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The New Lansdowne Road

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭Walsh


    There is nothing sarcastic about your sentence, your telling the truth. Atmosphere goes straight out hill 16, worst ground in europe imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    Walsh wrote: »
    worst ground in europe imo.
    What a ridiculous opinion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,002 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Walsh wrote: »
    There is nothing sarcastic about your sentence, your telling the truth. Atmosphere goes straight out hill 16, worst ground in europe imo.
    lol. You haven't been in many football stadiums have you! Croke Park whilst arguably not the best stadium in Europe is certainly one of the best, top 50 anyway.

    I'd like to see the roof completed someday, even if left as a terrace but to say it's the worst ground in Europe is stretching it to say the least! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Walsh wrote: »
    There is nothing sarcastic about your sentence, your telling the truth. Atmosphere goes straight out hill 16, worst ground in europe imo.

    What? :confused:
    Seriously, the worst?

    Having lived in Drumcondra I'm struggling to see what can be done for Hill 16. There is simply no room to build
    Even if you built over the railway you would have to buy up the south side of Clonliffe Rd. And believe me, the rest of the residents would not be slow to object. And rightly so!


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    looking at google maps there... the logistics dont seem to difficult, given the depths of the existing stand, the last stand would run to about the sheds out the back gardens on clonliffe road... you could tunnel the rail line or just run it under the stand ala Lansdowne! it is an impressive stadium, but if completed would be something else!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Hill 16 has a capacity of 12,753, the Davin end has a capacity of 21,064 So if the stadium was "completed" it should have a capacity of 82,300 + 8311 = 90611! which would make it the the 2nd largest stadium in europe, after the Nou Camp...


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,002 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    You don't have a right to a view (anymore) under planning law but you do have a right to ancient daylight so this may well prevent the stadium ever being completed, without major money being thrown at the homeowners to the rear of the hill. The GAA could of course be steadily buying up these properties and renting them out as they come on the market to eventually own the bulk of the street. It would indeed be awesome if it was completed all the way around. I'd prefer if they created an even larger terrace though (for GAA and occasional rugby) and just put seats in for the odd soccer match or concert (if needed).

    Imagine a terrace to rival the Suedtribune.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    From the existing stand depth, if a new stand were to be constructed in place on hill 16, it looks like there would be a 50m divide between the outside stand wall and facade of the house on the far side of clonliffe road... surely they could then have a square and plant trees there! for any non match day, surely it would be alot better than the houses they face!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Clanket


    Is this a Croke Park or Lansdowne road discussion????


  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Joey Joe-Joe Jr


    Is this a Croke Park or Lansdowne road discussion????

    Is that a rhetorical question? ;)

    It's drifted a bit OT alright but the points being raised are interesting enough IMO.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭nordydan


    murphaph wrote: »

    Imagine a terrace to rival the Suedtribune.


    ... full of Dubs! :D


    In real terms it is impossible to talk about Lansdowne Road without comparing it to the only other big stadium in Leinster


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,611 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Noticed her for the first time today as i came through the port tunnel on a 747 bus,

    sitting upstairs gave a great view of it as we were down near the docks, looking up along the Point across the river,

    Looks fantastic from there, sits in nicely - i actually never thought it was so close :)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Walsh wrote: »
    There is nothing sarcastic about your sentence, your telling the truth. Atmosphere goes straight out hill 16, worst ground in europe imo.
    How can you be taken seriously when your opinion is so at odds with everybody else's? Croke Park is fantastic.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 66,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    spacetweek wrote: »
    How can you be taken seriously when your opinion is so at odds with everybody else's? Croke Park is fantastic.

    His opinion isn't at odds with many tens of thousands of Irish football fans. Croke Park is a horrible 'little' ground, incomplete roof and atrocious access.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Koloman


    MYOB wrote: »
    His opinion isn't at odds with many tens of thousands of Irish football fans. Croke Park is a horrible 'little' ground, incomplete roof and atrocious access.

    I 100% agree. I can't wait to get back to Lansdowne. Croke Park is a temporary little arrangement which has never quite worked out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Joey Joe-Joe Jr


    MYOB wrote: »
    His opinion isn't at odds with many tens of thousands of Irish football fans. Croke Park is a horrible 'little' ground, incomplete roof and atrocious access.

