.

    Hilarious! So do you just carry this baggage from forum to forum looking for arguments?


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    #116
    Climate Expert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Climate Expert


    macinalli wrote: »
    Hilarious! So do you just carry this baggage from forum to forum looking for arguments?
    No, somebody else brought it up. I countered, they insulted me with pictures so I replied with data.

    What more should I do?


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    #117
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    macinalli wrote: »
    It's no coincidence that 10 warmest years on record are all post 1995.
    That's not true. It was shown to be an error in calculations - NASA got it wrong. Only 3 of the top ten occured since 1995.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2271629.ece


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    #118
    DirkVoodoo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,504 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    flickerx wrote: »
    motorists as a species are disgusting.

    Your comment made me think of this, introducing the 2008 Mercury Mistress



    The linky she no work! Here ya go!


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    #119
    Diarmuid
    Registered Users Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    Climate Expert wrote: »
    Hey, I'm a martyr for the truth. Sometimes people don't like the truth. You cyclists don't like to hear it when it comes to cars and commuting.

    Dude you're wasting time here! There are thousands of scientists who have spent their lives studying this and have come to a consensus who need to be told about your graph!

    Quickly, to the batmobile!


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    #120
    Climate Expert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Climate Expert


    Diarmuid wrote: »
    Dude you're wasting time here! There are thousands of scientists who have spent their lives studying this and have come to a consensus who need to be told about your graph!

    Quickly, to the batmobile!
    They are all struggling to come up with other factors to explain the lack of global warming to keep their funding going. I wouldn't put too much faith in the IPCC.


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    #121
    blorg
    Registered Users Posts: 15,989 ✭✭✭✭blorg


    Sorry, what was this thread about again?

    Climate Expert- irrespective of my belief that you are a troll you are arguing about two quite distinct things; (1) is global warming happening and if so is it man made (a question of fact, whether we know the answer or not) and (2) is cycle commuting reasonably comfortable (not a question of fact but a matter of opinion for the person doing it.)


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