Hardware Discussion Thread

AlmightyCushion

Tea_Bag wrote: »

same boat as yourself. could really use something portable for college, and really dislike a netbook, so an ultra book would be ideal, but I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole at €1000+.

AMD could dominate the market if they release a 25W apu with a bit of muscle sub €600. I'd love to see it paired with a 120gb SSD. it would be an easy 10 hour battery life.

Doubt you'd get a 120GB SSD with it for under 600.

Solitaire

Sure ultrabooks were victims of virtual price-fixing since the grim advent of the CrackBook Air, retailing for stupid sums of money and making their OEMs a very fat profit margin. If AMD actually does the decent thing and breaks the price-fix they're going to ruffle some feathers for sure

marco_polo

Tea_Bag wrote: »

the system sounds ancient and the board has probably died from degradation of the BIOS Chip. sorry I can't be of more help.



in other news, AMD's roadmap has been revealed.
looks like they plan to kick Intel's butt in the ultrabook market (pricing themselves in the $500-$600 range, half that of Intels rrp)

theyre also dropping bulldozer AND graphics core next for new architecture which is interesting.

more here:

www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Roadmap-Ultrathin-Trinity-ultra-low-power,14624.html

Piledriver and the Steamroller were always earmarked as the next two of iterations of the Bulldozer core, so they are not really dropping it per say. Hopefully they are making it good though

Tea_Bag

marco_polo wrote: »

Piledriver and the Steamroller were always earmarked as the next two of iterations of the Bulldozer core, so they are not really dropping it per say. Hopefully they are making it good though

tbh, my interest was more steered towards the fact that the graphics core next architecture is only out the factory and is already being replaced in 2013. bulldozer was a flop and would obviously be refreshed.

I reckon it costs far too much money to make the new GPU architecture, hence it not appearing in the sub 7850 bracket, and it's being made redundant already.

OT: Solitaire, I missed you. welcome back

Solitaire

I got addictinated to WoW but thankfully it burned itself out

ShadowHearth

Solitaire wrote: »

I got addictinated to WoW but thankfully it burned itself out

Wow?! How dare you?! I thought this forum was crack free!!! Don't worry we will hold your hand m8! you can tap to us if you want!!

marco_polo

Tea_Bag wrote: »

tbh, my interest was more steered towards the fact that the graphics core next architecture is only out the factory and is already being replaced in 2013. bulldozer was a flop and would obviously be refreshed.

I reckon it costs far too much money to make the new GPU architecture, hence it not appearing in the sub 7850 bracket, and it's being made redundant already.

OT: Solitaire, I missed you. welcome back

But the new roadmap is confirming AMDs full commital to unified GPU/CPU processing, not that they are abandoning it. The sole reason Graphic core next is being replaced is because it was only ever to be a first step on the way to HSA enabled discrete GPUs.

The plan is to have to have almost fully HSA enabled APUs by 2013, followed by the addition of discrete GPUs support in 2014.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5503/understanding-amds-roadmap-new-direction/2

recycled

Thanks for that teabag. I git it running with a new battery. Another battery i tried was not new. Do you have any recommendation on harware cradles for data recovery from crashed harddrives. I'm trying to recover photos for a friend and the drive is not recognised.

recycled

Overheal

marco_polo wrote: »

But the new roadmap is confirming AMDs full commital to unified GPU/CPU processing, not that they are abandoning it.

Indeed, see my thread about the Scorpius build. They've now gotten to the point where their CPUs, GPUs, and Chipsets are all being designed to synergize with eachother.

...Or at least work together :P

Solitaire

And being specified with the wrong memory controllers for the job, ruining performance and ensuring that SidePort - useful for the first time, well, ever - can't be used at all now that its actually needed :rolleyes:

Why does AMD continue to release CPUs that come from the drawing board complete with a list of ungodly flaws?!? Llano and Bulldozer were both unmitigated disasters from a desktop user's point of view :eek:

And when will people realise that single locked on-die clockgens are clearly a sign of the rising of the Antichrist?!?

