Waterford University discussion

imacman

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I understand where this is coming from, but it's the optics of it, the Irish student is getting shafted in this, we have to get over our continual thinking, we simply don't have the money bullsh1t, covid payments were increased literally over night, central banks can never run out of money, ever! We need to stop feeding the accountance!

I agree that the finances of the college dont mean much to to the students but the college needs money to keep operating . If that isn't coming from students the government will come up with the money. The reduction of funding of third level in the last decade is criminal , government funding of WIT alone is down 40% per annum since 2008. And they also have turned the CAO into a hunger games for colleges as the more students you attract the more funding you get. This is how we end up with smaller institutes like ITTralee having to be bailed out by the government

Wanderer78

imacman wrote:

I agree that the finances of the college dont mean much to to the students but the college needs money to keep operating . If that isn't coming from students the government will come up with the money. The reduction of funding of third level in the last decade is criminal , government funding of WIT alone is down 40% per annum since 2008. And they also have turned the CAO into a hunger games for colleges as the more students you attract the more funding you get. This is how we end up with smaller institutes like ITTralee having to be bailed out by the government

Yea, I'm beyond angry with this austerity crap, the financial failures of the financial crisis, largely came from the private sector, but the public sector and our political institutions also played their parts, it was never going to work, all it done was defund our critical public sector services. Jesus, they're shocking figures! We re creating one hell of an angry society, it won't end well!

Geuze

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yea, I'm beyond angry with this austerity crap, the financial failures of the financial crisis, largely came from the private sector, but the public sector and our political institutions also played their parts, it was never going to work, all it done was defund our critical public sector services. Jesus, they're shocking figures! We re creating one hell of an angry society, it won't end well!

Austerity???!!!!

There have been large increases in public spending recently.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/gfsa/governmentfinancestatisticsapril2020/


2014 = 72bn

2019 = 82bn

Thousands of extra staff have been hired.

There has been no "defunding".

Wanderer78

Geuze wrote:

There has been no "defunding".

Austerity itself is a method of defunding, it's flawed thinking, it doesnt do what it says on the thin, it's effects are felt for generations, it causes problems that simply cannot be rectified, it is one of the reasons why many of us are struggling to deal with covid, our critical public services, have not recovered from the effects of this barbaric policy

Geuze

Austerity is an attempt to reduce a Budget deficit, either by increasing taxes, and/or reducing Govt exps.

Isn't it?

OK, if we use that definition of austerity, a falling Budget deficit, then we had austerity until 2019.



However, that's not really reasonable, as public spending was rising, not falling, and taxes were rising due to a strong economy.

So the Budget deficit was falling due to growth, not due to austerity.



To find austerity, we'd need to go back before 2014.

Wanderer78

Geuze wrote:

To find austerity, we'd need to go back before 2014.

The effects of austerity never truly disappear, even when the process is long over, this has been well researched now, it's time for us to mature, and accept, growing budget deficits truly aren't a danger to society, most crashes occur due to rising private debt, as we ve recently experienced. the global program of austerity, from the previous crash, is currently one of the main reasons why we re experiencing our current struggles, the financial element from the previous crash, truly existed in the private sector, but our public sector and it's political institutions, also played a critical role in its occurrence

spaceCreated

Geuze wrote: »

Austerity is an attempt to reduce a Budget deficit, either by increasing taxes, and/or reducing Govt exps.

Isn't it?

OK, if we use that definition of austerity, a falling Budget deficit, then we had austerity until 2019.



However, that's not really reasonable, as public spending was rising, not falling, and taxes were rising due to a strong economy.

So the Budget deficit was falling due to growth, not due to austerity.



To find austerity, we'd need to go back before 2014.

pedantic: adjective
excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.

Harry Palmr

WLR talking about 50 years of RTC/WIT - Ray Griffin Jnr and Snr both on.

Wanderer78

Harry Palmr wrote: »

WLR talking about 50 years of RTC/WIT - Ray Griffin Jnr and Snr both on.

is it finished?

Harry Palmr

Barely started before it ended, just 20 minutes long

They really need to get Ray Griffin Jnr back in to talk about the university.

imacman

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Barely started before it ended, just 20 minutes long

They really need to get Ray Griffin Jnr back in to talk about the university.

