Who is the final cylon?

EffeekO

Hmmmm...we have a theory or two about who it might be, were just goin on what weve seen on the show, but we think that its probably Ellen Tigh, for a few reasons, firstly shes had a fairly prominent role to merit being a cylon,unlike Tori, secondly her and Sol had been married years with no kids, cylons cant reproduce, thirdly having another female cylon will balance out the 7-4 score so far and finally how was it that only four of the five were activated, the only logical explanation is that theyre dead and have already been reborn, but on the other hand.................... what did baltar whisper to Gaeta?

User45701

Hi effeekO if your thinking dead then think Zak Adama, I dont think it is Geata because you know baltar he would have used it as a bargining chip to get himself off because geata tried to kill him, no reason to protect him.

What if it is. wait a min.... WTF????

how if the chief a cylon if he was on new anchorige without getting ill
How is anders a cylon if he had pnemuia (sp?)

(dont say sleaper cylons dont have cylon abalities because during 33 it was mentioned that boomer was holding up better than anyone in the squadren)

But i would ask mods to keep a close watch on this topic because in season two when a topic popped up about what would happen to the pegasus (season 2 cliff hanger) someone posted a spoiler so just be carefull spoilertag anything you have read that has not been seen yet.

fitz

I think it's pretty clear that the final five are not "cylons" in the same mould as the skinjobs.

Forget about ruling people in or out cause of what we know about the cylons.

Tbh, I think the final five have existed in humankind long since long before the colonies created cylons as we know them. I think they're the descendants of another race who "all this has happened before" with. I suspect a Lords of Kobol connection.

Kiith

User45701 wrote: »

how if the chief a cylon if he was on new anchorige without getting ill
How is anders a cylon if he had pnemuia (sp?)

The chief wasnt on Ragnar Anchorage for long enough. Leoban was there for prolonged periods, so it effected him a lot more. Plus, we dont even know how long he was waiting there, could have been ages. As for Anders getting pneumonia, why wouldnt this happen? We dont know enough about the hybrids physiology to say if they cant get sick. Boomer may have held up better then anyone else in teh squad in 33 because she was just a better soldier. And it may have been the mental strain that she was handling better, rather then the physical pain.

What about Lee Adama? After the concersation with Admiral Adama (

If Zach turned up alive, would it change your feelings towards him?

), maybe this was him testing the water, subconciously or not.

nhughes100

I'm thinking that none of them are and the cylons have found a way to get into their heads. Baltar is definitely a cylon, he got killed in the very first episode, remember the bomb went off and hit behind number six to shield him from the blast? Didn't do him much harm eh?

Also if there's only one left and Balter is that one it procludes the chance of there being a cylon on Earth which would be a cool finale.

Either way I can't wait for season 4.

Sherifu

I'm thinking Baltar, Starbuck or the president.

Kiith

Starbuck being the 5th seems almost too easy. Roslin...maybe. But there's no way Baltar will be a Cylon. If he was, it would take a lot away from his character, and cheapen the things that he has done, and things that have happened because of him (i.e New Caprica, death list etc...).

nhughes100

If he ain't a cylon, how is he still alive? He did all that stuff cos He just doesn't know he is a cylon like Boomer until the switch is flicked.

Kiith

He was only in the initial shockwave, and Six used her body to protect him. Remember, there was planty of survivors around when Boomer and Helo landed. Also, i think he'd remember waking up on a Cylon Resurrection Ship.

Overheal

At the worst, Baltar is the same stuff as Starbuck. But I don't believe that.

Kiith wrote: »

We dont know enough about the hybrids physiology to say if they cant get sick. Boomer may have held up better then anyone else in teh squad in 33 because she was just a better soldier. And it may have been the mental strain that she was handling better, rather then the physical pain.

They do get sick. Boomer suffered from radiation poisoning also. She did her fair share of vomiting.

As for Anders and the Pneumonia: eh, season 3? Infected Satellite? They can be killed by the common cold. I suspect they can get hit by Pneumonia as well.