    Indeed, Irish football fans are used to luxuriating in places like Jackman, the Carlisle and Tolka. :confused:


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 66,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Indeed, Irish football fans are used to luxuriating in places like Jackman, the Carlisle and Tolka. :confused:

    In all honesty, I'd prefer an evening in the flatpack stand in the Carlisle Grounds with my car parked 200 metres away and a burger van with no queue than Croke Park...

    But comparing like with like the majority of people who go to Ireland games that I speak to prefered Lansdowne.


  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Joey Joe-Joe Jr


    MYOB wrote: »
    In all honesty, I'd prefer an evening in the flatpack stand in the Carlisle Grounds with my car parked 200 metres away and a burger van with no queue than Croke Park...

    It floats my boat too! :) (Though I do enjoy my annual trip to Croker to see Wexford lose to Kilkenny)
    MYOB wrote: »
    But comparing like with like the majority of people who go to Ireland games that I speak to prefered Lansdowne.

    Aye, I do think the footie gets a bit lost on the size of the turf. I'm looking forward to sampling the new Lansdowne, maybe for some games when we're warming up for South Africa. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    MYOB wrote: »
    Croke Park is a horrible 'little' ground, incomplete roof and atrocious access.
    Atrocious access? How so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Poster King


    When Leinster win the Magners League and the Heineken Cup again next year, their support will swell again so much that all home games will have to be played in Lansdowne Road. The visiting fans can sit in the restricted view seats with the architects (who have supposedly been forced to buy those 10 year tickets for their stupidity).
    All major international rugby games and soccer games will be played in Croke Park with 82,500 spectators.
    In 7 years time a new national stadium, with a running track and big enough for GAA will be built on the glass bottle site by NAMA and it will host the opening ceremony for the 2020 Olympics.

    All joking aside, I was delighted that the home of Rugby did not move from the oldest rugby ground to some souless out of town site, but I was pretty dissapointed with the decision to build a stadium of only 50,000 capacity, despite the fantastically improved facilities that will be on offer.

    As far as I can remember (and correct me if I'm wrong) the only reason for the low capacity was due to objections from residents to the proposed extra 15,000 spectators for a 65,000 seater which was going to be rotated 90 degrees. The IRFU wanted 65k and had the money to build it, but overcoming local NIMBYism was going to prove impossible, which I think is a great shame.

    Anyway, the general consensus from rugby fans seems to be that Croke Park's atmosphere was poor (except for first English game) and we can't wait for Lansdowne to be ready. The atmosphere will be fantastic and the facilities first rate, for those who can get tickets.

    Regarding the low roof, I am strongly of the opinion that the designers/architects/engineers screwed up and that those sitting in the top of the stand will be mostly looking at large white tubes. I pray I do not getlanded with seats up there.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 66,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    Atrocious access? How so.

    The streets around it cannot cope with 45,000 fans pouring in/out; let alone 80,000.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    MYOB wrote: »
    The streets around it cannot cope with 45,000 fans pouring in/out; let alone 80,000.
    I disagree, the crowds disperse very quickly from around Croke Park due to the many streets which can be accessed straight away. It's a very good ground in terms of 'getting away from it'.

    I'm not trying to be controversial here or anything but being I'm a regular at Dublin games and Ireland games where I sit in the lower Cusack there are never any issues in the streets around Croke Park after the game - maybe thats something I don't because I'm a clued up regular? Maybe, but I doubt it.

    There only issue is the 45 odd rows below the exits trying to get off the lower tiers at the same time.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 66,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    I disagree, the crowds disperse very quickly from around Croke Park due to the many streets which can be accessed straight away. It's a very good ground in terms of 'getting away from it'.

    I'm not trying to be controversial here or anything but being I'm a regular at Dublin games and Ireland games where I sit in the lower Cusack there are never any issues in the streets around Croke Park after the game - maybe thats something I don't because I'm a clued up regular? Maybe, but I doubt it.

    There only issue is the 45 odd rows below the exits trying to get off the lower tiers at the same time.