I was a good listen , its sad that all of work people like Ray Griffin senior put into the college over the last 50 years is going to be thrown away as we face the TU merger (Itcarlow takeover) and we will never have a Waterford third level college again.

spaceCreated

So its been all our local politicians fault according to Simon Coveney but the Government are trying to give us a University... apparently not a technological anything because he doesnt meant TU anywhere with respect to the south East. They're trying to get investment for the region and WIT building but its so hard... weird how he can get 10 million for a running track in CIT.... must be our local politicians blocking him again. "we’ve been trying to push that for years but for all sorts of more localised political reasons that hasn’t happened"

If only we were more like Cork there'd be no problems I guess "to get an agreed outcome like has been achieved between Cork IT and IT Tralee to create the Munster Technological University.”

But lets remember its definitely not his or the Governments fault or any failure in funding or decision making as he keeps repeating "it certainly isn’t a national government that’s frustrating a university for the South East".

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/14/coveney-the-south-east-hasnt-been-left-behind/?fbclid=IwAR04QUo5QLh62RtalDDd6-q4D_9gXnvYm80HgFJ0_hMKct_5QM0nDSfV9ow#.X1_kZmhKhPZ

Dexpat

spaceCreated wrote: »

So its been all our local politicians fault according to Simon Coveney but the Government are trying to give us a University... apparently not a technological anything because he doesnt meant TU anywhere with respect to the south East. They're trying to get investment for the region and WIT building but its so hard... weird how he can get 10 million for a running track in CIT.... must be our local politicians blocking him again. "we’ve been trying to push that for years but for all sorts of more localised political reasons that hasn’t happened"

If only we were more like Cork there'd be no problems I guess "to get an agreed outcome like has been achieved between Cork IT and IT Tralee to create the Munster Technological University.”

But lets remember its definitely not his or the Governments fault or any failure in funding or decision making as he keeps repeating "it certainly isn’t a national government that’s frustrating a university for the South East".

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/14/coveney-the-south-east-hasnt-been-left-behind/?fbclid=IwAR04QUo5QLh62RtalDDd6-q4D_9gXnvYm80HgFJ0_hMKct_5QM0nDSfV9ow#.X1_kZmhKhPZ

The neck on him. Full of the usual platitudes while nothing changes.

imacman

spaceCreated wrote: »

So its been all our local politicians fault according to Simon Coveney but the Government are trying to give us a University... apparently not a technological anything because he doesnt meant TU anywhere with respect to the south East. They're trying to get investment for the region and WIT building but its so hard... weird how he can get 10 million for a running track in CIT.... must be our local politicians blocking him again. "we’ve been trying to push that for years but for all sorts of more localised political reasons that hasn’t happened"

If only we were more like Cork there'd be no problems I guess "to get an agreed outcome like has been achieved between Cork IT and IT Tralee to create the Munster Technological University.”

But lets remember its definitely not his or the Governments fault or any failure in funding or decision making as he keeps repeating "it certainly isn’t a national government that’s frustrating a university for the South East".

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/14/coveney-the-south-east-hasnt-been-left-behind/?fbclid=IwAR04QUo5QLh62RtalDDd6-q4D_9gXnvYm80HgFJ0_hMKct_5QM0nDSfV9ow#.X1_kZmhKhPZ

The MTU is no model of success , pushed through by the politicians without bringing staff or unions on board. And that is still playing out
https://www.radiokerry.ie/tralee-engaging-tui-workplace-relations-commission/

Ahead of the MTU merger, the TUI listed five topics of concern: lack of consultation and meaningful engagement; new structures and models not agreed; operational structures and policies for MTU; financial viability; and international panel concerns.

Those 5 topics are the fundamental foundations to any merger but details like that doesn't bother the politicians once they can put the university name over the door.

Muttley79

It's one of the main reasons why Waterford has turned its back on electing anyone from fine Gael in this county.its simple that they have not delivered anything for Waterford in over a decade and people have had enough of them.

spaceCreated

Muttley79 wrote: »

It's one of the main reasons why Waterford has turned its back on electing anyone from fine Gael in this county.its simple that they have not delivered anything for Waterford in over a decade and people have had enough of them.

They've only cut and moved things elsewhere and seem confused as to why they're not getting elected here as well. They cut the heels from under us and expect us to thank them for it.

smellyoldboot

That and the absolute beauties we did elect in Deasy and before him Coffey and the latest failed attempt in Cummins. I think away from Dublin where they can be groomed and polished you tend to see the ugly side of what FG are really about: the smug "local big shot" type seems to be their archetypal candidate.

