Big clamp down on MP3 & DVD piracy in the UK. Ireland will follow.

BaconZombie

Anti-Piracy Evidence Put in Doubt by Leecher

UK File-Sharers and the “Wireless Defense”

Open WiFi network viable defense against infringement charge—at least in Germany


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# => MAC addresses are dropped by routers so they do not leave you local network {your ISP can;t see them except for Cable Modem users}, also they are VERY easy to change and/or spoof.

# => The current packet-shaping hardware use fuzzing to "see inside" encrypted packets, some US ISP are not just doing the cheaper think of slowing ALL encrypted traffic.

# => Peerguardian only block KNOWN bad {*PAA, FBI, CIA, police, etc} and this still does not stop them monitor from unlisted IP or just seized the trackers Server and getting the info from the logs.

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Only kids and noobs use torrents or *shudder* limewire.....
The originals old-school way is still the best, acoustic coupler and sounds card....

BaconZombie

ALL Irish ISP's dropped their local newsgroups servers years ago...

bedlam wrote: »

Which can't prove who behind the router was doing the downloading. Then again I'm not sure whether saying someone hijacked your Open WiFi connection is enough to exonerate you.



A number of US states have already cracked down on usenet under the guise of stamping out kiddie porn by removing access to the alt.binary hierarchy. It's bound to spread to other countries eventually.

Run_to_da_hills

Elessar wrote: »

Is tracking your IP and internet use not a breach of privacy?

Technically "yes" but the authorities have ways and means around this, they can breach any privacy if they suspect "terrorism" or "child porn". They have the right to snoop through anything on your computer and can do from a remote source any time you are on line if they suspect you. What ever you think you have to block any authorities from snooping through your PC they will be one up on you.

That’s why I cannot understand why people are so thick to use the same PC for browsing on line and also for storing 100's of gigs of illegal MP3s and DVDs,

BaconZombie

Garda powers of request for internet data to be widened

the proposed legislation now seeks a 12-month retention period rather than the two years allowable under the EU directive.

Under the draft statutory instrument, retained data would include names of those who sent and received e-mails, computer addresses, the location of computer users, the times a user logged on and off a computer, and the size of files and e-mails sent and received, but not the content of e-mails.

Currently, the Garda can obtain telephone and mobile call data with no restrictions at all, a situation that has been repeatedly criticised by Data Protection Commissioner Billy Hawkes and national and international privacy advocacy groups.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/0422/1208469022709.html

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Technically "yes" but the authorities have ways and means around this, they can breach any privacy if they suspect "terrorism" or "child porn". They have the right to snoop through anything on your computer and can do from a remote source any time you are on line if they suspect you. What ever you think you have to block any authorities from snooping through your PC they will be one up on you.

That’s why I cannot understand why people are so thick to use the same PC for browsing on line and also for storing 100's of gigs of illegal MP3s and DVDs,

BaconZombie

They already have "Anti-Piracy" taxes on CDR and DVDRW in Ireland.
Canada have huge taxes on CDR, DVDR/W, HD, MP3, etc and it does not work. NONE of the money has made it was to the artist, it the record companies, *PAA and alike that are keeping it all.

Plus the only way the "taxing" will work is it after you pay the tax you can copied, download and share what every you want with no risk of been sued or fined.

Mr.S wrote: »

just read this :



http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/music-industry-to-tax-downloaders-875757.html

thoughts? i'd have no problem paying 20-30£ for unlimited downloading of copyrighted material..

BaconZombie

Canada's copyright agency has OK'd the downloading of copyrighted music from Peer to Peer networks
"Three years ago Canada's copyright board imposed a levies on blank media. The cost is 21 cents per blank CD-R data or CD-RW disk, or 77 cents per blank CD-R Audio disc. The new fees for fixed media players are $2 for each device under 1 GB, $15 for devices 1-10 Gbs, and $25 for devices over 10 Gbs."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/12/13/canada_oks_p2p_music_downloads/

But the tax was found to be illegal,

While the Copyright Board of Canada is indeed permitted by Canada's Copyright Act to tax sales of blank media, the terms of the Act do not allow it to levy a similar fee from MP3 player makers, Mr Justice Marc Noël said.

Judge Noël admitted that the Board was acting from an understandable desire to recompense copyright holders for revenue lost when copies of their work are downloaded from P2P networks, but crucially "the authority for doing so still has to be found in the Act", he said.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/17/canada_ipod_tax_illegal/

Mr.S wrote: »

but thats only a few euro, if even, this would be 30£ per person, so a lot more money would be made if its ever introduced, though i dont see how they call tell who would get the most money..

slipss

psshh, so whats the big deal, can't everyone just rip the music from youtube or one of the other thousands of sites that music gets posted on instead of using file sharing networks? Takes about the same amount of time and you are garaunteed good quality. (or am I missing the point somehow?)

