Prison Officer

senordingdong

I don't think the new entrants pay would be as bad if they didn't have to fork out for so much for fuel and digs.

twowheelsonly

bitter_lemon wrote: »

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The three things that caught my eye were rent allowance, shop allowance and court escort. Whats the story with the court escort allowance? Do they mean they won't pay new recruits for "working" through their dinner break? ie breakfast, dinner and tea allowance? I thought that couldn't be stopped as you have to watch your prisoner at all times. They ain't bloody cutting the prisoners meal allowance when in court!
I may have this wrong. Could someone please clarify? This makes no sense to cut court allowances.

As far as I can see it's the 'Officer In Charge of Escort' allowance that's being cut in that instance and not the meal allowance.

bitter_lemon

Oh right twowheels. All the grief and no reward. Thats makes no sense either. But sure what does these days?

Heard on the radio this morning legislation entitled "The Assaults on Emergency Workers Bill 2012" is being published today. About time! It will be debated in the Dail. Minimum jail sentences for those convicted of assault or threatening the life of an emergency worker - garda, fire brigade, ambulance, nurse or prison officer - will see them getting to serve at least five years in prison. They better not make them concurrent! Because then theres not much point for us...

But still if they were serving a lesser sentence at the time it would be great. Because lets face it - theres no deterrent at the moment.

Edit - surprise surprise it was opposed.

480905

bitter_lemon wrote: »

surprise surprise it was opposed.

It goes to prove something I've been saying for years. Politicians in the past listened to public servants because we had a MASSIVE vote count, now they don't give a fcuk because they have already been told by Brussels to rein in the payments to public servants.If they provide to the EU coffers they will be looked after in the future. They want to Privatise the whole fcuking lot... I've said this for years.... Look at the "security guards" on the Luas... They're oly the beginning.

Ski86

Hey lads only new on this just a quick question if any1 cud give me little help I done the interview in February and got my email conforming I had passed Interview which was very happy I won't say exactly where I came but was in top 10 In order of merit so very happy I no theres not a exact time set but has anybody heard anything at all even roughly a time we wud be getting called for medical??cheers thanks

sodbuster77

Ski86 wrote: »

Hey lads only new on this just a quick question if any1 cud give me little help I done the interview in February and got my email conforming I had passed Interview which was very happy I won't say exactly where I came but was in top 10 In order of merit so very happy I no theres not a exact time set but has anybody heard anything at all even roughly a time we wud be getting called for medical??cheers thanks

I haven't heard anything mate. I wouldn't be sitting around waiting on a call if I were you. With the new PASO grades starting its going to put a few more staff on the floor and add that to some posts being cut its unlikely they'll be starting any classes soon.

Ski86

sodbuster77 wrote: »

I haven't heard anything mate. I wouldn't be sitting around waiting on a call if I were you. With the new PASO grades starting its going to put a few more staff on the floor and add that to some posts being cut its unlikely they'll be starting any classes soon.

Cheers yeah was kind of thinking that alright it's just bit frustrating after hearing great news back in April about the interview and since then have not heard a word from anybody..ah well sure ill just have to wait and hopefully next year at sum stage they will be taking lads in for training

cordub

Well what do you all think about the programme abpout Wheatfeild ???A true reflection of the job or not ??

sodbuster77

cordub wrote: »

Well what do you all think about the programme abpout Wheatfeild ???A true reflection of the job or not ??

It's a realistic portrayal of daily life in the jail but we all know there are other issues that will never see the light of day.

senordingdong

Hand picked lags and warders...not really fly on the wall stuff.

Leo Demidov

senordingdong wrote: »

Hand picked lags and warders...not really fly on the wall stuff.

Ah, the bitter warden!

elainecostello

Hi there, Hooch gave me permission to post on the thread in relation to a research project being conducted in NUI Galway with Dr. John Bogue (one of the post-incident care providers in Cork and Limerick prisons) on the experiences of working as a prison officer.

We are inviting prison officers to participate in a study on the experience of ongoing pain (linked to physical injury and working in stressful occupations). We are interested in how people who are experiencing pain cope with this on a daily basis. The aim of the study is to look at the prevalence and impact of these experiences for prison officers and to formally look at whether these issues are a particular risk in the profession. We would hope that the results of the study will be published and will be helpful in raising awareness of any findings that may emerge. Taking part involves completing an anonymous, online questionnaire taking approximately ten minutes which can be found at the following link https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/prisonofficers

Your participation is very valuable. Many thanks for allowing me to post on the forum.
Elaine Costello (e.costello11@nuigalway.ie)

bitter_lemon

hello elaine

have to say good survey. i'm not really a partaker in surveys and i don't really believe in statistics or whatnot but i filled that one in. its good at least that SOMEONE is taking an interest - it can't do any harm.
just a bit of feedback - some of your questions were repeated and a small bit misleading. i've been out a good bit after a serious injury on duty.
you might have put in a few questions there of how management supported you in your trauma etc

or also how physically you are doing now and how your original trauma effected you and how you are doing now because there seems to be no room for improvement there.

or what about reintegration back into the workplace? because lets face it if a scumbag gets brought to blanch shopping centre as part of his reintegration into society i think i would like to go to JD sports to buy a pair of runners no? i need reintegration!!!

but still fair play. i just need to readjust to the crap - its early days yet

elainecostello

Thanks for your interest and feedback. I understand what you mean about some of the questions feeling a bit repetitive, it's because we used standardised questionnaires (they give more solid results) to design the survey and some had similar items - I'll have a look and see if I can make it a little more user-friendly
The items you mentioned are definitely interesting and would reflect a lot of what other respondents have had to say as well. The study is the first to look at these issues among prison officers so we are learning a lot about what other questions need to be asked from people's feedback - which is greatly appreciated! Hope the recovery is going well.

