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Berget 7 - 2009

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Conkey wrote: »
    WAHOOOO... We get our old "Bravo Two Zero" Boss back :p

    Just make sure he's got his watch set right this time ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭DevilsBreath


    Class

    wormbyte Elite suicide squad again :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    If we're to go all that way and spend all that money to get there, I want to be part of the platoon & section that hockeys anyone put in front of us.

    When do we start training? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    OzCam wrote: »
    If we're to go all that way and spend all that money to get there, I want to be part of the platoon & section that hockeys anyone put in front of us.

    When do we start training? :)

    I'm not gunning (no pun, I *swear*) for any sort of command position.

    Whatever platoon we're in will have a platoon commander and then several sections ('squads' if you're a yank), each of which will have a section leader.

    Going from this year's experience and guidance/direction/tutelage/etc. under wormbyte, each section will need one leader, one engineer, one MG (if available), and at least one medic.

    After that's been established, you need a buddy system; operating in two man fire-teams within the scope of your section. Obviously it's fluid as the situation dictates but you try to keep as cohesive a pairing as you can. Your MG team will need this in particular since the MG would typically get swapped between the two to share the load and keep the main gunner as "fresh" for a fight as possible.

    All of this may not all make sense until you see it in action. And I am of course open to correction :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    Lemming wrote: »
    Whatever platoon we're in will have a platoon commander and then several sections... each with a section leader.

    ... each section will need one leader, one engineer, one MG (if available), and at least one medic.

    After that's been established, you need a buddy system; operating in two man fire-teams within the scope of your section....
    Your MG team will need this in particular since the MG would typically get swapped between the two to share the load and keep the main gunner as "fresh" for a fight as possible.

    (Also sniper and OP/recce pairs. Eyes get tired focusing all the time, pairs need to take turns on the 'scopes.)

    Exactly. When do we start?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    Going by last year's photos, both MultiCam and AusCam will work just fine in that climate. Unless, of course, this year's terrain is substantially different, which is unlikely.

    The woodland camos, in particular MarPat, CatPat and the Danish looked to be a little dark for that area. They have too much black in the pattern.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Conkey


    Lemming or Jinko..

    Is Alan heading this year? If so I think we should drop in it / send an invit :D if he wishes to do it? He was a bloody good Squad leader in BE6. Really good at keeping us organized. Always knew what was going on. Great to work with. Fabulous hair and like long walks along the beach!!

    And Wormbyte (Ian) know he’s a good man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭kjsaw


    OzCam wrote: »
    Going by last year's photos, both MultiCam and AusCam will work just fine in that climate. Unless, of course, this year's terrain is substantially different, which is unlikely.

    The woodland camos, in particular MarPat, CatPat and the Danish looked to be a little dark for that area. They have too much black in the pattern.


    Auscam works reasonably well, Sweden's foliage during summer is greener and leafier then anything Auscam was designed for, but ultimately it works out OK. I can't speak for multicam as I don't use it.

    If I get around to it I will be replacing my issued auscam (1998 was a long time ago) with some new stuff in time for berget.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭kjsaw


    OzCam wrote: »
    (Also sniper and OP/recce pairs. Eyes get tired focusing all the time, pairs need to take turns on the 'scopes.)

    Exactly. When do we start?

    Snipers have some value at berget, but don't forget that most people playing dedicated sniper at berget would be in the M150 range, so be careful not to find yourself out ranged.

    In a previous part of this thread people mentioned doing upgrades for the game.... I would seriously suggest considering an m120 spring if you can run it. The range increase is noticeable and will keep you competitive.

    /k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    kjsaw wrote: »
    Snipers have some value at berget, but don't forget that most people playing dedicated sniper at berget would be in the M150 range, so be careful not to find yourself out ranged.

    In a previous part of this thread people mentioned doing upgrades for the game.... I would seriously suggest considering an m120 spring if you can run it. The range increase is noticeable and will keep you competitive.

    /k

    I would guess that the most important tools for the sniper at Berget will be the scope and the radio ;)

    As you know, we have legal problems with upgrades. Anyone wanting to do a spring replacement will have to do it on the train, which will probably not be a good idea, or at the game site itself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Conkey wrote: »
    Lemming or Jinko..
    Is Alan heading this year?

    I believe Alan is signed up (longbow) and on the player-list.