Run_to_da_hills

slipss wrote: »

psshh, so whats the big deal, can't everyone just rip the music from youtube or one of the other thousands of sites that music gets posted on instead of using file sharing networks? Takes about the same amount of time and you are garaunteed good quality. (or am I missing the point somehow?)

ALL UTube information must be withheld for up to 5 years, this include your personal profile, IP address, location, server, proxy server, wifi, etc what you browsed, downloaded, favourites etc. The authorities have access to ALL this data. You would be a sitting duck downloading illegal stuff from UTube.

The Recent Viacom case is only the tip of the iceburg on who has access to Internet information.

The Muppet

jester77 wrote: »

Meh, always ways round these things. Cubit is an interesting open source project that provides decentralized approximate keyword search of torrents.

I had a look at Cubit, It doesn't protect you in any way , it's really just for searching for torrents.

Mossy Monk

slipss wrote: »

Takes about the same amount of time and you are garaunteed good quality. (or am I missing the point somehow?)

I have my doubts.

slipss

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

ALL UTube information must be withheld for up to 5 years, this include your personal profile, IP address, location, server, proxy server, wifi, etc what you browsed, downloaded, favourites etc. The authorities have access to ALL this data. You would be a sitting duck downloading illegal stuff from UTube.

The Recent Viacom case is only the tip of the iceburg on who has access to Internet information.

But can thery actually tell that you downloaded the music from you tube? I mean, I know they would be able to tell you viewed it, but viewing it is not illegal. They can't tell wether you have downloaded it though, unless they actually gert accsess to your physical computer. Or at least thats what I always thought? But I'm wrong again yes?

Jumpy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

ALL UTube information must be withheld for up to 5 years, this include your personal profile, IP address, location, server, proxy server, wifi, etc what you browsed, downloaded, favourites etc. The authorities have access to ALL this data. You would be a sitting duck downloading illegal stuff from UTube.

The Recent Viacom case is only the tip of the iceburg on who has access to Internet information.

Source?
Please stop quoting crap.

What you are referring to (and only a small part of it) is only if you use youtube with an account, and it is youtubes inability to remove copyrighted content is what they are against here, and to some extent those that upload. The sheer volume of streamed content on youtube makes it a barrier to identify downloaders.
Please turn on your brain before posting. Viacom is not the US Govt. Your posts read like someone who lives in a lead lined room wearing a tinfoil hat.

Muggy Dev

Well they´ll never get me!

....oh bugger!Who´s that at the door now?

thelordofcheese

Jumpy wrote: »

Source?
Please stop quoting crap.

What you are referring to (and only a small part of it) is only if you use youtube with an account, and it is youtubes inability to remove copyrighted content is what they are against here, and to some extent those that upload. The sheer volume of streamed content on youtube makes it a barrier to identify downloaders.
Please turn on your brain before posting. Viacom is not the US Govt. Your posts read like someone who lives in a lead lined room wearing a tinfoil hat.

to be fair, Run_to_da_hills specialises in a very paticular brand of paranoid ravings and muppetry.

Krieg

I posted some months ago about how the downloading golden age wont last and that this method proposed was the what would do it.

Now, as soon as I hear Ireland are going to introduce it, Im going to take 2 weeks off work and go ****ing nuts with my BB, downloading everything I possibly can - "'Gone with the wind', bah ill download it anyway... 'Shemale beasteality'?... Ya never know when that comes in handy". - EVERYTHING!

If the government do introduce a levy for downloading, Id gladly pay £30, hell Id pay €1000 for the privlage

Run_to_da_hills

Krieg wrote: »

I posted some months ago about how the downloading golden age wont last and that this method proposed was the what would do it.

Now, as soon as I hear Ireland are going to introduce it, Im going to take 2 weeks off work and go ****ing nuts with my BB, downloading everything I possibly can - "'Gone with the wind', bah ill download it anyway... 'Shemale beasteality'?... Ya never know when that comes in handy". - EVERYTHING!

If the government do introduce a levy for downloading, Id gladly pay £30, hell Id pay €1000 for the privlage

As I said before, the damage is already done. I would have no trouble sourcing a HDD full of almost every rock & metal band ever out since the 70ies, same with movies by looking through various forums. All this stuff has already been downloaded, decrypted, copied and spread right across the country. It is only the new video and music releases that people are interested in now.

I would say a tax on blank media such as pen drives, DVDs, and cads etc. (The USB pen drive is latest way of storing and selling bootleg DVDs and music the next generation DVD & car stereos all take them.)

Those dealing in counterfeit movies no longer have to risk carrying multiple copies as they can drag and paste from a laptop onto the customers pen drive) . Canada has already has a heavy tax on blank media.

BigglesMcGee

Dave! wrote: »

If I got a letter from my ISP then I'd probably stop tbh. But at the mo it's worth the risk because f*ck all people have been fined over here, and those that are fined are usually sharers, which I am not. I'm a leech

If i got a letter from my ISP i'd find another ISP

Smyth

I'd say they'll send letters of warning out to everyone just to start a panic. They do the same thing with TV licences. That'll scare the **** out of most people if it happens..especially anyone who doesn't own the connection..i.e. living with parents.

