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Garda Recruitment - Stage 1a(1) - The Aptitude Test

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    #1022
    Rothmans
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    Anyone else here afraid that the verbal reasoning will be just pot luck?


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    #1023
    KERSPLAT!
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    Rothmans wrote: »
    Anyone else here afraid that the verbal reasoning will be just pot luck?

    Did it twice and only got 4/6, 1 wrong and 1 not complete :( it's alot of info to get through. I wish there were a few different ones as doing it over and over again isn't much use when there is only a small pool of questions


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    #1024
    Rothmans
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    Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »
    Did it twice and only got 4/6, 1 wrong and 1 not complete :( it's alot of info to get through. I wish there were a few different ones as doing it over and over again isn't much use when there is only a small pool of questions

    Yup, same here. I've read through them time and time again. When I do get 6/6 on the rare occasion, I have a look over the text and I find the answers they've give as correct are a bit iffy. I wish they'd give out the solutions.
    Hopefully the actual test will be a tad easier.


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    #1025
    Devil08
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    Hope I never have to read the word connectixx again


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    #1026
    2wsxcde3
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    Got only 2/6 on verbal reasoning test. I thought i was good at verbal reasoning, obviously not :(. I was good on the old style verbal reasoning they used do ...but not these ones.

    Does anyone know any online course where they do the exact type of verbal reasoning questions as in the PAS example (IE Where you have to select the appriopriate tab first before assessing if the statement is true, false or cannot say)?

    Please PM me if you do. Much appreciated :)


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    #1027
    2wsxcde3
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    With negative marking included, i got -2 :eek:


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    #1028
    want2b
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    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    With negative marking included, i got -2 :eek:

    How do you know how they are scoring the negative marking?


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    #1029
    2wsxcde3
    Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭2wsxcde3


    want2b wrote: »
    How do you know how they are scoring the negative marking?
    I don't. But if it was one for one, i would have got -2. If it was .5 for 1, i would have got 0. Either isn't good.


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    #1030
    want2b
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭want2b


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    I don't. But if it was one for one, i would have got -2. If it was .5 for 1, i would have got 0. Either isn't good.

    Its very hard.


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    #1031
    Rothmans
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    Emailed cut-e today asking if the negative marking is one for one and if you get marked down for blanks.

    Was told we cannot release that information.

    What an absolute shambles of an aptitude test. I've never gone into an exam in my life where the examiners didn't have at least a minimal level of transparency re how we will be marked. They don't even explain the reasons for answers in the sample test. Most probably because they aren't fully confident in their own test.

    An absolutely ridiculous situation.


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    #1032
    Zadie10
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    Rothmans wrote: »
    Emailed cut-e today asking if the negative marking is one for one and if you get marked down for blanks.

    Was told we cannot release that information.

    What an absolute shambles of an aptitude test. I've never gone into an exam in my life where the examiners didn't have at least a minimal level of transparency re how we will be marked. They don't even explain the reasons for answers in the sample test. Most probably because they aren't fully confident in their own test.

    An absolutely ridiculous situation.

    That is a joke! I wonder if its because PAS will wait to see what standard of results comes back before taking that information into account or not.


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    #1033
    Scouser
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    Zadie10 wrote: »
    That is a joke! I wonder if its because PAS will wait to see what standard of results comes back before taking that information into account or not.

    maybe email PAS

    it could be up to them to release such info


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    #1034
    Rothmans
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    Scouser wrote: »
    maybe email PAS

    it could be up to them to release such info

    Perhaps that might work. But, I'd have assumed that they would have released that info in the booklet no?

    Anyone up for giving pas a call tomorrow?


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    #1035
    Devil08
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    Rothmans wrote: »
    Perhaps that might work. But, I'd have assumed that they would have released that info in the booklet no?

    Anyone up for giving pas a call tomorrow?

    If you skip a question and leave it unanswered is it counted as incorrect??!


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    #1036
    Rothmans
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    Devil08 wrote: »
    If you skip a question and leave it unanswered is it counted as incorrect??!