User45701

Kiith wrote: »

TAs for Anders getting pneumonia, why wouldnt this happen? We dont know enough about the hybrids physiology to say if they cant get sick

Em was it was revelaed in season 3 that human form cylons dont get ill, thats why the virus was such a big deal when it infected their baseship?

nhughes100 wrote: »

I'm thinking that none of them are and the cylons have found a way to get into their heads. Baltar is definitely a cylon, he got killed in the very first episode, remember the bomb went off and hit behind number six to shield him from the blast? Didn't do him much harm eh?

Also if there's only one left and Balter is that one it procludes the chance of there being a cylon on Earth which would be a cool finale.

Either way I can't wait for season 4.

No, i dont think balatar is a cylon but then again with bsg you just dont know. i just think if he was a cylon whats special about him why didnt he activate with the other 4? the 5th cylon is eithe rdead or not on the ship. If it is Kara it would explain allot, she like the 4 would try to hide it but she still wants whats best for the human race but i just cant get what the cylon god said out of my head....

Sherifu wrote: »

I'm thinking Baltar, Starbuck or the president.

Baltar - Yes it does make sense, infact it explains everything but my gut tells me its not him

Starbuck - As i said above its a good possibality and makes sence as well but i dont know.

Prez - Cancer, how could she get it if a cylon cant? But at the same time she does share visions with 6 and the 1/2 cylon child.

Theres a good reason for all 3 to be the cylon

Kiith wrote: »

Starbuck being the 5th seems almost too easy. Roslin...maybe. But there's no way Baltar will be a Cylon. If he was, it would take a lot away from his character, and cheapen the things that he has done, and things that have happened because of him (i.e New Caprica, death list etc...).

nhughes100 wrote: »

If he ain't a cylon, how is he still alive? He did all that stuff cos He just doesn't know he is a cylon like Boomer until the switch is flicked.

No..

like Adama said he is not guilty, i dont think he is a cylon. Baltar when you look at it all is the victim in everything...

He was suduced by a very hot woman, his race wiped out because of him (you cant say that wouldnt **** with you head)

He presses on but because it was not his fault he covers his tracks, the destruction of the olympic carrier for example with Dr anerack onboard

Everything baltar has done has been for himself, he is a good person and he is right, if he didnt surrender and do why the cylons wants the human race would have died with him, on new caprica...

Kiith wrote: »

He was only in the initial shockwave, and Six used her body to protect him. Remember, there was planty of survivors around when Boomer and Helo landed. Also, i think he'd remember waking up on a Cylon Resurrection Ship.

Was he not ogegen starved? and did he not admit to himself and was confirmed by head six that he was not a cylon?

EDIT

Overheal wrote: »

At the worst, Baltar is the same stuff as Starbuck. But I don't believe that.



They do get sick. Boomer suffered from radiation poisoning also. She did her fair share of vomiting.

As for Anders and the Pneumonia: eh, season 3? Infected Satellite? They can be killed by the common cold. I suspect they can get hit by Pneumonia as well.

Boomer had radiation poisining? when do you mean season 1? she insisted he (helo) take the meds - she didnt take them. Cylons dont suffer from radation sickness otherwide they would have been zero skin jobs on caprica

Gummy Panda

User45701 wrote: »

Boomer had radiation poisining? when do you mean season 1? she insisted he (helo) take the meds - she didnt take them. Cylons dont suffer from radation sickness otherwide they would have been zero skin jobs on caprica

I think he means the episode where they jump between the star cluster as they guided the fleet.

I remember Athene vomiting and looking ropey after getting out of the raptor.

User45701

was that not your one, kat was it?

Overheal

Panda has his wires crossed: she was vomiting on New Caprica.

Dr. Baltar

Kendra Shaw?

The Original Cylon Hybrid knew she was destined to meet her, perhaps this was all apart of their programming?

Jim

Well after ep2 its safe to say that the Cylon's didn't activate the four final five with the music. I think the theroy that the final five have been around longer than even the original Cylon's is a decent one.

