Who is the final cylon?

EffeekO

Yeah we cant understand why Tori was left outta it either, its not like shes not important anymore, but we totally agree with ya on the whole a cylon for every colony theory, it makes sense 12 models 4 12 colonies, which begs the qs, will there be a familiar face when they reach earth, thats just a writers wet dream right there!

Dr. Baltar

Yeah, I thought that too - a cylon for every colony.
If that's the case, who's to say that there isn't a 13th model for Earth

Johnny Storm

Stark wrote: »

It was stated that there were 12 cylon models long before the cylon babies came along.

That's right. At the very end of the miniseries Adama finds a note on his desk saying "there are only 12 Cylon models".

Slightly off topic but just for my info, was it ever established or was there ever even a good speculation as to who put that note there?

fguihen

this may be too obvious, but the Admiral is still a contender. remember in crossroads #2 Adama tells Saul that he believes him about the music when Saul is practically hysterical in his office.

perhaps he could hear the music. the reason he didnt go to the gym and meet with the other 4 is, like the rest, he is duty bound and it was his duty to be in CIC at that time due to the impending battle.

cyrusdvirus

Well it certainly can't be Zack Adama.

Unless SOMEHOW the cylons planted the memory of a son in the Admirals head, the idea of a brother in Lee's and the idea of a partner in Starbucks.

Khannie

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Slightly off topic but just for my info, was it ever established or was there ever even a good speculation as to who put that note there?

I assumed it was either Baltar (racked with guilt) or another cylon (less likely).

Sir Baralot wrote: »

Yeah, I thought that too - a cylon for every colony.
If that's the case, who's to say that there isn't a 13th model for Earth

Nice theory.

kevmy

I reckon the Final Cylon was not on Galctica when the others where hearing the music otherwise they would have heard it to and activated.

If this is right we can rule out both Adama's, Roslin (who I think we can rule out due to cancer anyway), along with Baltar, Dee, Gaeta, Cally, Helo and most other characters mentioned.

The only ones still alive we can't rule out are Zarek and Starbuck. Starbuck is a little obvious and from the way it's going it looks like she does know the way to Earth so she's not crazy. Whether this rules her out from being a Cylon I'm not sure.

Zarek is a definite option.

Of the dead characters I think Admiral Cain and Kendra Shaw are the 2 with strongest possibilities. Cain cos she was such a brilliant character and Shaw because she saw the Cylon God guy and got information on Starbuck which was left a bit unfinished.

fitz

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I don't think the final five are cylons as we define them.
So activation or any other rules about cylons don't necessarily apply.
I suspect that they're some kind of genetic descendants of the Lords of Kobol, who were the "cylons" to the humans of the time. I think the final five have been living (unaware) in humanity since that time. Or the genetics to identify them have been passed along in humanity at least. I also think whoever/whatever brought Starbuck to/from Earth are the same person(s)/entities/faction as Head 6 and Head Baltar, and were responsible for both the music the 4 heard, and the development of Cylons after the first Cylon war.

amen

I think Lees ex wife (dee?) put the note in Adamas office and might be the final one!


as for the other 4 still not sure they are cyclons in the conventional sense

EffeekO

Why was it that they could only hear the music from inside galactica,could other ships hear it too, if they could then that means that the final cylon is dead/reborn already and couldnt be activated or was already off the fleet, Starbuck,, who wud at the min be too obvious a choice, im still stickin wit Ellen as the final one, but Cain as a cylon would be frakken great, the look on 6s face would be priceless, ha you killed one of the final 5!!Dumb bitch.

User45701

Ye but why does noone else think about Shaw? I mean the clyon god called her his child? if it was shaw then it would explain why she wasent activated because she had already ressurected and wa snot with the fleet and could not hear the music.

If its shaw i would be happy enough with that although i do want it to be a main charactor (but that would leave the question as to why they didnt hear the music as well, unless the 5th cylon did hear the music but didnt act on it?)

Still Shaw is a safe bet, but like Kara/Baltar seems a bit too obvious.

Jim

EffeekO wrote: »

Why was it that they could only hear the music from inside galactica,could other ships hear it too, if they could then that means that the final cylon is dead/reborn already and couldnt be activated or was already off the fleet, Starbuck,, who wud at the min be too obvious a choice, im still stickin wit Ellen as the final one, but Cain as a cylon would be frakken great, the look on 6s face would be priceless, ha you killed one of the final 5!!Dumb bitch.

I don't think it was coming from inside Galactica. As I said in my previous post I think that the nebula was set up as a trigger to activate the final five, so I think that the nebula itself was creating the music (the final five stopped hearing it when they jumped out), so I think they way they were putting their ears to the bulkheads was to hear the music from outside, rather than inside the ship.

So yea, I assume the other ships could hear the same music if any of the five were on it.

kevmy

User45701 wrote: »

Ye but why does noone else think about Shaw? I mean the clyon god called her his child? if it was shaw then it would explain why she wasent activated because she had already ressurected and wa snot with the fleet and could not hear the music.

If its shaw i would be happy enough with that although i do want it to be a main charactor (but that would leave the question as to why they didnt hear the music as well, unless the 5th cylon did hear the music but didnt act on it?)

Still Shaw is a safe bet, but like Kara/Baltar seems a bit too obvious.

Well I wouldn't have called Tori a main character before her revelation as a Cylon. And not really Sam either.

