The New Lansdowne Road

King Kelly

Not sure if it really qualifies as infrastructure but theres a good article and pictures of the emerging Lansdowne Road Stadium in todays Irish Times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/0915/1221257218317.html

Looks like the development is proceeding at a pace. Should be a great atmosphere in the compact stadium for the big games. Always think Croke Park is just too big and needs a full house to generate any atmosphere. (and it looks like its only 3/4 finished with the uncovered Hill 16 end.)

Steviemak

Latest photos here

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=68

Packet

It looks like it will only be 3/4s of a stadium as well.

At least with this one the roof will go all the way around, including the missing 1/4, so it doesn't look so unfinished.

BluntGuy

Yes. The GAA need to sort out that missing chunk of Croker...

Lansdowne is already starting to look great btw...

ohnoigotsick

BluntGuy wrote: »

Yes. The GAA need to sort out that missing chunk of Croker...

Lansdowne is already starting to look great btw...

nothing wrong with that missing chunk

BluntGuy

ohnoigotsick wrote: »

nothing wrong with that missing chunk

There's nothing *wrong*, but the stadium would look a lot nicer if is was complete the whole way 'round.

I'm sure one day in the future they'll get round to doing it...

ohnoigotsick

BluntGuy wrote: »

There's nothing *wrong*, but the stadium would look a lot nicer if is was complete the whole way 'round.

I'm sure one day in the future they'll get round to doing it...

while i agree it would look nicer if it was completed in a bowl structure , you would loose the heart of the place - hill 16 in the summer is a great place to be - ok i don't really stand there anymore and there are some right scummers in there - but the noise and colour from it is second to none

anyways it was only re vamped 3 years ago and the fact that the railway line runs right behind it as is and then houses beyond that mean it will prob never happen.


also whats with landsdowne and the on tier section behind one of the goals - am i right in saying that the pitch has been shifted 90 degrees so the one tier section would have previously been a 2 tier in the old landsowne ?

D.L.R.

ohnoigotsick wrote: »

while i agree it would look nicer if it was completed in a bowl structure , you would loose the heart of the place - hill 16 in the summer is a great place to be - ok i don't really stand there anymore and there are some right scummers in there - but the noise and colour from it is second to none

anyways it was only re vamped 3 years ago and the fact that the railway line runs right behind it as is and then houses beyond that mean it will prob never happen.


also whats with landsdowne and the on tier section behind one of the goals - am i right in saying that the pitch has been shifted 90 degrees so the one tier section would have previously been a 2 tier in the old landsowne ?

No, the pitch has shifted 10 degrees maybe, not even. And its slightly further from the train line. Same basic layout though.

Irjudge1

BluntGuy wrote: »

Yes. The GAA need to sort out that missing chunk of Croker...

Lansdowne is already starting to look great btw...

No No No please don't fill in the "chunk". Leave the chunk as a terrace and keep Croker distinguishable from every other stadium in the world. 82 or 83,000 is enough capacity and a bit of wind always keeps things interesting.

Landsdowne looks good like the crowd will be right on the pitch. Pity ther didn't keep wanderers club house though. Nothing wrong with a bit of idiosyncracy.

spacetweek

ohnoigotsick wrote: »

anyways it was only re vamped 3 years ago and the fact that the railway line runs right behind it as is and then houses beyond that mean it will prob never happen.

I went on the tour of it recently and they confirmed that it will never happen due to these reasons.

serfboard

Irjudge1 wrote: »

Pity they didn't keep wanderers club house though. Nothing wrong with a bit of idiosyncracy.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks so. I always thought it was quirky but cool to have a house in either end of the stand in Lansdowne Road. Ditto with Corballis house in the airport which has recently been demolished.

I recognise that they had to go - it's just a pity that they did.

Still, you can always tune into Rugbai Gold on TG4 if you want to see them again, and bring a tear to your eye!

Bluetonic

serfboard wrote: »

Ditto with Corballis house in the airport which has recently been demolished.

Christmas always begun with a spin through the airport to look at the Christmas lights, and Corballis always looked amazing.

Progress

bmcgov86

went by it the other day on the dart, looks impressive. about time we got a good stadium for soccer and rugby!

Mint Sauce

anyone know where plans or layout can be viewed, i do check out www.lrsdc.ie regulary, to see the pictures, and have a idea in my head from the artists impression, but curious (more out of interest) on the actual plans, ie layout drawings, the surounding etc,

did try and opening some of the documents on the above site but a software conflict wouldn't let me or find the right programe to view them

Bluetonic

Here is the planning application.

All the plans and elevations along with tons of correspondence can be found on the 'Documents' tab.

Joey Joe-Joe Jr

Finally there are some new pics up on the stadium website. It's coming along nicely.

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=68

carlowguy32

why are they leaving one end like croke park in the pictures? they have 3/4 nearly done but one end is not even started, do they have to buy some houses at that end or something?

Steviemak

Just look at the artist impressions. That end needs the least work. Due to the way the stadium has been designed it can never (without huge disruption) be expanded even if they were to buy up the houses behind - which they have no plans to do.

