M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

Reputable Rog

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Is it fatal?

The train can be a good alternative on that existing route, the price is probably the biggest issue.

It was €21 return booked online, much better than the bus.
On aside I used the new Horgans Quay entrance to Kent on Friday night, no time saving whatsoever.

jgbyr

A lady passed away yesterday following a collision on the N20 South of Charleville on Friday morning. R.I.P.

GoneHome

Myself and OH got the train to Dublin two weeks ago for the Ireland v Argentina game, €29 each booked online two months in advance, Charleville to Dublin, that €58 would have been spent on diesel if we drove up, hassle free sat back and read the papers with a cup of coffee

Water John

Love the train, esp if one is going to one destination, in Dublin. Fresh for meetings etc.
Used the Aircoach to Dublin Airport as well, why would you drive?

mdmix

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I wouldn't be too up to date on railways except for an interest in disused lines.

Would the Patrickswell line be part of what you have mentioned?

A shuttle from Annacotty is another good alternative.

Kent station to UCC is roughly a similar distance. The numbers alone could make something similar quite viable however.

M7 express with Dublin Coach?

The motorway itself could result in higher numbers seeking to go the opposite direction for education in UCC/UL as the time would be greatly reduced.

no, patrickswell would be a different line, so although cork to limerick would be direct if patricksell was reinstated, it would still require change of train in colbert to get to UL. id like to see a needs assessment done on an annacotty station as it could be promising, but could only be successful if the limerick to ballybrophy line was brought to a decent standard, which is doubtful.

yes, dublin coach is every 30 mins each way, and the return splits after limerick with one bus going to ennis, the next to tralee and the next to killarney. iv taken the bus probably a dozen times in the last 12 months, and most of my friends the same. i can't help but feel if the m20 was already built there would be similar services promoting travel between both limerick and cork, and possibly both airports

D Trent

GoneHome wrote: »

Myself and OH got the train to Dublin two weeks ago for the Ireland v Argentina game, €29 each booked online two months in advance, Charleville to Dublin, that €58 would have been spent on diesel if we drove up, hassle free sat back and read the papers with a cup of coffee

Bet you that cup of coffee was 25% of the fare

But Fucl< it, was worth it

spacetweek

D Trent wrote: »

Bet you that cup of coffee was 25% of the fare

But Fucl< it, was worth it

Last time I went to West Cork from Dublin we got the train and rented a car, would recommend.

marno21

This week showing up this absolute pisstake for a road for what it is - dreadfully congested. Driving in 4th gear is a dream. A crash at O'Rourke's Cross didn't help this evening and of course the usual delays in Charleville. The whole week has been the same.

Hopefully design on this to get underway early in 2018. With a bit of luck everything will be done right from day 1 (correct route, correct junctions), nothing that will cause objections etc. Listening to Bus Wanker in the Dail talking about "creative and imaginative solutions" doesn't make me feel confident of that though. For a man constantly giving out about road deaths his attitude to this road, and others in the area is shameful.

Reputable Rog

marno21 wrote: »

This week showing up this absolute pisstake for a road for what it is - dreadfully congested. Driving in 4th gear is a dream. A crash at O'Rourke's Cross didn't help this evening and of course the usual delays in Charleville. The whole week has been the same.

Hopefully design on this to get underway early in 2018. With a bit of luck everything will be done right from day 1 (correct route, correct junctions), nothing that will cause objections etc. Listening to Bus Wanker in the Dail talking about "creative and imaginative solutions" doesn't make me feel confident of that though. For a man constantly giving out about road deaths his attitude to this road, and others in the area is shameful.

Car transporter broken down at Mallow South exit, chaos as they had to unload all the cars and put them on another transporter.
Bumper to bumper Southbound from Mallow to Blarney this morning.

Limerick74

New PIN Notice for Market Consultation on etenders https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=123123&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

Mc Love

Finance Minister confirms Limerick to Cork motorway set for capital plan

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/290052/finance-minister-confirms-limerick-to-cork-motorway-set-for-capital-plan.html

boardsuser1

Mc Love wrote: »

Finance Minister confirms Limerick to Cork motorway set for capital plan

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/290052/finance-minister-confirms-limerick-to-cork-motorway-set-for-capital-plan.html

I won’t get my hopes up yet.

marno21

M20 has been allocated €1.5m in 2018 for design and planning.

We are moving lads.

Reputable Rog

TII have announced plans for a 2+2 from Waterford to the ****ing Junction, I am a bit concerned.

marno21

Reputable Rog wrote: »

TII have announced plans for a 2+2 from Waterford to the ****ing Junction, I am a bit concerned.