Vicxas

Hmmm, on comparison why are these 2 GFX cards so equally priced yet one has an extra 1GB memory...

Example 1

Example 2

Anyone wanna shed light on this for me? Or am i missing something obvious...

deconduo

Vicxas wrote: »

Hmmm, on comparison why are these 2 GFX cards so equally priced yet one has an extra 1GB memory...

Example 1

Example 2

Anyone wanna shed light on this for me? Or am i missing something obvious...

Because the extra memory makes very little difference in performance until you get to high resolutions (larger than 1920x1200) The average person won't notice any difference between the two.

Vicxas

Figured as much.

nesf

Heated Hard Drives? http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2012/02/heated-hard-drives-record-hund.html

AlmightyCushion

nesf wrote: »

Heated Hard Drives? http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2012/02/heated-hard-drives-record-hund.html

"The researchers say this new method could be used to make hard drives capable of recording terabytes of information a second"

*dumps SSD and runs to the shop to buy a lighter*

Serephucus

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

"The researchers say this new method could be used to make hard drives capable of recording terabytes of information a second"

*dumps SSD and runs to the shop to buy a lighter*

LOL. This does sound very cool (no reverse-pun intended), but wouldn't that mean we're going to need active cooling for hard drives? HDD waterblocks being the norm? Something just doesn't sit right with that thought.

AlmightyCushion

Serephucus wrote: »

LOL. This does sound very cool (no reverse-pun intended), but wouldn't that mean we're going to need active cooling for hard drives? HDD waterblocks being the norm? Something just doesn't sit right with that thought.

Maybe depends how hot it gets I suppose. It would mean for easy performance boosts. Just douse the drive in petrol.

nesf

Serephucus wrote: »

LOL. This does sound very cool (no reverse-pun intended), but wouldn't that mean we're going to need active cooling for hard drives? HDD waterblocks being the norm? Something just doesn't sit right with that thought.

They're talking about spot heating, not heating the entire disc, so while a tiny part of the disc might get extremely hot the overall temperature of the drive may change very little. Off the top of my head of course.

Overheal

Solitaire wrote: »

And being specified with the wrong memory controllers for the job, ruining performance and ensuring that SidePort - useful for the first time, well, ever - can't be used at all now that its actually needed :rolleyes:

Why does AMD continue to release CPUs that come from the drawing board complete with a list of ungodly flaws?!? Llano and Bulldozer were both unmitigated disasters from a desktop user's point of view :eek:

And when will people realise that single locked on-die clockgens are clearly a sign of the rising of the Antichrist?!?

Ugh... explain?

Okay so I wont assume it's Voltron but will the Scorpius build at least run, well, well? Or will it just be buggy?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056541366

Tea_Bag

Overheal wrote: »

Ugh... explain?

Okay so I wont assume it's Voltron but will the Scorpius build at least run, well, well? Or will it just be buggy?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056541366

it'll run fine, but its certainly not the best performance for the money you spent on it. an i5 beats it in every bench, and the board is cheaper too.

the only reason i can comprehend to get a bulldozer chip would be if you had an 870 chipset board that would take AM3+

for the record, i prefer AMD as a company, but they don't have a leg to stand on this generation.

Reku

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

"The researchers say this new method could be used to make hard drives capable of recording terabytes of information a second"

*dumps SSD and runs to the shop to buy a lighter*

lol, hate to burst your bubble (wait...no I don't!:p) but the article figures refer to using a 100fs laser, and judging by the referenced increase in local temperature it's a reasonably decent power one. => you'd probably have a nanosecond laser which is bigger than your desktop being fed into specialist optics which are the size of a large table to get the pulse length down to femtosecond durations, so as you can imagine the new harddrives might require something considerably bigger than a 3.5" bay...:D
Maybe the femtosecond compression methodology has improved since I last worked with one, but I doubt it's improved by THAT much.

