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Overheal wrote: »

Miss Thaed if I have my story straight (and I like to think that I do) you reported the Original Post within a few hours, correct?

So, you reported the post, and I must assume like all of us have at some stage or another you became impatient waiting for modly intervention.

So now, indirectly (though I won't say unintentionally), you have dragged my name through the mud both here, and in The Ladies Lounge.

I would have hoped that knowing me, you might have thought to PM me about your concerns so that I might be able to go ahead and make the change myself. I wasn't out to offend anyone, and on mention of any offense would have gladly fixed it myself.

Now however, I've been called everything from mysogynistic to socially and sexually inept in this thread, and I have yet to read over the Ladies Lounge, so I don't even know what kind of malevolence awaits for me there.

You raised no objection within the thread, having posted in there several times - so it certainly wasn't a topic that was beneath you personally. That fact, coupled with this thread, your reports, other reports (may I assume they were directed there via TLL?) and the Ladies Lounge Thread all stink of childishness - in the future, feel welcome to address your concerns to me directly at some point before I log in one day to learn I am the subject of sitewide scrutiny.

You will receive no apology and I will expect none. Good Day.

Amazingly eloquently put.
You have touched my heart sir...

dr.bollocko

metrovelvet wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055399764&page=3

See post 42. Sexism and racism all rolled into one. You're going to have some words edited maybe?

Do you know how crazy boards is with its PC hypersentivity?

Ah jaysus Metro. Now we have to go and start another feedback thread because of all this Xism.

77

Overheal wrote: »

Miss Thaed if I have my story straight (and I like to think that I do) you reported the Original Post within a few hours, correct?

So, you reported the post, and I must assume like all of us have at some stage or another you became impatient waiting for modly intervention.

So now, indirectly (though I won't say unintentionally), you have dragged my name through the mud both here, and in The Ladies Lounge.

I would have hoped that knowing me, you might have thought to PM me about your concerns so that I might be able to go ahead and make the change myself. I wasn't out to offend anyone, and on mention of any offense would have gladly fixed it myself.

Now however, I've been called everything from mysogynistic to socially and sexually inept in this thread, and I have yet to read over the Ladies Lounge, so I don't even know what kind of malevolence awaits for me there.

You raised no objection within the thread, having posted in there several times - so it certainly wasn't a topic that was beneath you personally. That fact, coupled with this thread, your reports, other reports (may I assume they were directed there via TLL?) and the Ladies Lounge Thread all stink of childishness - in the future, feel welcome to address your concerns to me directly at some point before I log in one day to learn I am the subject of sitewide scrutiny.

You will receive no apology and I will expect none. Good Day.

Classic. The old remove their arguments post, leaving them floundering.

Well played Sir.

Nevyn

Overheal wrote: »

Miss Thaed if I have my story straight (and I like to think that I do) you reported the Original Post within a few hours, correct?

So, you reported the post, and I must assume like all of us have at some stage or another you became impatient waiting for modly intervention.

Yes I reported it and there was a discussion about the read in the reported posts forum which I took part in as did several other mods, which is still on going.

Overheal wrote: »

I would have hoped that knowing me, you might have thought to PM me about your concerns so that I might be able to go ahead and make the change myself. I wasn't out to offend anyone, and on mention of any offense would have gladly fixed it myself.

That I would see as abuse of what little status I have here on boards, mods are posters in other forums and I if went around pming people about posts in fora that I didn't mod then that would be wrong imho.

Overheal wrote: »

Now however, I've been called everything from mysogynistic to socially and sexually inept in this thread, and I have yet to read over the Ladies Lounge, so I don't even know what kind of malevolence awaits for me there.

If you have issue with what has been posted about you here and feel it is insulting then report it.

Honestly I think you maybe one of those who is effected by what I started the thread about in the ladies lounge that was how the cross over of porn to mainstream effects people and their perceptions. That is what that thread is about and not about having a go at you.

Overheal wrote: »

You raised no objection within the thread, having posted in there several times - so it certainly wasn't a topic that was beneath you personally. That fact, coupled with this thread, your reports, other reports (may I assume they were directed there via TLL?) and the Ladies Lounge Thread all stink of childishness - in the future, feel welcome to address your concerns to me directly at some point before I log in one day to learn I am the subject of sitewide scrutiny.

I objected to the thread title that is why I reported it, not the content of your post. If you post on a internet forum and your post gets reported or someone makes a complaint you end up being scrutinised as am I currently.
I honestly think that if we were to tot up the totals of those who you view you badly after this thread and those who view me badly you would find a lot more people who dislike me rather then you.

Overheal wrote: »

You will receive no apology and I will expect none. Good Day.

I don't want one, the fact you saw the how it's can be seen as offensive and offered to edit the thread yourself if you had of been able, this speaks of your understanding of the issue and your good character.

