M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

Sam Russell

I think a solid white line down the middle of the road prohibits it.

niloc1951

Isambard wrote: »

I've still not seen one vehicle do this and under what Law is it illegal? There are side turnings north and south where this could be performed safely and even on the main line it wouldn't actually be dangerous or illegal if care was taken.

As for special treatment for this junction with a speed limit, there are many worse and as bad junctions where this isn't done. There are as I've noted junctions north and south to access cross country routes which would add 10 seconds or so to the journey of those traditionalists, why would you delay the other 99.9% of drivers on an already over-loaded and dangerous road?

So you know the area, could you expand on which alternative route would add 10 seconds or so to the journey of those traditionalists and by traditionalists I assume you are referring to the local population who are discommoded.
If the N20 is already over-loaded and dangerous road perhaps the existing 100km/h is inappropriate and should be reduced until the capacity issue is resolved.

niloc1951

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think a solid white line down the middle of the road prohibits it.

Of course, it'sprohibited to drive across a continuous white line for any reason except in an emergency or access to a property or premises.

Bass Reeves

niloc1951 wrote: »

Of course, it'sprohibited to drive across a continuous white line for any reason except in an emergency or access to a property or premises.

Unless there is a break in the solid white line it is not allowed to access a property or premises across from it. As far as i know you need to continue and find a safe place to turn around to access it from the other direction.

niloc1951

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Unless there is a break in the solid white line it is not allowed to access a property or premises across from it. As far as i know you need to continue and find a safe place to turn around to access it from the other direction.

See page 73 (71) HERE

Isambard

niloc1951 wrote: »

So you know the area, could you expand on which alternative route would add 10 seconds or so to the journey of those traditionalists and by traditionalists I assume you are referring to the local population who are discommoded.
If the N20 is already over-loaded and dangerous road perhaps the existing 100km/h is inappropriate and should be reduced until the capacity issue is resolved.

well I assume that would be the route you are using currently. Northbound you'd turn left on to the N20 and then right on to the local roads . Southbound you'd use the road junction just south of the Waterloo junction to turn right on to the N20 and then left for Waterloo.

cjpm

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-councillors-welcome-news-that-proposed-cork-limerick-motorway-wont-run-through-cahir-970769.html?fbclid=IwAR0Bo8hl5WHo_6d_CQrggfrzTf7y5BxBUhlVdZ5WV8pxwHG-Os4gu_jXBmc

Bass Reeves

Complete Limerick to Foynes (Adare bypass)is gone to planning stage it will be done as one project.

Cookiemunster

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Complete Limerick to Foynes (Adare bypass)is gone to planning stage it will be done as one project.

It already has it's own thread ans was always being done as one project.

Baldilocks

Hmm, a project here, a project there, is that an election I see on the horizon?

Cork Trucker

Baldilocks wrote: »

Hmm, a project here, a project there, is that an election I see on the horizon?

Adare being done due to the Ryder Cup, the rest might well be electioneering

serfboard

Baldilocks wrote: »

Hmm, a project here, a project there, is that an election I see on the horizon?

Indeed. If Cork East had better representation, the M20 would have been finished by now. FGs David Stanton has been one of the TDs there for over 20 years, and FFs O'Keefe dynasty (current TD Kevin and his father Ned) have represented the constituency since 1982.

Flesh Gorden

Another N20 crash and road closure:

Elderly woman fighting for her life after Cork accident


A WOMAN in her early 90s is fighting for her life after an accident this afternoon.

The woman's car was in a collision with a lorry on the N20, between Mallow and Newtwopothouse at lunchtime.

She has been rushed to Cork University Hospital.

The driver of the lorry was not injured.

The road has been closed and local diversions are in place.

Pete_Cavan

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Adare being done due to the Ryder Cup, the rest might well be electioneering

Adare is not being done due to the Ryder Cup, that is nonsense.

Cork Trucker

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Adare is not being done due to the Ryder Cup, that is nonsense.

It's being fast tracked, maybe i didn't word it correctly but you get the idea.

Pete_Cavan

Cork Trucker wrote: »

It's being fast tracked, maybe i didn't word it correctly but you get the idea.

It’s not being fast tracked either.

Cork Trucker

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

It’s not being fast tracked either.

No worries Pete, Good night.

Pete_Cavan

Cork Trucker wrote: »

No worries Pete, Good night.

It was in progress long before the Ryder Cup was announced and went to ABP several months after after considerable delay including waiting around for Ross to bring it to Cabinet for sign off. There was nothing fast track about it and the Ryder Cup announcement didn't see things move any faster.

Bass Reeves

It it not an Adare bypass it is an access road to Foynes port and the route chosen bypasses Adare. It's an EU funded project and was in doubt 6-12 months ago as NBP and CH was sucking so much money for the next 5-8 years. The Ryder cub gas fast tracked it by 12-18 months. If EU funding was to be drawn down it had to be completed by 2025 I think.