By the way new pictures have been uploaded for January.
http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=68

Carawaystick

The northern end is being left like Croke Park for the exact same reason Croke Park is like that- if it was higher, then the houses behind it would be in shadow all the time. If you look at the last arial photo, you can see the shadow of the southern end of the stadium goes about 2/3 of the way up where the pitch will be. When the roof goes on, the shadow will be longer.

I presume for construction the northern end is being left like that to allow access of large loads to the interior of the stadium, and will be built last, from the railway side towards the back pitch. the secnd last arial photo shows a lane/gap from the back pitch into where the northern terrace was.

Gumbo

Bluetonic wrote: »

Here is the planning application.

All the plans and elevations along with tons of correspondence can be found on the 'Documents' tab.

a new application was lodged with DCC last week for alterations to the stadium.

some minor changes i believe, including drop in levels in places and a revised facade detail.
they have also aquired some land from the houses behind it to adjust the site layout.

i will route out a DCC ref number tomorrow.

Steviemak

New photos available here
http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=0

It's progressing well.

cherrypicker555

Joey Joe-Joe Jr wrote: »

Finally there are some new pics up on the stadium website. It's coming along nicely.

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=68

It may be smaller then Croke pk but in terms of modern design, all seating, roofing on all stands it will beats it hands down.


croke pk
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/ireland/dublin_croke_park1.jpg


Avia/Landsdown rd
http://www.ricecollegewestport.ie/business/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/lansdowneroadnew4-1.jpg

Bluetonic

How can you compare two stadiums which were designed nearly 20 years apart....modern design.... :rolleyes:

cherrypicker555

Bluetonic wrote: »

How can you compare two stadiums which were designed nearly 20 years apart....modern design.... :rolleyes:

Even still its not exactly an imaginative design is it ?

spacetweek

cherrypicker555 wrote: »

Even still its not exactly an imaginative design is it ?

There's always someone who has to rain on it. It's a fantastic design, all flowing lines and a grand scale.

cherrypicker555

spacetweek wrote: »

There's always someone who has to rain on it. It's a fantastic design, all flowing lines and a grand scale.

Im not talking about Landsdown.

Joey Joe-Joe Jr

Updated pics on the website...

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=96

sdanseo

Did the site tour courtesy of the FAI a couple of weeks back (My dad may have accidentally given them the impression he was interested in 10-year premium tickets :P ) and got a few pics, will throw them up tomorrow.

Was told anyone can e-mail the FAI, and ask to go on the tour - they want hype for the stadium as much as they want to sell expensive tickets. 2 tours a day with 10 people or so on each one is a good bit of capacity. Word of warning to anyone who does - most of the folks on the tour were executive types in 3-piece suits. If you get on one, don't wear that if it can be avoided. Full hi-viz gear, safety boots, goggles and hard hats just don't work with them - although it was funny to watch

Intersting thing actually - the whole stadium will be block-booked. No general sale for anything - be it soccer, rugby, concerts - whatsoever. Cheapest premium level, 10-year seats are €7,000 in two installments by opening day + annual sub of €500 until at least 2019. Most expensive are €12k + €2k a year for 10 years. Needless to say, Dad nearly passed out when he saw that so safe to say I for one won't be going to any games any time soon :pac:

carlowguy32

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Did the site tour courtesy of the FAI a couple of weeks back (My dad may have accidentally given them the impression he was interested in 10-year premium tickets :P ) and got a few pics, will throw them up tomorrow.

Was told anyone can e-mail the FAI, and ask to go on the tour - they want hype for the stadium as much as they want to sell expensive tickets. 2 tours a day with 10 people or so on each one is a good bit of capacity. Word of warning to anyone who does - most of the folks on the tour were executive types in 3-piece suits. If you get on one, don't wear that if it can be avoided. Full hi-viz gear, safety boots, goggles and hard hats just don't work with them - although it was funny to watch

Intersting thing actually - the whole stadium will be block-booked. No general sale for anything - be it soccer, rugby, concerts - whatsoever. Cheapest premium level, 10-year seats are €7,000 in two installments by opening day + annual sub of €500 until at least 2019. Most expensive are €12k + €2k a year for 10 years. Needless to say, Dad nearly passed out when he saw that so safe to say I for one won't be going to any games any time soon :pac:

jesus, thats abit harsh, i wish them well on selling them all, looks like the normal fan is forgotten here, i will be spending my money in england at premiership matches unfortunatley

sdanseo

carlowguy32 wrote: »

jesus, thats abit harsh, i wish them well on selling them all, looks like the normal fan is forgotten here, i will be spending my money in england at premiership matches unfortunatley

For Soccer at least, 29,000 odd of the seats that are general admission come straight off the FAI waiting list, 9,700 for premium, 1,000 for schoolboys, the rest to away supporters or back into GA.

Oh the above premium membership is 6 soccer matches p.a. only. You pay per ticket for the rest.

You can only sell premium tickets to other premium members, also.

Bluetonic

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Intersting thing actually - the whole stadium will be block-booked. No general sale for anything - be it soccer, rugby, concerts - whatsoever.