The study is at:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/prisonofficers

480905

Elaine, why don't you just John. He's been around Prison Officers for years, providing counseling to staff through the EAP/SSO service. If anybody knows about the stress of the job it's him.

Just a thought

elainecostello

Thanks for the comment. As you mentioned, John has been working with members of the profession for a number of years and the current study really originated from John's observations during the course of this work. The aim of the study was to take a more formal look at these issues (to complement the informal observations) and the impact that they may have for people. The survey is an attempt to put statistics, numbers etc. on an experience that we know through anecdote is very relevant for prison officers. We would hope that having this type of data would highlight these experiences from a scientific perspective.


The survey is still open at https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/prisonofficers
It is completely anonymous and takes about ten minutes to complete. Your responses are really valuable and the more responses, the more weight the results will have. Thanks again for your interest.
Elaine

480905

480905 wrote: »

Elaine, why don't you just John. He's been around Prison Officers for years, providing counseling to staff through the EAP/SSO service. If anybody knows about the stress of the job it's him.

Just a thought

Why don't you ask John is what I meant.
Sorry
Completed the survey. It didn't like me. finished very quickly.

cavan4sam

Hi again
Has anyone from the RPO 2008 received an email from the PASO about filling grade 3 positions ?

Apparently the panel we are on at the minute is due to expire soon , personally i've no interest in a grade 3 pen pushing job (no disrespect to anyone in that position) but its not for me

However i am a little disappointed that they would finish the current panel whilst the selection process had not been completed
I know that the IPS have no control over this , i'm not sure if i would have made it as far as being offered a job, but if it is the case i'm disappointed for those candidates who are above me on the recruitment panel

Yourwellcum

cavan4sam wrote: »

Hi again
Has anyone from the RPO 2008 received an email from the PASO about filling grade 3 positions ?

Apparently the panel we are on at the minute is due to expire soon , personally i've no interest in a grade 3 pen pushing job (no disrespect to anyone in that position) but its not for me

However i am a little disappointed that they would finish the current panel whilst the selection process had not been completed
I know that the IPS have no control over this , i'm not sure if i would have made it as far as being offered a job, but if it is the case i'm disappointed for those candidates who are above me on the recruitment panel

You should be aware that the Unions and management have been discussing the possibility of PASOs becoming full POs at some point should they wish to change over at some point.

For those intent on becoming POs and possibly being offered the opportunity to become PASOs I would not dismiss it out of hand. the chances of there being any sort of recruitment into the PO ranks in the next year or two is extremely slim and this may be a back door of sorts.

Just something to consider

Redsunset

It comes across as very unfair to have to undergo another interview after already passing the RPO interview etc.

Your basically going from almost starting a job to applying again with no guarantees.

Royal Seahawk

cavan4sam wrote: »

Hi again
Has anyone from the RPO 2008 received an email from the PASO about filling grade 3 positions ?

Apparently the panel we are on at the minute is due to expire soon , personally i've no interest in a grade 3 pen pushing job (no disrespect to anyone in that position) but its not for me

However i am a little disappointed that they would finish the current panel whilst the selection process had not been completed
I know that the IPS have no control over this , i'm not sure if i would have made it as far as being offered a job, but if it is the case i'm disappointed for those candidates who are above me on the recruitment panel

Just to clarify, have you received an email from the IPS saying that because you're on the panel for PO you are now being offered the chance to apply for PASO, or are you just speculating?

cavan4sam

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Just to clarify, have you received an email from the IPS saying that because you're on the panel for PO you are now being offered the chance to apply for PASO, or are you just speculating?

i have received an email stating that they were contacting individuals who had reached the final stages of RPO but had not been offered a position
it also said should you be appointed to PASO you may be considered for RPO when the IPS seek to fill vacancies in the future

senordingdong

That's daft.

The public service PASO grades should be used to allow public servants see out their service and ultimately be replaced by cheaper civilians.

cordub

senordingdong wrote: »

That's daft.

The public service PASO grades should be used to allow public servants see out their service and ultimately be replaced by cheaper civilians.[/QUOTE As per usual the rules change half way through, this is an underhanded way of recruiting new people at a lower rate of pay and probably with the unions go ahead too disgraceful:mad::mad::mad:

senordingdong

cordub wrote: »

senordingdong wrote: »

That's daft.

The public service PASO grades should be used to allow public servants see out their service and ultimately be replaced by cheaper civilians.[/QUOTE As per usual the rules change half way through, this is an underhanded way of recruiting new people at a lower rate of pay and probably with the unions go ahead too disgraceful:mad::mad::mad:

But have you seen the PASO salaries!?
They're not in anyway on a lower rate.

cordub

senordingdong wrote: »

cordub wrote: »

But have you seen the PASO salaries!?
They're not in anyway on a lower rate.

I never realised that , i thought they were paid less and that they werent paid allowences or the same rate for ah , my wrong ;)

senordingdong

Yeah, in the case of most of them they got to carry over their salaries from before, and we saw on Iris last month, competition for Paso 1 competition was up for about €68k at the time.

cordub

senordingdong wrote: »

Yeah, in the case of most of them they got to carry over their salaries from before, and we saw on Iris last month, competition for Paso 1 competition was up for about €68k at the time.

well holy god and i was only talking to a paso last week and he told me he was only after loosing a bit of money by changing to the prison , the big fibber :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

senordingdong

Well **** me what was he earning before to sit on his hole and fanny about with paper work?

cordub

senordingdong wrote: »

Well **** me what was he earning before to sit on his hole and fanny about with paper work?

lol and still 2 staff up in the office helping them