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    #3452
    Lawros Tache
    Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Lawros Tache


    pada1981 wrote: »
    take a look in the mirror??? dont want to get into this, please talk about the job and not people on boards.ie

    Chill out bud, was just winding you up... that's how it goes isn't it?


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    #3453
    rogieop
    Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭rogieop


    dark humour wha?!


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    #3454
    senordingdong
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    In other news...
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0321/allowances.html

    I wonder will they take it from everybody or just target new recruits.


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    #3455
    Lawros Tache
    Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Lawros Tache


    senordingdong wrote: »
    In other news...
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0321/allowances.html

    I wonder will they take it from everybody or just target new recruits.

    I think it'll be percentage reductions over the next few years (10%, 5%, 5% etc.) with the elimination of certain allowances completely.
    Really can't see (fingers crossed) them eliminating the likes of Rent Allowance in one fell swoop.
    Would amount to huge pay-cut in everything but name and would almost certainly result in industrial action.


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    #3456
    pada1981
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭pada1981


    rogieop wrote: »
    dark humour wha?!

    bleedin jailers wha???


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    #3457
    senordingdong
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Lawros Tache wrote: »
    Would amount to huge pay-cut in everything but name and would almost certainly result in industrial action.

    I wonder if they even realise how important and dependant some staff are on the allowances. That taking them could incur industrial action. Probably not.


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    #3458
    killabban182
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭killabban182


    The union will not go down the road of a strike because if you go on strike the your terms of employment can be changed while you are on strike, and you will come back to work under different conditions.


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    #3459
    Yourwellcum
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Yourwellcum


    killabban182 wrote: »
    The union will not go down the road of a strike because if you go on strike the your terms of employment can be changed while you are on strike, and you will come back to work under different conditions.
    I think you are incorrect about this


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    #3460
    Lawros Tache
    Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Lawros Tache


    killabban182 wrote: »
    The union will not go down the road of a strike because if you go on strike the your terms of employment can be changed while you are on strike, and you will come back to work under different conditions.

    I'm not so sure this is correct either, although i must admit i'm no employment law expert.

    It doesn't make sense they would do so in a legitimate industrial action, otherwise why dont employers do it every time there is a strike?

    If that were the case employers would surely "encourage" workers to strike as they could completely alter their conditions in the employer's favour while they were out?

    Even if it were the case, would the strike not just continue until the new conditions were reversed?

    And if it were the case, then maybe it might work in a manufacturing industry where the employer could just pack up and open somewhere else, but not in an essential front-line service. The strike would simply continue, with guards and army running the jail on 24/7 overtime rates (plus allowances!).
    There would also be uproar among the prisoner population, locked up for longer periods with seriously curtailed access to shop, phones & visits. So it would only be in the management's interest to have the officers return to work as quickly and with as less hassle as possible, not to wind them up further.

    Doesn't make sense...


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    #3461
    Rawhead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    Lawros Tache wrote: »
    I'm not so sure this is correct either, although i must admit i'm no employment law expert.

    It doesn't make sense they would do so in a legitimate industrial action, otherwise why dont employers do it every time there is a strike?

    If that were the case employers would surely "encourage" workers to strike as they could completely alter their conditions in the employer's favour while they were out?

    Even if it were the case, would the strike not just continue until the new conditions were reversed?

    And if it were the case, then maybe it might work in a manufacturing industry where the employer could just pack up and open somewhere else, but not in an essential front-line service. The strike would simply continue, with guards and army running the jail on 24/7 overtime rates (plus allowances!).
    There would also be uproar among the prisoner population, locked up for longer periods with seriously curtailed access to shop, phones & visits. So it would only be in the management's interest to have the officers return to work as quickly and with as less hassle as possible, not to wind them up further.

    Doesn't make sense...

    I have to disagree with you there. If you ask any of the lads who where around in '88 they will tell you that when they returned they returned under the governments terms. We lost the strike in 1988. As regards the cost of the Gardai and army replacing us, it would be minimal. They would flood every jail with soldiers, put in 20 guards and 2 sergeants at most. The army would not be paid extra for the prison duty and they would use due on guards if possible. They would give the lags everything they wanted same as they did in '88. The majority of chiefs and all governors would scab, same as '88. The public wouldn't give a **** about us being locked out and we would go back with our tails between our legs on vastly inferior terms.

    The Gardai would also spend the next 6 months sending postcards from various exotic locations thanking the warders for the OT which paid for the holiday, same as '88.

    Sometimes the warder has this view that people actually care about prisons or prisoners. The only people who care about lags are their families and these are not the kind of people who have any influence over the media or government by and large. The general public only care about prisons when some clown in IPS transfers a convicted Garda killer to Loughlin House and he walks out the gate.


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    #3462
    Lawros Tache
    Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Lawros Tache


    Many good points there RawHead, i wasn't around in '88 so can't comment but bow to your superior knowledge on the subject and what you said makes sense.