    As for me, I organise the travel info, not the fighting. There are a few others I'd think better at leading than I whom I wont name right now. Plus ... if I'm carrying the M60 I wont be in much of a position to command.

    kjsaw wrote: »
    Snipers have some value at berget, but don't forget that most people playing dedicated sniper at berget would be in the M150 range, so be careful not to find yourself out ranged.

    Fire and manoeuvre ;)

    Never play a sniper at their own game. They've got concealment, a magnified scope and probably range on you. They are however, unable to move without compromising themselves.
    In a previous part of this thread people mentioned doing upgrades for the game.... I would seriously suggest considering an m120 spring if you can run it. The range increase is noticeable and will keep you competitive.

    And to keep the moderators happy, any upgrade work above the 1 joule limit is of course being spoken of in context of Swedish law and being carried out in Sweden.

    Edit. OzCam beat me to that last bit. There are retailers at the game site who will carry out upgrades for you (for a fee of course).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭DevilsBreath


    be warned though. Quite a few people that got their gear upgraded had severe problems with it. Jamming, Not firing.......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭kjsaw


    Within the scope of talking about upgrades to be performed in Sweden and to be undone before leaving Sweden:

    Depending on location chosen for our base, and thus the facilities available, I would hope that we could provide a desk with appropriate tools somewhere near the HQ. I know of a number of pros at this upgrade game that could be asked to lend a helping hand from time to time. No promises on this at the moment, but it is something I would try to do to facilitate not only easy upgrades, but repairs in game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    The patches are in.

    They turned out great, and from 30m away they're almost invisible.

    19-11-08_1338.jpg
    Subdued Tricolour on Multicam

    I'll PM those who have expressed an interest already, but I have to ask the mods whether I can put up an advert and if so where.

    (Sorry about the crappy phone-camera photo, my Canon's away being fixed.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Hey Oz, I'll take one too.

    So Bergettent is the best way to go then...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Conkey


    Just a little post to let you know what you maybe letting yourself in for, before you part with your money or invest anymore money.;)

    Berget 6 :

    Cold - outdoor showers. And I mean cold!! I still remember the screams :eek:

    300 Players and five Porto-Loo's. Or as it was known on some days " Mount EverSh!ts". I kid you not! Some days it was poking over the rim. The Crew had nearly a full time job keeping them empty.

    Food and your innards.. You'll either be on the Run or Constipated. Bring stuff to keep you moving or to stop you going. :D

    Be prepared for the weather. It can go from mild to really bloody cold the space of a few minutes. Also it never really gets dark over there, it can freak some people out.

    There is a chain of command. Work with it. I find the experience is better when you have a good chain of command.

    Be prepared to walk... And walk.... And Walk some more. We will be given objectives to achieve and we may be able to get a lift from the company motor pool but don't count on it. Also be prepared to stay out for long times. They try to rotate you on a 4 to 6 hour in the field but we did a 14 hour day and that was mostly walking.

    Fire fights. In B6 India 1 (that's me and the rest of the Irish boys:D) were part of one of the longest battles in the game (correct me if I’m wrong??). 4 hour engagement, up hills and down again. It was bloody greats but this was four hours out of 24 day. The other 20 hour were chopped up between walking there walking back and vegging out a base camp. Be prepared to go nearly a whole day and never even see the enemy. It can happen, they try to avoid it but it can happen. First night of the game we were out about four to five hours and never saw the enemy.


    This all probably sound about as much fun as getting your foot caught in a bear trap but it really is. For anyone who want to know what it would be like to be out in the field and see what (kind of)real military life is like, this is the game for you. For those that think it is one big run and gun HRTA dayout / Hollywood war movie you might want to strongly consider the finical cost of the venture because you will be disappointed. Anyone who went to O.P.R II you know what it is like already, well almost. I did mention the walking!

    What I can say in closing is this. After the event we were stinking swore and oh so very very tired. Lemming came around to each of us and said, "would you come back next year". My answer was, "I'd go back right now":cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Conkey wrote: »
    Berget 6 :

    Cold - outdoor showers. And I mean cold!! I still remember the screams :eek:

    Well, they did have a time-period in which they could run the generators to provide hot water. The rest of the time it was cold showers and screams ;)
    You can also go down to the safe-zone for proper shower-blocks (pre-fab units)
    Be prepared for the weather. It can go from mild to really bloody cold the space of a few minutes. Also it never really gets dark over there, it can freak some people out.

    This is true, it got bloody freezing around 1am for about two/three hours before warming up again. You needed more than a tshirt and BDU top. A coat or thermal layer was needed as well.
    First night of the game we were out about four to five hours and never saw the enemy.