My own theroy of the whole situation is that the final five are left over from another civilisation (as someone said "this has all happened before") possibly Earth. The colonies were set up as an experiment away from Earth (the purpose of which I can't figure out yet, possibly to see if humans could live a different way if given a fresh start or does our nature make certain things inevidible). The final five were put on the colonies as observers or supervisors in order to make sure that certain things happened. This means they might be as old as the colonies themselves, or perhaps that their programming was passed on to their children and then the children took up this role. The Earth civilisation created the colonies religion as a way to make sure they one day did reach Earth (this would explain all of the strange things that happened that are linked to the religion). Gallactica is taking a very specific route toward Earth, largely guided by this religion. The final five may have been programmed to hear the music and activate when they reached the nebula at the end of s3 as it was marked as one of the sign posts to Earth. Perhaps they needed to be activated at this late stage in order to bring both Cylon's and Human's together for the last leg of their trip.

There is definatly a higher power at work, but I think its not activatly at work. As I said I think everything was pre planned from Earth thousands of years ago and its just playing out. The constant references about how certain things are inevitable and everything has happened before and will happen again seems to support this. The Cylons role in story is of the persuer. They gave Gallactica and the fleet a reason to find Earth and never allowed them any rest. The only time this deviated is when the fleet settled on New Caprica, but this was only temporary as the Cylons showed up and made them search for Earth once more.

Its because of this that I dont' think Baltar is one of the final five. Their job seems to be the same as the Cylons, to actively force the fleet to keep searching for Earth. Baltar is counter to this since he was the one who decided to settle on New Caprica. For me the strongest candidate is Roslen. She has always been the biggest driving force in the search for Earth. If what I said before about the final five being older than the colonies and the religion being invented for a specific purpose then this supports Roslen as a Cylon theroy. I think she has been the one most associated with the religion as a prophet etc (all the stuff about the vision of snakes etc). All of her visions and her apperently miraclous recovery for a brief period so she could find the way to Earth could all be part of her programming. She also couldn't kill Starbuck (missed at close range) because Starbuck knows the way to Earth and her programming wouldn't allow it.

The only thing I can't figure out is Baltar's visions of Six and her vise versa. The only really realistic explanation is that he is a Cylon. I think perhaps though his main role will be bringing Cylons and Humans together in the end along with Six.

conzy

Baltar is the one true god he has been praying too? Oh snap!

Just a random thought......

Talisman

That would be funny and explain alot.

Stark

User45701 wrote: »

Em was it was revelaed in season 3 that human form cylons dont get ill, thats why the virus was such a big deal when it infected their baseship?

The Final Five are a different design to the seven cylon models that we previously knew about. This was something that was hinted at throughout Season 3 and clarified in the podcasts. It's not even certain yet if the Final Five have multiple copies or can resurrect in the same manner as the "Significant Seven".

John_C

Jimeatsmenu wrote: »

Well after ep2 its safe to say that the Cylon's didn't activate the four final five with the music. I think the theroy that the final five have been around longer than even the original Cylon's is a decent one.

My own theroy of the whole situation is that the final five are left over from another civilisation (as someone said "this has all happened before") possibly Earth. The colonies were set up as an experiment away from Earth (the purpose of which I can't figure out yet, possibly to see if humans could live a different way if given a fresh start or does our nature make certain things inevidible). The final five were put on the colonies as observers or supervisors in order to make sure that certain things happened. This means they might be as old as the colonies themselves, or perhaps that their programming was passed on to their children and then the children took up this role. The Earth civilisation created the colonies religion as a way to make sure they one day did reach Earth (this would explain all of the strange things that happened that are linked to the religion). Gallactica is taking a very specific route toward Earth, largely guided by this religion. The final five may have been programmed to hear the music and activate when they reached the nebula at the end of s3 as it was marked as one of the sign posts to Earth. Perhaps they needed to be activated at this late stage in order to bring both Cylon's and Human's together for the last leg of their trip.