Rubbish.

There will of course be general sale of non premium level seats for concerts.

sdanseo

Bluetonic wrote: »

Rubbish.

There will of course be general sale of non premium level seats for concerts.

Sorry yes, concerts should be excluded, Soccer and Rugby only. I'd imagine some fixtures won't fill the ground and there'll be general sale for the odd match - but anything else comes off the list.

Bluetonic

sdonn_1 wrote: »

got a few pics, will throw them up tomorrow.

Any chance?

sdanseo

Bluetonic wrote: »

Any chance?

Lost the bloody cable for my phone - will keep looking. Just looking at them (it was my dad using the camera), theyre a bit shíte tbh :P

Some pics of it that I took on that tour yoke on the 13th March '09. Guy said the estimated completion date is April '10 which is ahead of schedule.

More.

And more. It's just my camera phone so the quality obviously isn't fantastic.

johnnyc

amazing pics of the stadium just wondering how far down the road is the stadium from completion(percentage wise) i know its opening in April 2010

spacetweek

I'm very interested in the arrangement at the DART side of the stadium. Are they doing the right thing and making it so the punters don't have to walk across the tracks anymore as they enter and exit the stadium?

sdanseo

Dónal wrote: »

And more. It's just my camera phone so the quality obviously isn't fantastic.

Cheers Dónal, pretty much covers everything that was in my pics also. Still haven't found the fúcking cable!

df1985

i read on another website that according to some of the workers on site, some of the seats will have obstructed views of the pitch because of the roof design.judgin by some of the pics the roof really comes down at a tight angle.if its true its a terrible flaw in the design.can you imagine a game of rugby when the ball is in the air!

Stupido

Bluetonic wrote: »

Here is the planning application.

All the plans and elevations along with tons of correspondence can be found on the 'Documents' tab.

Hmmm....I see from the above that they have been buying up a lot of properties at Havelock Square and O'Connell Gardens...and Lansdowne road for that matter....


conspiricy theory anyone?


If they completed the bowl it would hold c65,000. Probably the optimum capacity.

sdanseo

Stupido wrote: »

Hmmm....I see from the above that they have been buying up a lot of properties at Havelock Square and O'Connell Gardens...and Lansdowne road for that matter....


conspiricy theory anyone?


If they completed the bowl it would hold c65,000. Probably the optimum capacity.

Are you really suggesting they'll knock the low-capacity end and rebuild?

Not in the next decade, anyway.

Stupido

yeah, won't be any time soon, but it gives them the option to do it in the future

spacetweek

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Are you really suggesting they'll knock the low-capacity end and rebuild?

Not in the next decade, anyway.

The capacity of the upgraded stadium will probably be fine for at least a decade, but I think this should be long term goal.

Stupido

Stupido wrote: »

If they completed the bowl it would hold c65,000. Probably the optimum capacity.

I actually asked that question on the tour, and the FAI guy said it'd be nearer to 60,000 if it was completed.

D.L.R.

New pics up.

That roof's a tough piece of engineering. First bit went up in Jan and they're not even half way yet.

Stupido

dat's cos it was built in Venice....takes a while to get to D4.

It does look dramatic tho, I must admit.

People are going to have to get used to some of the trusses being below eyelevel for the upper parts of the stadium (a la Wembley). should be no prob for soccer but a few garryowens may disappear from sight for a few thousand!

.....still think its too small.....moan...groan...:mad::mad::mad:

Koloman

Stupido wrote: »

dat's cos it was built in Venice....takes a while to get to D4.

It does look dramatic tho, I must admit.

People are going to have to get used to some of the trusses being below eyelevel for the upper parts of the stadium (a la Wembley). should be no prob for soccer but a few garryowens may disappear from sight for a few thousand!

.....still think its too small.....moan...groan...:mad::mad::mad:

For soccer its the perfect size. Don't forget the doomed Eircom Park was due a capacity of no more than 45,000 seats. A 50,000 capacity means it will be full for most games.

For rugby on the other hand 50,000 is too small, especially in the current climate with the popularity of rugby at an all time high.

It's a pity some permanent arrangement with Croke Park could not be agreed for the "bigger" games. With Aviva as a sponsor of the name of the ground then this is off the agenda for a least the next 10 years.

Stupido

yes but there is a management issue over what is acceptable to what is desirable.

The pricing structure for soccer is very bad when compared to other countries. You can't expect to fill a stadium charging premium rates for games against second tier opposition.

That said, the attandences recently at croker (including Georgia and Cyprus games) have all exceeded the capacity for Lansdowne road by about 10,000. So there is a demand there, despite ticket prices. If the FAI priced the games better those games would have been sold out.

The IRFU pricing structure is worse, but they have a winning team and they are getting the games sold out as a result. They can't continue to do this if the team goes back to the losing ways of the 1990's.


So it is all relative. There is a big demand for both games, and ticket price is key. I don't think the games should ever become the sole preserve of those who can afford to pay €50-€100 a game.

Idbatterim

would they not continue to use croker for the bigger rugby and soccer matches? it would be ideal to eventually complete the full ring around lansdowne.