I think the whole thing is pretty futile anyway. The music industry doesn't listen to consumers, never has. Now that people are smarter and have gotten used to getting music for free, they'll never..never go back to paying €20 for a cd.

They'll kill one bird, but another one will be born. The markets will start to get very busy, rapidsharing, rars.

To take a quote from Batman begins.

"if we start wearing bullet-proof armour, they'll start using armour piercing rounds"

Unless the music industry wises the **** up, they'll still end up being screwed.

david_the_great

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I think if you are seeding a torrent file then your IP address is stored as part of the torrent file.
As for my music, it's all mine mr. officer. I wouldn't download porn if you paid me, let alone hippidy hoppidy or whatever it is you are after.

funny how you mentioned porn and noone else did :D:D:D:D

tech77

Can anyone tell me why the likes of Rapidshare/Megaupload are regarded as immune to this anti-piracy lark.

I mean they can still get your IP address on Rapidshare etc can't they?
And if you have a premium RS/MU account, they can get your email and CC/paypal details that way.

Or is that just being paranoid.

TPD

Anyone on here with a wireless network SSID of eircom**** **** (the *s being numbers), and using a netopia router (standard eircom wireless one), your network is very unsafe. By simply entering that number into an online converter, your WEP key can be found.

I'd advise you change your SSID.

BaconZombie

I'd advise they change the SSID and encryption to WPA using a VERY long password.

TPD wrote: »

Anyone on here with a wireless network SSID of eircom**** **** (the *s being numbers), and using a netopia router (standard eircom wireless one), your network is very unsafe. By simply entering that number into an online converter, your WEP key can be found.

I'd advise you change your SSID.

Fad

thelordofcheese wrote: »

to be fair, Run_to_da_hills specialises in a very paticular brand of paranoid ravings and muppetry.

he sounds convincing for like a second then it just sounds like he should be on the conspiracy theory forum

TPD

Well after changing the SSID it'll take a little more than a google search to crack the network, which in residential areas is all thats likely to be done about it.

Dman001

A bit off topic but if iTunes you can rent a movie from iTunes for $3.99, surely that means the Movie Studios could afford to sell movies on iTunes for $3.99 instead of $9.99 and still make a profit. It just proves how much they rob you.

Fad

Dman001 wrote: »

A bit off topic but if iTunes you can rent a movie from iTunes for $3.99, surely that means the Movie Studios could afford to sell movies on iTunes for $3.99 instead of $9.99 and still make a profit. It just proves how much they rob you.

But thats just a 3(or whatever ive never used the service) day rental, i fail to see your point

Smyth

TPD wrote: »

Well after changing the SSID it'll take a little more than a google search to crack the network, which in residential areas is all thats likely to be done about it.

All new routers since the start of the year have been shipped out with wpa as the default if i'm not mistaken.

That being said, the average broadband user wouldn't even know how to access the router config page. :rolleyes:

Sherifu

You can't stop the rock. ISPs don't want to lose business.

Dman001

Mr.S wrote: »

eh?

Rent = a certain time, and then you cant play it anymore

buy = you have it forever and can watch it whenever..so obviosuly ilt be more?

But the two are the same. They are both exactly the same digital file but the rental version has more DRM on it. It would cost the same to encode the film into the digital file. The only difference between the two is that one last 24Hrs and the other lasts forever. The Studios and iTunes only make more profit if you buy the film instead of renting it. But if you could buy the film for $3.99, that means more sales, which means more profit. The point I'm trying to make is, both iTunes and the Studios love to take your money.

Terry

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Remember about two weeks ago when we read that the EU has given the digital records of every ISP and IP address in Europe over to the US authorities, This is where all the surveillance is going to come from. The FBI take Video and Music Piracy very seriously because they are getting pressure from the likes of Viacom and other home industries that are losing serious revenue in recent years. The US has the resources to track down and monitor every pc on this planet that is downloading unauthorised data.

These letters will be to the point and will be addressed at random to the accounts of people whos ISP has records of defaulting clients. It will be up to the person whose account has downloaded the offending material to prove himself innocent. These letters would be warnings but would follow up with local raids, seisure of equipment and fines if the problem persists.

Oh shít. The FBI are gonna get me.

Wait...

Wait...

They don't have any jurisdiction here.
They can have my ip address and on-line activity all they want. I have no intention of ever going to America either.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

As you are probably aware already the US authorities have access to ALL UTube files for the last five year this was even before the Viacom court case saga. The Patriot act gave them the right to access anything if they suspect terrorism, They know what UTube videos you are watching and what stuff you are interested in and have watched in the past, They can tell immediately whether you are watching videos or downloading / leaching from an illegal torrent site, These guys are not stupid.

It wouldn't kill you to type in the extra two letters.