I think it would be Admiral Cain over Shaw cos Cain is a stronger more important character.

Jimeatsmenu wrote: »

I don't think it was coming from inside Galactica. As I said in my previous post I think that the nebula was set up as a trigger to activate the final five, so I think that the nebula itself was creating the music (the final five stopped hearing it when they jumped out), so I think they way they were putting their ears to the bulkheads was to hear the music from outside, rather than inside the ship.

So yea, I assume the other ships could hear the same music if any of the five were on it.

Either way the person would have to be within the fleet which rules out loads of people.

User45701

Jimeatsmenu wrote: »

I don't think it was coming from inside Galactica. As I said in my previous post I think that the nebula was set up as a trigger to activate the final five, so I think that the nebula itself was creating the music (the final five stopped hearing it when they jumped out), so I think they way they were putting their ears to the bulkheads was to hear the music from outside, rather than inside the ship.

So yea, I assume the other ships could hear the same music if any of the five were on it.

I thought that the 5 wherever they where heard it, as a trigger, we only saw 4 of them hear the music a 5th could have heard it and activated elsewhere.

Jim

User45701 wrote: »

I thought that the 5 wherever they where heard it, as a trigger, we only saw 4 of them hear the music a 5th could have heard it and activated elsewhere.

Elsewhere in the fleet or on a Cylon ship I agree with, but I still think the Nebula itself is a trigger (the people who wrote the course to Earth specified this as a place to go, and then Roslen says "It wasn't the way to Earth, it was only a road sign", perhaps indicating that the final five are the way to Earth). So the final five needed to be in the Nebula in order to hear the music.

Jim

kevmy wrote: »

Either way the person would have to be within the fleet which rules out loads of people.

Not necessarily. The fifth and final Cylon might not have activated yet.

fitz

And "activating" might be a moot point, as they might not be Cylons.
I still don't think they are. Just because the 7 known models all believe that the final five are five other models just like them, doesn't mean they are.

kevmy

Jimeatsmenu wrote: »

Not necessarily. The fifth and final Cylon might not have activated yet.

Well OK but I'm not sure that makes sense. They are supposed to be the final 5, not the penultimate 4 and the last one.

User45701

Kevmy is right, i dont see how only 4 could activate? Unless the 5th cylon is the hybrid? but Ron himself said to consider that to be model Zero and not of the 12...

Mr E

My theory is that its Lee Adama.

1. He is getting into a position of power (he could very well become president when Roslyn goes)
2. Wasn't he off the ship with Starbuck when the music was playing?

Could make for a nice father/son showdown near the end of the series.

Reverend Paul

Mr E wrote: »

My theory is that its Lee Adama.

1. He is getting into a position of power (he could very well become president when Roslyn goes)
2. Wasn't he off the ship with Starbuck when the music was playing?

Could make for a nice father/son showdown near the end of the series.

I don't think this is very likely. As the nebula was probably the "activation beacon," I think it was only coincidence that the four were on Galactica when they were activated. Tory presumably heard the music on Colonial One, although we didn't see this on screen.

I think Baltar's lawyer (Lamkin) is a very likely candidate for the final Cylon. Dodgy past, and the way he miraculously gave up his walking stick at the end of season 3 would support this.

NotWormBoy

Nobody gives a **** about Lamkin though, in fairness. No one would be totally shocked.

Overheal

Mr E wrote: »

My theory is that its Lee Adama.

1. He is getting into a position of power (he could very well become president when Roslyn goes)
2. Wasn't he off the ship with Starbuck when the music was playing?

Could make for a nice father/son showdown near the end of the series.

How does that matter? Only 4 cylons were in a real position of influence and they were Tyrol Tigh and Torri (and boomer). Cavil Leobhan the Token Black Guy Deanna and Anders were really just in muppetry positions for the most part.

remoh

Just thought of something, or maybe nothing at all, the final four so far have all got a T at the beginning of either their first, Middle or last name.


Saul Tigh
Tory Foster
Samuel T Anders
Galen Tyrol

so who would this maybe point to as the last one .....

Kara Thrace :eek:
or maybe Tom Zarek

Sherifu

remoh wrote: »

Just thought of something, or maybe nothing at all, the final four so far have all got a T at the beginning of either their first, Middle or last name.

Interesting T-heory.

remoh

Yeah, could it really be that simple, I was surprised to see no one else pointed it out.

lostexpectation

in an interview ron moore said the final cylon was nonoe of the people in the last suppper pick and we hadn't seem before series 4 started.

lostexpectation

its gotta be women though right

User45701

Reverend Paul wrote: »

I don't think this is very likely. As the nebula was probably the "activation beacon," I think it was only coincidence that the four were on Galactica when they were activated. Tory presumably heard the music on Colonial One, although we didn't see this on screen.

I think Baltar's lawyer (Lamkin) is a very likely candidate for the final Cylon. Dodgy past, and the way he miraculously gave up his walking stick at the end of season 3 would support this.

He was faking it after the failed attempt on his life to show his case in a different light.

lostexpectation wrote: »

in an interview ron moore said the final cylon was nonoe of the people in the last suppper pick and we hadn't seem before series 4 started.

WTF????

Spoiler Tags?

Reverend Paul

User45701 wrote: »

He was faking it after the failed attempt on his life to show his case in a different light.

Possibly, however I think there is much more to him than meets the eye. Time will tell...