It is a shame that after the thread was reported none of the the AH mods saw fit to pm you about it, as it was one of them who started this thread and not I.

Nerin

Overheal wrote: »

Miss Thaed if I have my story straight (and I like to think that I do) you reported the Original Post within a few hours, correct?

So, you reported the post, and I must assume like all of us have at some stage or another you became impatient waiting for modly intervention.

So now, indirectly (though I won't say unintentionally), you have dragged my name through the mud both here, and in The Ladies Lounge.

I would have hoped that knowing me, you might have thought to PM me about your concerns so that I might be able to go ahead and make the change myself. I wasn't out to offend anyone, and on mention of any offense would have gladly fixed it myself.

Now however, I've been called everything from mysogynistic to socially and sexually inept in this thread, and I have yet to read over the Ladies Lounge, so I don't even know what kind of malevolence awaits for me there.

You raised no objection within the thread, having posted in there several times - so it certainly wasn't a topic that was beneath you personally. That fact, coupled with this thread, your reports, other reports (may I assume they were directed there via TLL?) and the Ladies Lounge Thread all stink of childishness - in the future, feel welcome to address your concerns to me directly at some point before I log in one day to learn I am the subject of sitewide scrutiny.

You will receive no apology and I will expect none. Good Day.

giving out about a thread,on that thread,is not how one should complain. Starting a discussion,because of points raised on another thread is not unheard of (you've been around long enough to know these points btw). Pming a user and giving out to them isn't on either. You report the post ,which she did. And we discussed it in the mod forum,just us mods,with a similar division on opinions,like on feedback. Karoma was the one who brought it up on feedback. As for tLL thread,that actually was an interesting and more interesting discussion than one that can be had on AH,its hard to have a serious discussion wit YORE MA taking up so much eye space.

Earthhorse

metrovelvet wrote: »

Do you know how crazy boards is with its PC hypersentivity?

On a scale of one to ten just how crazy would you say boards is with its PC hypersensitivity?

metrovelvet

Earthhorse wrote: »

On a scale of one to ten just how crazy would you say boards is with its PC hypersensitivity?

Hard to answer that because it's all over the place with some things and then it's like living in a convent with others...

I think editing/locking a post because of an accusation it's offensive ..... just so ... pussy

Ive said this before ...if boards keeps this up zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........................................................

Earthhorse

metrovelvet wrote: »

Ive said this before ...if boards keeps this up

There is nothing to keep up. It was always thus.

metrovelvet wrote: »

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........................................................

Rating your post a 10 by the way.

Macha

metrovelvet wrote: »

Ive said this before ...if boards keeps this up zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........................................................

It's a shame that you need posts that have been deemed derogatory to keep you awake.

Karoma

The sum of this thread is close to what runs through my mind when I'm deciding on a thread. It's a lot of chatter and not very clear what the outcome should be, but seeing all sides of the argument quite clearly and even strongly. I thought I would open it up to others and see if anything I missed is contributed or expanded upon. That, and I can blame you now.
Yes, the outcome of the thread sets a precedent. However, there are no boards laws, so don't expect the same outcome each time.

Personally, I found the thread offensive, but was confustulated by the fact that it wasn't reported or bitched complained about with only one exception. We try to moderate as a jury (Even if it is a jury of one) - by conjuring up a sane, normal, average citizen and their assumed response. The one exception didn't meet that description (No offence. I don't either, hence the conjuring act.)
As for the poll, Beru, it was posted to gauge roughly whether other people were offended. I haven't really bothered (and won't) to look at the other results; they're just for show. I am interested in why people didn't report it.

I want to gauge where the line is on this one. It needed more opinions than that of a handful of male AH moderators. It needed more than a handful of boards.ie moderators. The decision on what is and isn't acceptable in some cases should be called by the users. As such, this thread was created in a forum beyond the control of moderators and where everyone can partake at a more even level. It succeeded in that respect.
As for the one or two 'mod conspiracy' and 'male conspiracy' comments: Back them up, timewasters.

metrovelvet

taconnol wrote: »

It's a shame that you need posts that have been deemed derogatory to keep you awake.

That is not what I meant at all. Let me be clearer. If more and more people are censored or asked to edit because a few find something offensive, or even one moderator does, then you will eventually have a very monotonous series of discussions, not only because they will all be sanitised but because contributors will be afraid of posting anything that might seem untoward, after all guaging someone else's sensitivity is not always on target. I have already had one pm from a politics [where I am permanently banned btw] poster saying he's afraid to post there because it's like walking a tightrope.

metrovelvet

Karoma wrote: »

The sum of this thread is close to what runs through my mind when I'm deciding on a thread. It's a lot of chatter and not very clear what the outcome should be. I thought I would open it up to others and see if anything I missed is contributed or expanded upon. That, and I can blame you now.
Yes, the outcome of the thread sets a precedent. However, there are no boards laws, so don't expect the same outcome each time.