    Having attended games at large stadiums abroad, I can tell you that its so far from 'very good' in terms of access that its not funny. Entry speed, empty speed, transport links are all laughable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    MYOB wrote: »
    Having attended games at large stadiums abroad, I can tell you that its so far from 'very good' in terms of access that its not funny. Entry speed, empty speed, transport links are all laughable.
    I've a feeling 'user issues' might be half the battle.

    I've been caught up in more congestion in the Amsterdam Arena, Stade De France, Old Trafford etc.., than I have ever been in Croke Park where the attendance has been higher.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    When Leinster win the Magners League and the Heineken Cup again next year, their support will swell again so much that all home games will have to be played in Lansdowne Road. The visiting fans can sit in the restricted view seats with the architects (who have supposedly been forced to buy those 10 year tickets for their stupidity).
    All major international rugby games and soccer games will be played in Croke Park with 82,500 spectators.
    In 7 years time a new national stadium, with a running track and big enough for GAA will be built on the glass bottle site by NAMA and it will host the opening ceremony for the 2020 Olympics.

    All joking aside, I was delighted that the home of Rugby did not move from the oldest rugby ground to some souless out of town site, but I was pretty dissapointed with the decision to build a stadium of only 50,000 capacity, despite the fantastically improved facilities that will be on offer.

    As far as I can remember (and correct me if I'm wrong) the only reason for the low capacity was due to objections from residents to the proposed extra 15,000 spectators for a 65,000 seater which was going to be rotated 90 degrees. The IRFU wanted 65k and had the money to build it, but overcoming local NIMBYism was going to prove impossible, which I think is a great shame.

    Anyway, the general consensus from rugby fans seems to be that Croke Park's atmosphere was poor (except for first English game) and we can't wait for Lansdowne to be ready. The atmosphere will be fantastic and the facilities first rate, for those who can get tickets.

    Regarding the low roof, I am strongly of the opinion that the designers/architects/engineers screwed up and that those sitting in the top of the stand will be mostly looking at large white tubes. I pray I do not getlanded with seats up there.

    Anyway when Munster win the Magners League and Heineken Cup next year the IRFU will sell Lansdowne Road to the FAI and move to a new stadium at the real home of Irish rugby - Thomond Park. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 785 ✭✭✭ALH-06


    The visiting fans can sit in the restricted view seats with the architects (who have supposedly been forced to buy those 10 year tickets for their stupidity).

    I've read a few articles in papers about the new Lansdowne, but none of them mention restricted-view seats. Link please?
    I was delighted that the home of Rugby did not move from the oldest rugby ground to some souless out of town site, but I was pretty dissapointed with the decision to build a stadium of only 50,000 capacity, despite the fantastically improved facilities that will be on offer.

    As far as I can remember (and correct me if I'm wrong) the only reason for the low capacity was due to objections from residents to the proposed extra 15,000 spectators for a 65,000 seater which was going to be rotated 90 degrees. The IRFU wanted 65k and had the money to build it, but overcoming local NIMBYism was going to prove impossible, which I think is a great shame.

    It's a great pity alright. A reduced capacity of 50,000 is an extremely unfortunate compromise, and one that will prove massively expensive to the IRFU. Croker is filled to the rafters for every rugby international, and there's always demand for thousands more tickets. With at least five international matches being played in Dublin every year, the IRFU stand to lose roughly €6 million in annual ticket sales by reducing the capacity from 65,000 to 50,000 (based on an average price of €80 per ticket). Factoring in reduced income from corporate boxes and premium seating, the amount lost would increase significantly.

    We could have Connacht winning the Heineken Cup with that kind of money!


  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Joey Joe-Joe Jr




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    From the ground shots it will be a terrific place if your in the lower tier because its so close to the pitch and the stand is quite steep.

    But those roof rafters... geez!
    They wont block any view of the pitch, but they are so low it will seem very clostrophobic.

    wonder could someone scale those rafters?
    Much better view from the edge of the roof looking down! :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Koloman



    They wont block any view of the pitch, but they are so low it will seem very clostrophobic.

    :eek:
    That will only add to the atmosphere. Croke Park is too open for rugby and soccer and the atmosphere just drains from the crowd.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 dugganm07


    is that a big screen i can see being erected in some of the ground pictures?


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