    I am under no illusions as to the public's attitudes towards us. The chances of a strike being sucessful would certainly be minimal but we just cant keep taking these hits.
    They are absolutely going to rape us as soon as the Croke Park Agreement comes to an end in 2014, not to mention anything they will implement in the mean-time.

    Allowances are an obvious choice;

    i) due to the cost savings which could be made,

    ii) easily sold to the public since they are ignorant of the details and certain "ridiculous" allowances detract from the larger issue, &

    iii) they are effectively pay-cuts without breaching the CPA

    At some stage you just have to stand up for yourself, whatever the consequences.


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    #3463
    Rawhead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    I wasn't around in '88 myself but I know the story of what happened. I agree that we have to shout stop at some point and I guess the allowances could be that point. There is no doubt that management now take the view that we are down and that they are driving in the boot. The last few harassment letters from HR clearly prove that.

    I just feel that if we are going to take them on then we need to do it as a united front. There is no doubt that the 24/7 alliance scared the government. You might be able run the jails with soldiers and mules but you cannot run all the hospitals, fire stations and everything else. If they tackle the allowances hopefully it will remobilise the alliance and then we have a genuine chance of winning the cause.


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    #3464
    mufc2011
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭mufc2011


    everyone waiting on interview results they hope to send them out next week there was some sort of delay with them.


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    #3465
    killabban182
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭killabban182


    Best of luck to anyone waiting on interview results. But remember its never too late to back out, dont do it!:eek::eek:


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    #3466
    Angus MacGyver
    Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭Angus MacGyver


    mufc2011 wrote: »
    everyone waiting on interview results they hope to send them out next week there was some sort of delay with them.

    The results were probably on a laptop which was stolen and covered up and all results were pulled out of a hat. Same recruitment process as previous campaigns.


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    #3467
    brigal
    Registered Users Posts: 45 ✭brigal


    mufc2011 wrote: »
    everyone waiting on interview results they hope to send them out next week there was some sort of delay with them.

    Cheers,
    Did you ring them?


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    #3468
    mufc2011
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭mufc2011


    brigal wrote: »
    Cheers,
    Did you ring them?
    emailed them they said they hope to have them issued next week..youd wonder is it the hastle worth it


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    #3469
    killabban182
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭killabban182


    Yourwellcum wrote: »
    I think you are incorrect about this

    If you are going out on strike it is most likely the Dept. is trying to change your terms of work, and WHEN you return it is likely to be on their terms, like in 88


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    #3470
    Yourwellcum
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Yourwellcum


    killabban182 wrote: »
    Yourwellcum wrote: »
    I think you are incorrect about this

    If you are going out on strike it is most likely the Dept. is trying to change your terms of work, and WHEN you return it is likely to be on their terms, like in 88

    That's not what you said above


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    #3471
    cavan4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    anyone get any post yet ????


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    #3472
    mufc2011
    Registered Users Posts: 47 ✭mufc2011


    cavan4sam wrote: »
    anyone get any post yet ????
    nothing you?there hopeless


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    #3473
    sodbuster77
    Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭sodbuster77


    mufc2011 wrote: »
    cavan4sam wrote: »
    anyone get any post yet ????
    nothing you?there hopeless
    Lads gets used to it! That's the way the public sector operate.


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    #3474
    cavan4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    sodbuster77 wrote: »
    Lads gets used to it! That's the way the public sector operate.

    not so sure bout that i work in the public sector and i remember the recruitment process being a lot more straight forward but maybe that was at local level


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    #3475
    brigal
    Registered Users Posts: 45 ✭brigal


    This waiting is getting fairly boring


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    #3476
    480905
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    brigal wrote: »
    This waiting is getting fairly boring


    The only time you don't have to wait for a letter in the Prison Service ,is when you've done something wrong, or they're writing to you about sick leave or they're taking increments off you or issuing you with a code of discipline.... They hit you with those all too quickly. . So if you're waiting for good news... you'll be waiting. Don't think there's going to be a class this year though.


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    #3477
    brigal
    Registered Users Posts: 45 ✭brigal


    Emails are in, got mine just now, good news


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    #3478
    Near_cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Near_cavan


    Got my email too. Very good news. Anyone have any idea on when the physical might be? I got ranked fairly high. Fairly happy with that.


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    #3479
    Rathdaler
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Rathdaler


    Anyone have an idea how many were interviewed or how many are recruited per training class?


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    #3480
    MIRMIR82
    Registered Users Posts: 658 ✭✭✭MIRMIR82


    Rathdaler wrote: »
    I was ranked **. Anyone have an idea how many were interviewed or how many are recruited per training class?

    As far as i know there's about 20 in a class - usually they train 2 classes at a time ie.40


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    #3481
    brigal
    Registered Users Posts: 45 ✭brigal


    do they re-rank after physical?


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