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What you could do is have a forum for offensive threads. Call it The Gutter. Have a dislclaimer like the one I posted earlier.

Nevyn

metrovelvet wrote: »

What you could do is have a forum for offensive threads. Call it The Gutter. Have a dislclaimer like the one I posted earlier.

There are two one public and one restricted.
The thunderdrome and lollercost.

Karoma

metrovelvet wrote: »

What you could do is have a forum for offensive threads. Call it The Gutter. Have a dislclaimer like the one I posted earlier.

We have one, it's After Hours. It doesn't mean it's a free-for-all where no rules of decency apply or Irish law. Posters are interacting with each other. They have different ideas and sensibilities. If you want to pop your own copy of vBulletin or whatever up on to the web and fill it with like-minded people who think the same as you and enjoy the same sick jokes and whatever else floats your boat, go right ahead. It'll be a small club. It'll be a nasty and boring club. It'll be a nChan clone. That's not boards.ie. Take it or leave it.*


There are one or two exceptions to an extent in private fora. They still have rules of interaction, and sadly they do sometimes feel like a sad little hate-filled club.

metrovelvet

Thaedydal wrote: »

There are two one public and one private.

What are the public ones? Why wasnt the thread just moved to that one?

Nevyn

As the AH mods it was thier call.

dr.bollocko

metrovelvet wrote: »

What are the public ones? Why wasnt the thread just moved to that one?

Cos it ain't a dumping ground for offensive threads no mo'.

metrovelvet

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Cos it ain't a dumping ground for offensive threads no mo'.

Ok so there is no longer a forum for lewd threads? WHat forum is this btw?

Macha

metrovelvet wrote: »

That is not what I meant at all. Let me be clearer. If more and more people are censored or asked to edit because a few find something offensive, or even one moderator does, then you will eventually have a very monotonous series of discussions, not only because they will all be sanitised but because contributors will be afraid of posting anything that might seem untoward, after all guaging someone else's sensitivity is not always on target. I have already had one pm from a politics [where I am permanently banned btw] poster saying he's afraid to post there because it's like walking a tightrope.

OK yeah, look I take your point. But there does have to be a theoretical line drawn in the sand, even if that line is a little bit wobbly and loops around a bit.

Your friend may be afraid to post in Politics because it's like walking a tightrope but sometimes I'm afraid to post in AH because it's like walking on burning coals of hatred and spite.

Earthhorse

Karoma wrote: »

I am interested in why people didn't report it.

Personally, I wouldn't have bothered reporting the post because it just wasn't offensive enough damnit!

But if I can speculate as to the real reason I think it's because most people assume a report of a borderline post like that won't be acted upon or taken seriously. I'm not saying they're right but I think that's their perception. They might be having a problem separating AH users and content from AH moderators.

metrovelvet wrote: »

That is not what I meant at all. Let me be clearer. If more and more people are censored or asked to edit because a few find something offensive, or even one moderator does, then you will eventually have a very monotonous series of discussions, not only because they will all be sanitised but because contributors will be afraid of posting anything that might seem untoward, after all guaging someone else's sensitivity is not always on target. I have already had one pm from a politics [where I am permanently banned btw] poster saying he's afraid to post there because it's like walking a tightrope.

The other extreme is that you let people post anything and get inundated by a sea of inane crap. People won't bother posting anything interesting because it'll just be lost in a flood of easy, catchphrase, cop-out responses. AH is pretty flexible in terms of what it allows and editing out a word is not a big deal, nor does it set us down the road toward the scenario you describe.

Karoma

Earthhorse wrote: »

But if I can speculate as to the real reason I think it's because most people assume a report of a borderline post like that won't be acted upon or taken seriously. I'm not saying they're right but I think that's their perception.

I bet they don't vote either. Damn scallywags.

They might be having a problem separating AH users and content from AH moderators.

:pac:
I am so sick of people quite wrongly assuming that I'm a homophobic misogynistic Nazi homophobe. It's only half true. Bastards.

Earthhorse

Karoma wrote: »

I bet they don't vote either. Damn scallywags.

You mean in polls? I'll get round to it, I swear!

Karoma wrote: »

I am so sick of people quite wrongly assuming that I'm a homophobic misogynistic Nazi homophobe. It's only half true.

Yes. But which half? :eek:

Karoma wrote: »

Bastards.

You better believe I'm reporting that.

Dudess

Earthhorse wrote: »

Yes. But which half? :eek:

I'm guessing homophobic homophobe... :mad:

Talliesin

Blatantly, clearly and directly misogynistic.