Limerick74

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It it not an Adare bypass it is an access road to Foynes port and the route chosen bypasses Adare. It's an EU funded project and was in doubt 6-12 months ago as NBP and CH was sucking so much money for the next 5-8 years. The Ryder cub gas fast tracked it by 12-18 months. If EU funding was to be drawn down it had to be completed by 2025 I think.

2030 is the target for a Core TEN-T road.

Pete_Cavan

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It it not an Adare bypass it is an access road to Foynes port and the route chosen bypasses Adare. It's an EU funded project and was in doubt 6-12 months ago as NBP and CH was sucking so much money for the next 5-8 years. The Ryder cub gas fast tracked it by 12-18 months. If EU funding was to be drawn down it had to be completed by 2025 I think.

Just stop. The port connection is required as part of the Ten-T network and EU funding is available for that. EU funding can't be just given over to something else like that so no it was never in doubt. The project is well behind schedule so it absolutely has not been fast tracked and nothing happened since the Ryder Cup announcement to see things move faster. It is just lazy nonsense, which uninformed people love to engage in and hack journalists make their living off, to say the Ryder Cup made a difference.

CrabRevolution

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Just stop. The port connection is required as part of the Ten-T network and EU funding is available for that. EU funding can't be just given over to something else like that so no it was never in doubt. The project is well behind schedule so it absolutely has not been fast tracked and nothing happened since the Ryder Cup announcement to see things move faster. It is just lazy nonsense, which uninformed people love to engage in and hack journalists make their living off, to say the Ryder Cup made a difference.

You can't deny it's an easy soundbite though. Just like how its "common knowledge" even amongst journalists that the GAA introduced the black card in response to Sean Cavanagh's rugby tackle.....disregarding the fact the black card was introduced months before said tackle happened.

Shedite27

N20 claimed another life last night
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/1220/1102299-mallow-cork-rta/

RIP

73bc61lyohr0mu

Shedite27 wrote: »

N20 claimed another life last night
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/1220/1102299-mallow-cork-rta/

RIP

I drove from Limerick to Cork and back yesterday. I actually drove past that area where it happened about 10 minutes beforehand. Anyone who says the m20 isn't required needs to get their head checked. It's a disgrace of a road. With the rain yesterday I had to contend with people pulling clean out in front of me, tractors, impatient drivers up behind me, very slow people causing backlogs and the horrible backlogs in charleville. This road needs to be done ASAP.

Hibernicis

Piper Substantial Serum wrote: »

I drove from Limerick to Cork and back yesterday. I actually drove past that area where it happened about 10 minutes beforehand. Anyone who says the m20 isn't required needs to get their head checked. It's a disgrace of a road. With the rain yesterday I had to contend with people pulling clean out in front of me, tractors, impatient drivers up behind me, very slow people causing backlogs and the horrible backlogs in charleville. This road needs to be done ASAP.

That hits the nail on the head.

I drive the round trip Cork-Limerick-Cork twice weekly and it is a dreadful drive. The alternative route via Mitchelstown and then Ballylanders, Hospital and Caherconlish carries less traffic but is an even worse road. On a number of occasions over the last few weeks where the weather demands I’ve actually taken the longer M8/N24 route to stick to trunk roads while avoiding the N20.

steeler j

A lot of people avoid the n20 by using the regional roads as soon as the m20 is done ,I think there will be an increase in traffic numbers compared to what is using the n 20 now

Shedite27

steeler j wrote: »

A lot of people avoid the n20 by using the regional roads as soon as the m20 is done ,I think there will be an increase in traffic numbers compared to what is using the n 20 now

Are there really any better regional roads?

steeler j

Shedite27 wrote: »

Are there really any better regional roads?

Motorways yes but national roads a lot are not much different

marno21

Shedite27 wrote: »

Are there really any better regional roads?

There are some journeys which will be easier via the M20 currently done via regional roads.

For example Cork to west Limerick at present would be via the R522, R515 or R518, but a lot of traffic might switch to the M20 and M21 when complete.

Plenty more examples

I can see the M20 seeing much larger traffic gain than expected due to traffic using lesser routes at present all converging on the M20. Most of the time I go to Limerick from Cork I go via the M8, with exceptions if going to Dooradoyle or Raheen. I would switch to the M20 in all circumstances

JamesBond2010

marno21 wrote: »

There are some journeys which will be easier via the M20 currently done via regional roads.

For example Cork to west Limerick at present would be via the R522, R515 or R518, but a lot of traffic might switch to the M20 and M21 when complete.

Plenty more examples

I can see the M20 seeing much larger traffic gain than expected due to traffic using lesser routes at present all converging on the M20. Most of the time I go to Limerick from Cork I go via the M8, with exceptions if going to Dooradoyle or Raheen. I would switch to the M20 in all circumstances

Do u go cross country ?? wouldnt be just as long though as going the normal