    They dropped us at the wrong LZ. We were wayyyyy out from where we were meant to be, hence no enemy patrols.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭kdouglas


    Lemming wrote: »


    This is true, it got bloody freezing around 1am for about two/three hours before warming up again. You needed more than a tshirt and BDU top. A coat or thermal layer was needed as well.


    Lets put bloody freezing in context....?

    Bloody freezing in comparison to the nice warmth of most of the day? (i.e. a coat would do the job) (15ish degrees Celsius)

    Bloody freezing like PR2 last week where I was wearing thermal layer + BDU's + Fleece parka? (0-5 degrees celsius)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    kdouglas wrote: »
    Lets put bloody freezing in context....?

    Bloody freezing in comparison to the nice warmth of most of the day? (i.e. a coat would do the job) (15ish degrees Celsius)

    Bloody freezing like PR2 last week where I was wearing thermal layer + BDU's + Fleece parka? (0-5 degrees celsius)

    Hmmmm, Somewhere in-between I think? I put on a thermal top (underarmour) underneath my tshirt and bdu top and that kept me pretty much ticking over comfortably. We were on base defense as well, so not being particularly energetic. Could have done with full-finger gloves though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    You mean we don't spend 5 days in the field? :eek:

    Probably just as well, my knee won't last for a 5-day march with a full pack.

    Some LRRP sounds like fun though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    In fairness, I doubht anyone here will be unfamiliar with the odd cold shower, port-a-loo or cold weather.

    Can't wait.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭gerrowadat


    Less than 2 weeks to get ticket paid up if you want to play NATO!

    http://www.swearing.org/bergetplayers.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭kjsaw


    Lemming wrote: »
    They dropped us at the wrong LZ. We were wayyyyy out from where we were meant to be, hence no enemy patrols.

    My fault :P we took the first right instead of the second..... Funny thing though, we dropped you right in front of the merc base, so if you had gone up the road we did drop you on there would have been more action then you could handle. We made the same mistake the next morning, except we walked up the road thinking it was the way to the SRP base... oops. I fired the navigator in the lead car after that ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    kjsaw wrote: »
    My fault :P we took the first right instead of the second..... Funny thing though, we dropped you right in front of the merc base, so if you had gone up the road we did drop you on there would have been more action then you could handle.

    Would have been an entertaining start to the festivities though ;)

    We moved up the road and then veered off right I think. Can't rightly recall now. Our orders were to locate a downed chopper and secure it if I recall. Which we never located. But we did rob a merc rocket :D

    Then we got hit by India 2 manning an FOP just outside the NATO base perimeter. Nothing like a spot of blue on blue and that safe word will live with me 'till my dying days. "Parrrrrrrrrrrrrma!!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭kjsaw


    This is a good objective assessment.

    - Cold showers.... You wee girl ;) (Before this berget showers had never been available)

    - I know the story behind the portaloo situation. At berget 5 we had more for less people, and it was fine. As I understand it, the order for the portaloo's went in too close to berget 6, so while they got everything that was available close by, it was not enough. I will be on them this year not to repeat the same mistake.

    - Food. I always live off some sort of ration pack, it has the benefit of blocking me up so the loo situation is not as big a problem. it is relatively easy to get fresh food if you have hired a car. otherwise it may be a bit of a hike into town unless you catch a ride somehow.... as the location varies each year at this point is is impossible to say how far away from civilization we will be.

    - Generally warm days, can be a bit cold in the morning, but at the same time, very humid in the tents. rain is possible, but so far we have always been pretty lucky.

    - Please do follow the chain of command, as you guys know from working with Ian, its goal is to function for the benefit of the players.

    - The game area was ~8 square km.... there is walking involved. Motor pool is planned to function a bit differently this year, being pure transport rather then part of a tactical unit, so it should get spread around a bit more (we will see). Next years game area will be at least as big.

    - Firefights can be hit and miss. Generally there are always memorable ones, and they can be of an intensity and scale you will have trouble finding elsewhere.


    Conkey wrote: »
    Just a little post to let you know what you maybe letting yourself in for, before you part with your money or invest anymore money.;)

    Berget 6 :

    Cold - outdoor showers. And I mean cold!! I still remember the screams :eek:

    300 Players and five Porto-Loo's. Or as it was known on some days " Mount EverSh!ts". I kid you not! Some days it was poking over the rim. The Crew had nearly a full time job keeping them empty.