There is definatly a higher power at work, but I think its not activatly at work. As I said I think everything was pre planned from Earth thousands of years ago and its just playing out. The constant references about how certain things are inevitable and everything has happened before and will happen again seems to support this. The Cylons role in story is of the persuer. They gave Gallactica and the fleet a reason to find Earth and never allowed them any rest. The only time this deviated is when the fleet settled on New Caprica, but this was only temporary as the Cylons showed up and made them search for Earth once more.

Its because of this that I dont' think Baltar is one of the final five. Their job seems to be the same as the Cylons, to actively force the fleet to keep searching for Earth. Baltar is counter to this since he was the one who decided to settle on New Caprica. For me the strongest candidate is Roslen. She has always been the biggest driving force in the search for Earth. If what I said before about the final five being older than the colonies and the religion being invented for a specific purpose then this supports Roslen as a Cylon theroy. I think she has been the one most associated with the religion as a prophet etc (all the stuff about the vision of snakes etc). All of her visions and her apperently miraclous recovery for a brief period so she could find the way to Earth could all be part of her programming. She also couldn't kill Starbuck (missed at close range) because Starbuck knows the way to Earth and her programming wouldn't allow it.

The only thing I can't figure out is Baltar's visions of Six and her vise versa. The only really realistic explanation is that he is a Cylon. I think perhaps though his main role will be bringing Cylons and Humans together in the end along with Six.

I like your theory. It has a lot of parallels in Asimov's writing.

EffeekO

This is actually a bit of a spoiler, actually its a kinda huge spoiler, anyone whos seen the "last supper" mock up will know what im talkin about, one of the creators was talkin bout the picture and the fact that there is only 12 ppl in the picture would suggest that theres 1 guest missing from the table, the final cylon model, which would make everyone else at the table out of the running for final cylon, both Adamas, Baltar, Kara, Helo, and Roslin

Overheal

Thats if you beleive that theyd give it away in such a ridiculously blatant manner.

cyrusdvirus

Are we sure that the 5th one even exists yet......

Could it possible be a baby born of a future Hera/Nicky union???

Kiith

Could it be Hera?

Stark

No.

It was stated that there were 12 cylon models long before the cylon babies came along.

EffeekO

Overheal wrote: »

Thats if you beleive that theyd give it away in such a ridiculously blatant manner.

But whats the point in doing a last supper mock up if theres not gonna be the right amount of ppl at the table, obviously one is missin, besides its a better theory than it being nicky or hera, seriously like!

cyrusdvirus

EffeekO wrote: »

But whats the point in doing a last supper mock up if theres not gonna be the right amount of ppl at the table, obviously one is missin, besides its a better theory than it being nicky or hera, seriously like!

Yeah, sure who'd think Tigh is a cylon..........oh..wait a minute.......

My point is that RDM has consistently caught us out from left field here. I don't honestly think that Hera OR Nicky are regarded as one of the final 5 (probably cos i can count) but nothing has been straight forward in this show so far

Kiith

Stark wrote: »

No.

It was stated that there were 12 cylon models long before the cylon babies came along.

Well **** you too I dont know who it is then. I'm happy to wait and see though.

Overheal

EffeekO wrote: »

But whats the point in doing a last supper mock up if theres not gonna be the right amount of ppl at the table, obviously one is missin, besides its a better theory than it being nicky or hera, seriously like!

because they can set it up in all of 15 minutes and give us all a chuckle? :rolleyes:

smurfit06

guys sorry to have to share this but:
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Moore-Offers-New-Clues-About-Battlestar-Galactica-8129.html?tid=577

Only look if you want to cancel people out of your Cylon theory. Oh and the last supper photo has a blank space (seen as number 10 in this versiion of the photo) this represents the Fifth!

cyrusdvirus

The last supper pic is a hinderance not a help.....Tori is also missing from it.

What about Tom Zarek? he cared enough about humanities children that he went to jail as a freedom fighter for one particular colony.
If we go with the assumption that each cylon is representive of each colony this kinda makes sense.