Serephucus

nesf wrote: »

They're talking about spot heating, not heating the entire disc, so while a tiny part of the disc might get extremely hot the overall temperature of the drive may change very little. Off the top of my head of course.

Yeah, I knew that, but I'd assume if you have a bunch of reading/writing going on - as you would on an OS drive, particularly when gaming or whatever - the drive's temperature would increase a fair bit overall.

Overheal

Tea_Bag wrote: »

it'll run fine, but its certainly not the best performance for the money you spent on it. an i5 beats it in every bench, and the board is cheaper too.

the only reason i can comprehend to get a bulldozer chip would be if you had an 870 chipset board that would take AM3+

for the record, i prefer AMD as a company, but they don't have a leg to stand on this generation.

I myself have an 890GT chipset but already have the 1055t processor, which has as much performance in it as the bulldozers, realistically.

You're right and all I'm sure, but I do prefer AMD. How will the mem controller affect RAM? I bought some very tightlytuned sticks (1600Mhz 8-8-8-24) I'd hate for them to go to waste.

nesf

Serephucus wrote: »

Yeah, I knew that, but I'd assume if you have a bunch of reading/writing going on - as you would on an OS drive, particularly when gaming or whatever - the drive's temperature would increase a fair bit overall.

Well it only effects writing not reading, so I don't know. Maybe if you were copying over a DVD or Bluray there might be heat issues? The only application of this would be areas where writing is the bottleneck and read speed didn't matter.

Vicxas

nesf wrote: »

They're talking about spot heating, not heating the entire disc, so while a tiny part of the disc might get extremely hot the overall temperature of the drive may change very little. Off the top of my head of course.

Dont we kinda wanna get away from mad power hungry HDD's?

nesf

Vicxas wrote: »

Dont we kinda wanna get away from mad power hungry HDD's?

*shrugs*

I'm sure there'd be an enterprise application for these. I can't think of any regular time-critical writing to disc task that I'd have that'd make me consider one for my own machines.

AlmightyCushion

Reku wrote: »

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

"The researchers say this new method could be used to make hard drives capable of recording terabytes of information a second"

*dumps SSD and runs to the shop to buy a lighter*

lol, hate to burst your bubble (wait...no I don't!:p) but the article figures refer to using a 100fs laser, and judging by the referenced increase in local temperature it's a reasonably decent power one. => you'd probably have a nanosecond laser which is bigger than your desktop being fed into specialist optics which are the size of a large table to get the pulse length down to femtosecond durations, so as you can imagine the new harddrives might require something considerably bigger than a 3.5" bay...:D
Maybe the femtosecond compression methodology has improved since I last worked with one, but I doubt it's improved by THAT much.

I've got a cosmos s case so I should have more than enough room.

Tea_Bag

@overheal

AMD loves fast RAM. traditionally, Intel preferred tighter timing, and AMD higher clocks, but now Intel doesn't give a damn, and AMD eats whatever you got. I could swear I noticed a difference between my old 1333 cl9 and my (newer) 1600 cl8 in my old phenom rig. could be all in the head, but benches support the notion.

I'm pretty sad AMD has pretty much left the x86 market. Intel have dodgy practices, and now a monopoly, so they can (and will) charge whatever they like for their chips. sure they even went up in price which bulldozer launched, and got trashed by reviewers.

Overheal

So the Case snuck its way onto my front porch today. Still waiting on the components, but who can help me figure out where these will connect to? Not familiar with this pin type, but these all extend from the front-panel fan controller:



And yeah, that blue blur by the base of my thumb is a USB 3 male connector. I have no idea what that's doing in there.

Solitaire

Those are male and female Molex connectors for fans. The plug should come from a fan or extension wire; the socket is from the fan controller and you stick your fans in there.

And the male USB3 connector is a cheap and nasty way many case manufacturers are giving their cases USB3 capability without widespread USB3 mobo header adoption. You literally feed the cable out the back of the case and plug it into a USB3 socket in the back of the mobo - hey presto, the frontpanel USB3 ports now work even though they're not plugged into a proper mobo USB port header!