Limerick Junction-Cahir was announced earlier in the year, Cahir-Waterford is a new one.

I think if they were planning on building the Cork route via Cahir they would've announced a new Limerick-Cahir scheme rather than the other way around. The only part they left out of Limerick-Waterford is the key part of Limerick-Cork if developed via that corridor.

Reputable Rog

marno21 wrote: »

Limerick Junction-Cahir was announced earlier in the year, Cahir-Waterford is a new one.

I think if they were planning on building the Cork route via Cahir they would've announced a new Limerick-Cahir scheme rather than the other way around. The only part they left out of Limerick-Waterford is the key part of Limerick-Cork if developed via that corridor.

It does seem odd not announcing a Gabhal Luimnigh to Ballysimon scheme.
If all these come to fruition, Limerick will the Birmingham of Ireland, all it will need is a few more canals.

JCX BXC

Reputable Rog wrote: »

If all these come to fruition, Limerick will the Birmingham of Ireland, all it will need is a few more canals.

Limerick has always been in an ideal place for these connections in Ireland though. You can in essence head any direction from Limerick (N,S,E,W), whereas cities like Cork, Waterford, Galway and Dublin are more limited.

Sam Russell

JCX BXC wrote: »

Limerick has always been in an ideal place for these connections in Ireland though. You can in essence head any direction from Limerick (N,S,E,W), whereas cities like Cork, Waterford, Galway and Dublin are more limited.

West might be a bit of a problem unless you are leaving from Shannon.

spacetweek

Sam Russell wrote: »

West might be a bit of a problem unless you are leaving from Shannon.

M21 Limerick-Adare/Foynes will head west, sort of.

marno21

Before you read this article, some of the work attributed to Bus Wanker is not true. As part of the Cork-Limerick upgrade, the next stage of the project is the route selection stage. There is a very high chance that the route selected will be to shadow the existing N20, unless there is political interference involved.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/291370/further-delay-possible-as-minister-asksfor-route-options-on-limerickcork-m20.html

Money has been allocated to move this through route selection in 2018. While this is good to see, money needs to be ramped up in coming years because it'll take around €160m to get this shovel ready and we really can't wait and watch as more people get killed on this joke of a road.

Water John

Used it often for a good many years. Very dangerous, absolutely no width in the road.

boardsuser1

marno21 wrote: »

Before you read this article, some of the work attributed to Bus Wanker is not true. As part of the Cork-Limerick upgrade, the next stage of the project is the route selection stage. There is a very high chance that the route selected will be to shadow the existing N20, unless there is political interference involved.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/291370/further-delay-possible-as-minister-asksfor-route-options-on-limerickcork-m20.html

Money has been allocated to move this through route selection in 2018. While this is good to see, money needs to be ramped up in coming years because it'll take around €160m to get this shovel ready and we really can't wait and watch as more people get killed on this joke of a road.

I’m waiting for people on other social media sites to come along and say “build it via Mitchelstown” nonsense again such as John P. Feehan.

cjpm

From the original M20 EIS...... (text bolded for Mr Feehan's benefit)


M20 Cork-Limerick Motorway Scheme
Environmental Impact Statement
Page 3.1 of 3.20

3.
Outline of Alternatives Considered

3.2
Early Feasibility Studies
3.2.1 Introduction
The initial tasks carried out by the project Design Team included the review and preparation of two feasibility studies to assess the choice of the corridor for upgrade of the N20 as part of the Atlantic Corridor. A brief synopsis of these studies is outlined below.

3.2.2
Cork to Limerick Route
Prefeasibility Report (2007)


This original study was undertaken in 2007 by Fehily Timony Gifford, following the NRA policy to provide a dual carriageway on the N20 route. Its objective was to investigate and report on options for the National
Primary Route connecting Limerick and Cork by two different corridors; the existing N20 (Western) Corridor, corresponding with the developing scheme, and an Eastern Corridor connecting Limerick to the N8 via the N24 near Clonmel. A variation to the Eastern Corridor, the Eastern Sub-corridor, connecting the N8 at Mitchelstown to the N20 at Charleville, was also considered. This Eastern Corridor would be accompanied by the upgrading of the N73 between Mallow and Mitchelstown into a high quality single carriageway route.

The corridor options were assessed in the original report by Fehily Timony Gifford as similar with respect to Physical Conditions (Constraints), Engineering Factors (buildability) and Environmental Factors (impacts).