Dinter

Thaedydal wrote: »

I honestly think that if we were to tot up the totals of those who view you badly after this thread and those who view me badly you would find a lot more people who dislike me rather then you.

I wouldn't worry Thaedydal. With the benefit of my enormous 10 months experience of boards I've come to the following conclusion. Would people really change their opinions of someone because they don't have the same sense of humour or, shock horror, are offended by something about which they're not?

Tbh every poster is granted the ability of being able to report a post that they don't disagree with or find upsetting. Fair enough nothing may happen immediately because it doesn't seem justified or it doesn't seem like a huge issue but that is decided on a case by case basis by the mods who are chosen to do it. If the mods are constantly second guessed and not allowed free rein to interpret the various charters as they see fit they might as well be gotten rid off. Whether or not action is taken people should be allowed to express their disapproval of something.

No more than putting up one post you later think better of, could change people's opinions I don't see how anyone could think that reporting a post somehow changes the person who does it either. So whether you're pro or anti a point, arguing it shouldn't lead to people being vilified for it. Boards would be a very drab and dreary place if everyone held the same opinions or was afraid to express differing ones, and that shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Especially this year when I'm trying to cut 1% off my productivity in work. I need the controversy, goddamn it!

Crash

Simple fact is, AH has the wobbliest line in the sand ever. It does exist, but I fail to see the point where we draw a line purely on what words a user posts as opposed to the ideas they represent. as in, a user won't necessarily get banned for posting on how he dislikes all black people, but if he says nigger he'll be out in his arse in two minutes. This thread is essentially an AH thread cloaked in a feedback threads skin, it reveals nothing of the points, the arguments, or the simple fact that AH categorises everything thats wrong about every society by allowing a vent for the most racist, xenophobic, sexist crap. So here's the crux of the issue, should you be allowed rein in one aspect of said fora over all others, simply because one or two shout louder?

Posts on AH cross my offensive line at a rate of about 10 posts a day when reading - how do we deal with this? This is one case among thousands, its just a simple fact that in this situation Thaed shouted louder than most. I disagree with how she went about it, but it doesnt change the fact that either we allow AH to be generally an offensive place, or we change it. It really can't be one or the other IMO.

Overheal

Thaedydal wrote: »

That I would see as abuse of what little status I have here on boards, mods are posters in other forums and I if went around pming people about posts in fora that I didn't mod then that would be wrong imho.

Fair enough. But what I mean is like, say a poster I know well enough - lets say Nerin - made an offensive comment or title that irked me to the point of expanding the conversation in 3 other forums (2 public 1 restricted) I might consider it prudent to PM Nerin and say Hey: you don't think that comment was a little Over The Top? It didn't sit well with me... and knowing Nerin he'd probably grant it its due consideration. Sometimes its ok to Pull Favors, you dont always have to Pull Rank.

If you have issue with what has been posted about you here and feel it is insulting then report it.

And I have. The one post which stepped over the line I felt came from a most unexpected source

Honestly I think you maybe one of those who is effected by what I started the thread about in the ladies lounge that was how the cross over of porn to mainstream effects people and their perceptions. That is what that thread is about and not about having a go at you.

It was the first half of that original post that concerns the issue, not the remainder. It brings up my thread and all but invites any frequenter of The Lounge to go see the abominating post for themselves, which to me, felt like finger pointing.

Either way, no ill feelings, but I'd like to leave the matter behind.

It is a shame that after the thread was reported none of the the AH mods saw fit to pm you about it, as it was one of them who started this thread and not I.

True, as I've said, it would have been nice to know I was under investigation before it hit the mainstream media. As Dragan put it, some posters may now feel like I'm some sort of sexist wanker, which doesn't sit all too well with me. The damage is done, but hopefully not lasting.

Nerin

It may be teh drink talki but i like overheal

Jack B. Badd

Overheal wrote: »

Fair enough. But what I mean is like, say a poster I know well enough - lets say Nerin - made an offensive comment or title that irked me to the point of expanding the conversation in 3 other forums (2 public 1 restricted) I might consider it prudent to PM Nerin and say Hey: you don't think that comment was a little Over The Top? It didn't sit well with me... and knowing Nerin he'd probably grant it its due consideration. Sometimes its ok to Pull Favors, you dont always have to Pull Rank.

If the post in question is just one particular instance of a greater issue (which I'm assuming this is, hence the thread in tLL) and just served to highlight the issue at this time, then what would be the purpose of PMing the OP? Thaedydal presumably started the tLL thread and Karoma started this thread to discuss the matter in general (and public). PMing you or reporting the post and sitting back will only have the effect of "fixing" that one instance... I doubt it was done to persecute you for your ill-advised thread title.

Overheal

by the way, whoever tagged "smack my darling up" has won the internet for today.