BBM77

spaceCreated wrote: »

They've only cut and moved things elsewhere and seem confused as to why they're not getting elected here as well. They cut the heels from under us and expect us to thank them for it.

Yeah, Simon Coveney said the other day that “he does not buy into the narrative that the south east has been left behind”. Coming from a Cork politician it was hard to read. To give just one of many examples, considering he was part of a government that added the fifth and sixth cath lab in Cork while at them same time manipulating numbers to create an excuse to close cath labs in Waterford. And then as you say they expect us to vote for them.

Bards

Words are cheap... Actions cost money

spaceCreated

Bards wrote: »

Words are cheap... Actions cost money

And that money is spent to buy votes in other areas because we normally return a td for the party that cuts us. Hence the confusion lately when we didn't elect a fg td and the constant soundbites now of how they've been trying to help Waterford and the region for years.... but vague reasons keep stopping them and we will definitely get the things that they are trying to get us if we keep voting them in.

914

Tech Uni consisting of WIT and ITCarlow to be completed by 2022

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/23/tuse-earmarked-for-january-1-2022-establishment/

smellyoldboot

914 wrote: »

Tech Uni consisting of WIT and ITCarlow to be completed by 2022

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/23/tuse-earmarked-for-january-1-2022-establishment/

RIP WIT.

Muttley79

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/22/phoenix-through-a-glass-darkly/#.X2t6vIzTWyV
A good article from the phoenix this week.fine Gael are certainly no friends of waterford.governments have strung along Waterford and the southeast far to long.the city has been decimated for over a decade

imacman

I see ITCarlow are have started to build the TU headquarters on their campus. This tender went out last week.
https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/174760/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE
They dont need a 5000 square meter administration space extension for their existing staff so this has only one purpose and we will end up with all of the important depts will be based there.
I'm hearing that any objections that are being made by WIT staff to any of the TU process and especially where Carlow are over stepping the mark are being told they need to get on "team TU" and stop creating problems.

Deiseen

imacman wrote: »

I see ITCarlow are have started to build the TU headquarters on their campus. This tender went out last week
https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/174760/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE
The fear I have always WIT will be downgraded and just become a satellite campus with all the power in Carlow are coming true

Time to pull out from this sorry excuse of a University.

imacman

Deiseen wrote: »

Time to pull out from this sorry excuse of a University.

Never going to happen im afraid , the appalling vista we face is a Carlow ran TU campus in Waterford and there is nothing anyone can do about it . WIT RIP

Azatadine

Yeah, Carlow led for sure and before too long, WIT will be lower in the pecking order. The end of WIT as we know it.

BBM77

imacman wrote: »

Never going to happen im afraid , the appalling vista we face is a Carlow ran TU campus in Waterford and there is nothing anyone can do about it . WIT RIP

There are things that can be done but nobody is. WIT could withdraw from this con. The question is why is WIT going along with this? Our TDs are useless so that explains why they are not doing anything.

914

BBM77 wrote: »

There are things that can be done but nobody is. WIT could withdraw from this con. The question is why is WIT going along with this? Our TDs are useless so that explains why they are not doing anything.

WIT can easily pull out of it. I would suspect they are under pressure to deliver a university and this is the only way.

Political pressure and with Tom Boland involved WIT will be forced into this shambles while our four national representivities claim they have delivered a university for Waterford and South East as they parade in front of the cameras.

imacman

914 wrote: »

WIT can easily pull out of it. I would suspect they are under pressure to deliver a university and this is the only way.

Political pressure and with Tom Boland involved WIT will be forced into this shambles while our four national representivities claim they have delivered a university for Waterford and South East as they parade in front of the cameras.

Its a done deal and Simon Harris is pushing it on with Carlow at the wheel. All of the local politicians of all parties and local businesses , IBEC , local councilors have bought into the whole "TU game changer for the south east" crap without every caring about how it was all going to work. I wonder how they will feel when the HQ is setup in Carlow

There is too much pressure on WIT for it to pull out, they will just have to suck it up and watch a new regime take over. I feel really sorry for the present staff and all the retired and passed on people who worked so hard to build WIT up to what it is over the last 50 years.