    They cannot release that info apparently


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    #1037
    billie1b
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭billie1b


    So if its negative points system, my 4 out of 6 isnt too bad on the practise test? I've been pulling my hair out doing and practising it cause to me its not good enough


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    #1038
    Devil08
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    billie1b wrote: »
    So if its negative points system, my 4 out of 6 isnt too bad on the practise test? I've been pulling my hair out doing and practising it cause to me its not good enough

    4 out of 6 = 2 out of 6!!


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    #1039
    Rothmans
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    Devil08 wrote: »
    4 out of 6 = 2 out of 6!!

    Perhaps. They won't tell us. That's the problem.


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    #1040
    want2b
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭want2b


    Devil08 wrote: »
    4 out of 6 = 2 out of 6!!

    Unfortunately nobody knows that.


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    #1041
    billie1b
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    Devil08 wrote: »
    4 out of 6 = 2 out of 6!!

    Negative, 4 out of 6 with 6 questions answered is 4 out of 6, theres people here getting minus scores.


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    #1042
    Devil08
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    billie1b wrote: »
    Negative, 4 out of 6 with 6 questions answered is 4 out of 6, theres people here getting minus scores.

    The practice test doesn't negative mark! It tells u how many u got right and how many u got wrong. The minus marks are people adding it up themselves


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    #1043
    thekopend
    Registered Users Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭thekopend


    If you don't answer the question it is not negative marking!!. Negative marking is only for questions answered wrong. If you don't answer nothing lost nothing gained


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    #1044
    Sully
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    Gave a go of the sample questions for abstract reasoning. First time doing such a test. Not easy, some of them were just weird!


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    #1045
    thekopend
    Registered Users Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭thekopend


    Taken from page 5 of the stage 1 familiarisation material booklet

    ' Be aware that there is negative marking for incorrect answers on both these aptitude tests.'

    If it was negative marking for unanswered questions it would say negative marking for incorrect and unanswered.

    It would be literally impossible for anyone to get marks if this was the case.
    12 mins for 42 questions. The best I would be hoping for would be to get 25 answered correctly. Don't think many will get them all answered in that time frame, well not all correctly I would say. Better off doing it slow and steady and getting 90% of the ones you do correct.


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    #1046
    thekopend
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    Sully wrote: »
    Gave a go of the sample questions for abstract reasoning. First time doing such a test. Not easy, some of them were just weird!

    They look like double Dutch if you don't know what to look for, but after doing a course and knowing how the spot the rule so to speak they seem simple. If you can do some prep on it you will be flying it.


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    #1047
    Sully
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    thekopend wrote: »
    They look like double Dutch if you don't know what to look for, but after doing a course and knowing how the spot the rule so to speak they seem simple. If you can do some prep on it you will be flying it.

    I assume there is something online for it. I'm in a full time job so difficult to find the time to prepare, but arah, one can only do his/her best. :)


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    #1048
    ViP3r
    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭ViP3r


    I've done that verbal reasoning again and again. Doesn't make sense:
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    Somehow I only get 2 correct? Wtf??


    Ugh this is bs


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    #1049
    Sierra Oscar
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    thekopend wrote: »
    If you don't answer the question it is not negative marking!!. Negative marking is only for questions answered wrong. If you don't answer nothing lost nothing gained

    Yep that is how it usually works. Negative marking is designed to stop people guessing, not to encourage it. I would be surprised if there was negative marking for non-answered questions, as that would essentially just be forcing people to guess.


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    #1050
    Scouser
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Yep that is how it usually works. Negative marking is designed to stop people guessing, not to encourage it. I would be surprised if there was negative marking for non-answered questions, as that would essentially just be forcing people to guess.

    but it hammers the people who are genuinely answering on the belief they have answered correctly

    if anything, it stops thought and en-devour - surely the corner stones of good aptitude! very irish


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    #1051
    msg11
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    randomnumber1 wrote: »
    Anyone any thoughts on the assessment questionnaire and what may be involved?

    If I recall correctly. It's basically they give you questions lets say 10 questions and give you 10 points and you give points to what you feel is important to you. The questions have a 1-10 scale so you have to dish the points out sparingly.


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