    Food and your innards.. You'll either be on the Run or Constipated. Bring stuff to keep you moving or to stop you going. :D

    Be prepared for the weather. It can go from mild to really bloody cold the space of a few minutes. Also it never really gets dark over there, it can freak some people out.

    There is a chain of command. Work with it. I find the experience is better when you have a good chain of command.

    Be prepared to walk... And walk.... And Walk some more. We will be given objectives to achieve and we may be able to get a lift from the company motor pool but don't count on it. Also be prepared to stay out for long times. They try to rotate you on a 4 to 6 hour in the field but we did a 14 hour day and that was mostly walking.

    Fire fights. In B6 India 1 (that's me and the rest of the Irish boys:D) were part of one of the longest battles in the game (correct me if I’m wrong??). 4 hour engagement, up hills and down again. It was bloody greats but this was four hours out of 24 day. The other 20 hour were chopped up between walking there walking back and vegging out a base camp. Be prepared to go nearly a whole day and never even see the enemy. It can happen, they try to avoid it but it can happen. First night of the game we were out about four to five hours and never saw the enemy.


    This all probably sound about as much fun as getting your foot caught in a bear trap but it really is. For anyone who want to know what it would be like to be out in the field and see what (kind of)real military life is like, this is the game for you. For those that think it is one big run and gun HRTA dayout / Hollywood war movie you might want to strongly consider the finical cost of the venture because you will be disappointed. Anyone who went to O.P.R II you know what it is like already, well almost. I did mention the walking!

    What I can say in closing is this. After the event we were stinking swore and oh so very very tired. Lemming came around to each of us and said, "would you come back next year". My answer was, "I'd go back right now":cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭kjsaw


    Lemming wrote: »
    Would have been an entertaining start to the festivities though ;)

    We moved up the road and then veered off right I think. Can't rightly recall now. Our orders were to locate a downed chopper and secure it if I recall. Which we never located. But we did rob a merc rocket :D

    Then we got hit by India 2 manning an FOP just outside the NATO base perimeter. Nothing like a spot of blue on blue and that safe word will live with me 'till my dying days. "Parrrrrrrrrrrrrma!!"

    yeah if you veered off right from there you would skirt the edge of the merc base on your left and be on a bearing directly for the nato base. If it had gone to plan you would have passed the merc base on your right and headed into the right area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    Remind me to add a Map to the shopping list. I have a Silva NATO-standard compass already.

    A proper map, none of this American "feet and inches" thank you :)

    Of course, it's no use if the orders are wrong...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭kjsaw


    OzCam wrote: »
    Remind me to add a Map to the shopping list. I have a Silva NATO-standard compass already.

    A proper map, none of this American "feet and inches" thank you :)

    Of course, it's no use if the orders are wrong...

    The map provided at B7 will be created from a 50000:1 topographic map and given with an MGRS grid overlay (primary 1km grid squares with secondary 100meter grid squares.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,667 ✭✭✭Skatedude


    cold showers,? as stated, they did have generators for the showers, but they all stopped working te first day, they would make lots of noise, but didnt actually heat the water, this was apparently the case for all bases from who i talked too.(not sure about main safe zone) .they also turned them on at the strangest hours, (1am?)
    A much better idea was to bring a few wash cloths/small towells and heat some water up in a pan and have a good scrub as i did.

    You Will need a warm jacket, It does get very cold at night, not frosty, but cold enough tat a lot of people made makeshift scarves to cover their moths to try and keep warm, and if you are on guard duty at night, you will feel the cold.

    Repairs: i will be on hand to help with upgrades and repairs, as well as a few other i think, i ended up re-doing some peoples upgrades as they had problems.

    the maps we were given were almost useless, and didnt last very well, however there were very good maps posted around the wood as its a walking/hiking area, hopefully we can get a copy of one,

    I am planing to get an sl-8 for christmas and have it capable for 500fps+ (obviously not putting in sring til we get there)for berget when i get to sweden as well as my p90, but i wont be using te sniper all the time, so i'll loan it out if people want to try it.

    Later we will organise a list compiling these suggestions and recomendations.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    I've just realised that there's a slight technical problem with wearing AusCam at Berget. Australia isn't in NATO. ANZUS, yes, NATO no.

    So unless we're part of a NATO-led coalition :) we shouldn't really wear the ol' Jellybean.

    K, what do you think?


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