Note that if it is accepted that Mallow needs to be connected directly to
the Atlantic Corridor, then all three corridor options must cross the River Blackwater cSAC.
The three factors that were found to differentiate between the corridors were Planning, Traffic and Economics.
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In terms of traffic, either corridor option could be used for long distance traffic based on similar route distances. This is not the same for short and medium distance traffic movements. In this case the Eastern Corridor would not attract significant volumes of traffic, as it does not pass through any of the key locations of population, industry or employment, such as Mallow, Charleville, Buttevant, Croom, Patrickswell and Blarney. The study also showed that only a relatively small proportion of the existing traffic on the N20 is travelling the full distance between Cork and Limerick or beyond. Therefore, only about 2,100 vehicles would be transferred to the Eastern Corridor, and the majority of traffic using the existing N20 (Western Corridor) will still use it or an improved version. Local and commuter trips are very significant along the N20 route. In particular, traffic from Mallow to Cork is very important, reaching volumes above 8,000 vehicles per day (adding flows not only between these two main population centres but traffic that is generated by intermediate zones inside that section). This volume would not be captured by the Eastern Corridor. The Western Corridor option still provides for the strategic long distance trips and provides a necessary upgrade to the existing N20 route tocater for significant traffic flows into the future.
•
Whilst on the face of it, the Eastern Corridor would require only 55km of new infrastructure compared with 80km on the Western Corridor, the issues of the need to upgrade the N73 (28km) and the need to
upgrade Mallow to Cork to dual-carriageway standard(29km) are not addressed. Given Mallow’s status as a ‘Hub Town’ together with Cork and Limerick/Shannon being ‘Gateways’ under the National Spatial Strategy, the Eastern Corridor cannot be considered in isolation. The economics of building the Eastern Corridor together with improvements Mallow/Cork and
Mallow/Mitchelstown together with the findings that less than 2,500 vehicles will switch from the N20 corridor do not justify the expenditure.
The Design Team reviewed this report and validated the conclusions reached in the original report. Therefore, both the pre-feasibility report undertaken by Fehily Timony Gifford and the updated report by Eptisa/WYG confirmed that only a western corridor option for the Limerick/Cork connection could attract traffic and meet the stated National, Regional and Local Area planning objectives. The Western Corridor is also more economically advantageous representing more value for money.

Limerick74

Further pre-announcements of the Capital Investment Plan in the Limerick Leader. Will they not just publish it? http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/291844/limerick-to-cork-motorway-excellent-news-for-locals-says-senator.html

Limerick74

Limerick74 wrote: »

Further pre-announcements of the Capital Investment Plan in the Limerick Leader. Will they not just publish it? http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/291844/limerick-to-cork-motorway-excellent-news-for-locals-says-senator.html

Looks like they did announce something http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2018/minister-announces-enhanced-roads-investment-%E2%82%AC486m-following-capital-review

betistuc

Another good reason to get this road and the M28 built

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/first-ever-direct-ferry-route-announced-from-ireland-to-spain-36493404.html

marno21

And so it begins..

Businessman Declan Corbett (who owns the Corbett Court restaurant along the N20 at Ballyhea, and the one on the old N8 near Fermoy frequented by toll dodgers) has started shouting rubbish about how a Limerick-Mitchelstown motorway would save €600m over the M20 via Mallow plan. According to him the savings could be used to dual Mallow-Cork and bypass Charleville. He also says upgrading the Limerick-Mitchelstown road is more important as it's a lesser road, and that the Limerick-Mitchelstown road could start "right away".

Here's him on the C103 morning show with his idea

https://soundcloud.com/cork103/business-man-declan-corbett-says-scrap-the-m20-plan-corktoday

which then got reported in the Mitchelstown paper

https://avondhupress.ie/motorway-via-mitchelstown-would-save-e600m/

and a follow up discussion on today's show with Sean Sherlock (52 minutes in)

https://soundcloud.com/cork103/corktoday-17-january-2018

Bazzer007

Will 600 million pay for a dual carriageway from Mallow to Cork, a Charleville & Buttevant bypass & the necessary improvements required to cater for increased traffic from Banogue to Charleville. I think not!!! Just another businessman with vested interests. We all reed to lobby our TD's & Councillors to ensure this type of tripe talk is squashed.

boardsuser1

https://twitter.com/CorkTruckDriver/status/953762482920873984


https://twitter.com/CorkTruckDriver/status/953762789004279808

AugustusMinimus

Why do people with such vested interests get airtime. It’s fairly obvious why he doesn’t want a motorway taking away his business.

The truth is that just about everyone along this corridor want and need this motorway. Sending it through Mitchelstown is over simplistic and is clearly a wrong decision.