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Interesting comment from Lt Col Toby Evans - a military advisor with the Government's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory

Current woodland DPM perfect in woods
Current desert DPM perfect in desert

New MTP "It may not be quite perfect, but its good enough for everything,"

In other words ons size fits all cammo:rolleyes:

Expect loads of surplus DPM next year which is perfect for here

Puding

Expect loads of surplus DPM next year which is perfect for here

not as if dpm is rare at all, the surplus market is pretty much awash with the stuff

ZeroSignal

MTP looks like good stuff. Hopefully a team will get stuck in and do a proper modern UK team with MTP camo + L85A2 replicas. It would be a damn sight more interesting than the typical Multi-Cam/MarPat + M4 spamola you usually see.

Masada

Thats defo multicam those brit soldiers are wearing., I have the High res pic of it somewhere.,

Kick in the teeth for the multicam haters who claim its a load of propaganda though., If its real it'll be a big improvement over the desert DPM at least.,

Masada

Viva are releasing the Silenced version of the Sten.,:)
http://www.vivaarms.com/

Puding

been out for a will know just never really made it into the lime light due to the acm clone i had hoped acm would have a clone out by know but the problems in china seems to have put pay to that ( the barrel always seemed to short on the viva for the mark 2 i believe? )

Masada

Really? I hadnt seen it other that the pics in the catalogue that comes with the first one.,


These look handy, I'd love a black or OD one.,
http://www.ebairsoft.com/james-head-multihood-desert-marpat-p-2793.html


http://www.ebairsoft.com/james-head-multihood-p-2792.html

Puding

just had a look it was about september/october we got them offered for sale, but for the price people went for the acm

OzCam

That MTP looks exactly like the DPM screens with MultiCam colours. Win.

I'm glad they didn't use that hybrid pattern from the PECOC project, the green was far too bright.


So Richie, it's been announced a couple of hours now, is it cloned and up on EBB yet?

Gatling

Give it a year or 2 an you will be able to pick up a full set of crye british issue gear for the price of the cheap ebb version

Puding

OzCam wrote: »

That MTP looks exactly like the DPM screens with MultiCam colours. Win.

I'm glad they didn't use that hybrid pattern from the PECOC project, the green was far too bright.


So Richie, it's been announced a couple of hours now, is it cloned and up on EBB yet?

come on its a sunday, they need at least 48 hours

Masada

They'll be made in a few hours id say.,

As for the brit stuff though, its very likely it will be produced under licence from Cyre, maybe but the existing makers of brit DPM as opposed to being directly manufactured by them., Crye original gear is stupidly expensive and they are licensing others to make it nowadays anyway .,:)

gerrowadat

It's a weird colour, the flecking makes it look like some cheap chinese multicam copies I've seen :-)

Gatling

who looks happy to be dressed like a yank

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copied from the telegraph
The design is derived from a camouflage called MultiCam, which was developed by an American company, Crye Precision, in association with the US Army. However, it was not ultimately adopted by Washington for its main uniform, although some units may still use it in the future. It is now available commercially and is used by sports gunmen

Masada

Gatling wrote: »

who looks happy to be dressed like a yank

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd153/GDarcy/mtp_comparison.jpg

You,

:P

OzCam

Torygraph fails again!

I'd guess Richie is bang on: Crye will licence the pattern and the current fabric manufacturers will reuse their screens with the M/C inks. And IRR treatments, they're big into that lately.

I only found out yesterday that the current desert DPM uses 2 of the 4 original DPM screens (but with just one ink of course). C&S has a good article this month on how it was developed; the original "back of an envelope" story was about right.

Edit: the MTP isn't just the DPM pattern with new inks... it's got fades in it, just like MultiCam. Oh, and this also means that digital DPM gets the chop. Jolly good show!

Stonewolf

I didn't like Digital DPM much, my mag pouches are in it which it's ok for but over a large area the repeat is very very noticeable, even more so than standard DPM.

Masada

Heres a video of the British Army talking about it.,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8422942.stm

Who'd of thunk it! the brits bigging up the "gucci-cam" that doesnt work.,:eek:

Gatling

Wearing MC since 2007:D

US Army camo trials in afghanistan

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from left: AOR II, current UCP, Multicam, Desert Brush, UCP-Delta and Mirage.

Puding

Who'd of thunk it! the brits bigging up the "gucci-cam" that doesnt work.,

knowing the mod they more than likely got a few container loads on the cleap as no one else wanted it

Masada

Ehobby now have the Magpul BAD lever on their site.,
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/accessories/other-accessories/magpul-pts-b-a-d-lever-for-we-m4-m16-gbb-systema-ptw.html

Shiva

Masada wrote: »

Who'd of thunk it! the brits bigging up the "gucci-cam" that doesnt work.,:eek:

The MOD have obviously been infiltrated by Taliban sleepers at a very high level, and its all a plot to reduce the efficiency of British forces in Afghanistan.

StevieGriff

Ares LMG
Ares WA2000
Ares PPhs1
All up for pre-order on Redwolf.

defenderdude

StevieGriff wrote: »

Ares LMG
Ares WA2000
Ares PPhs1
All up for pre-order on Redwolf.

What are Redwolf like for shipping efficiency and prices in general?

Shiva

defenderdude wrote: »

What are Redwolf like for shipping efficiency and prices in general?

One of the fastest, if not the fastest at shipping and processing, but I find their shipping costs are a little more expensive than people like RSOV and eHobby. But not by much...a tenner or so in most cases for a RIF or something of equal size and weight.

Phractal

Hmmm do want the WA2000. I wonder when aftermarket and replacement bits will hit the market... When that happens I will consider buying. The brit camo thing... When was the last time the MOD bought the right product? Way back with the FAL. The SA80 was a fail, and I see that now they are buying MultiSham camo or whatever other Uber Gucci **** it is that they are buying. My faith is in the Fleck! German engineering FTW. Is the KSC MP7 GBB out yet?

Leftyflip

It's been out quite a while now...

bullets

I'd love a WA2000 but too expensive for me. Prays for a clone!
Think I read someplace before there was less that only between 170-200
Real steel ones ever made is several varients.

Redwolf yeah WOW you feel the sting when it comes to shipping costs
but found them fantastic to deal with and to answer queries about their products. twice my credit card company got spooked when I ordered from them though and they locked my card and issued me with a new number,
which was an inconvenience.

~B

gungun

iirc only 176 WA2000s were made, stopped due to cost
now i think the real ones go for about $70,000 to $80,000
the ares one would be nice, but id say it would look crap once the wood gets scratched and chipped IMO

Puding

but id say it would look crap once the wood gets scratched and chipped IMO

god forbid anything should look used