Who is the final cylon?

EffeekO

Hmmmm...we have a theory or two about who it might be, were just goin on what weve seen on the show, but we think that its probably Ellen Tigh, for a few reasons, firstly shes had a fairly prominent role to merit being a cylon,unlike Tori, secondly her and Sol had been married years with no kids, cylons cant reproduce, thirdly having another female cylon will balance out the 7-4 score so far and finally how was it that only four of the five were activated, the only logical explanation is that theyre dead and have already been reborn, but on the other hand.................... what did baltar whisper to Gaeta?

User45701

Hi effeekO if your thinking dead then think Zak Adama, I dont think it is Geata because you know baltar he would have used it as a bargining chip to get himself off because geata tried to kill him, no reason to protect him.

What if it is. wait a min.... WTF????

how if the chief a cylon if he was on new anchorige without getting ill
How is anders a cylon if he had pnemuia (sp?)

(dont say sleaper cylons dont have cylon abalities because during 33 it was mentioned that boomer was holding up better than anyone in the squadren)

But i would ask mods to keep a close watch on this topic because in season two when a topic popped up about what would happen to the pegasus (season 2 cliff hanger) someone posted a spoiler so just be carefull spoilertag anything you have read that has not been seen yet.

fitz

I think it's pretty clear that the final five are not "cylons" in the same mould as the skinjobs.

Forget about ruling people in or out cause of what we know about the cylons.

Tbh, I think the final five have existed in humankind long since long before the colonies created cylons as we know them. I think they're the descendants of another race who "all this has happened before" with. I suspect a Lords of Kobol connection.

Kiith

User45701 wrote: »

how if the chief a cylon if he was on new anchorige without getting ill
How is anders a cylon if he had pnemuia (sp?)

The chief wasnt on Ragnar Anchorage for long enough. Leoban was there for prolonged periods, so it effected him a lot more. Plus, we dont even know how long he was waiting there, could have been ages. As for Anders getting pneumonia, why wouldnt this happen? We dont know enough about the hybrids physiology to say if they cant get sick. Boomer may have held up better then anyone else in teh squad in 33 because she was just a better soldier. And it may have been the mental strain that she was handling better, rather then the physical pain.

What about Lee Adama? After the concersation with Admiral Adama (

If Zach turned up alive, would it change your feelings towards him?

), maybe this was him testing the water, subconciously or not.

nhughes100

I'm thinking that none of them are and the cylons have found a way to get into their heads. Baltar is definitely a cylon, he got killed in the very first episode, remember the bomb went off and hit behind number six to shield him from the blast? Didn't do him much harm eh?

Also if there's only one left and Balter is that one it procludes the chance of there being a cylon on Earth which would be a cool finale.

Either way I can't wait for season 4.

Sherifu

I'm thinking Baltar, Starbuck or the president.

Kiith

Starbuck being the 5th seems almost too easy. Roslin...maybe. But there's no way Baltar will be a Cylon. If he was, it would take a lot away from his character, and cheapen the things that he has done, and things that have happened because of him (i.e New Caprica, death list etc...).

nhughes100

If he ain't a cylon, how is he still alive? He did all that stuff cos He just doesn't know he is a cylon like Boomer until the switch is flicked.

Kiith

He was only in the initial shockwave, and Six used her body to protect him. Remember, there was planty of survivors around when Boomer and Helo landed. Also, i think he'd remember waking up on a Cylon Resurrection Ship.

Overheal

At the worst, Baltar is the same stuff as Starbuck. But I don't believe that.

Kiith wrote: »

We dont know enough about the hybrids physiology to say if they cant get sick. Boomer may have held up better then anyone else in teh squad in 33 because she was just a better soldier. And it may have been the mental strain that she was handling better, rather then the physical pain.

They do get sick. Boomer suffered from radiation poisoning also. She did her fair share of vomiting.

As for Anders and the Pneumonia: eh, season 3? Infected Satellite? They can be killed by the common cold. I suspect they can get hit by Pneumonia as well.

User45701

Kiith wrote: »

TAs for Anders getting pneumonia, why wouldnt this happen? We dont know enough about the hybrids physiology to say if they cant get sick

Em was it was revelaed in season 3 that human form cylons dont get ill, thats why the virus was such a big deal when it infected their baseship?

nhughes100 wrote: »

I'm thinking that none of them are and the cylons have found a way to get into their heads. Baltar is definitely a cylon, he got killed in the very first episode, remember the bomb went off and hit behind number six to shield him from the blast? Didn't do him much harm eh?

Also if there's only one left and Balter is that one it procludes the chance of there being a cylon on Earth which would be a cool finale.

Either way I can't wait for season 4.

No, i dont think balatar is a cylon but then again with bsg you just dont know. i just think if he was a cylon whats special about him why didnt he activate with the other 4? the 5th cylon is eithe rdead or not on the ship. If it is Kara it would explain allot, she like the 4 would try to hide it but she still wants whats best for the human race but i just cant get what the cylon god said out of my head....

Sherifu wrote: »

I'm thinking Baltar, Starbuck or the president.

Baltar - Yes it does make sense, infact it explains everything but my gut tells me its not him

Starbuck - As i said above its a good possibality and makes sence as well but i dont know.

Prez - Cancer, how could she get it if a cylon cant? But at the same time she does share visions with 6 and the 1/2 cylon child.

Theres a good reason for all 3 to be the cylon

Kiith wrote: »

Starbuck being the 5th seems almost too easy. Roslin...maybe. But there's no way Baltar will be a Cylon. If he was, it would take a lot away from his character, and cheapen the things that he has done, and things that have happened because of him (i.e New Caprica, death list etc...).

nhughes100 wrote: »

If he ain't a cylon, how is he still alive? He did all that stuff cos He just doesn't know he is a cylon like Boomer until the switch is flicked.

No..

like Adama said he is not guilty, i dont think he is a cylon. Baltar when you look at it all is the victim in everything...

He was suduced by a very hot woman, his race wiped out because of him (you cant say that wouldnt **** with you head)

He presses on but because it was not his fault he covers his tracks, the destruction of the olympic carrier for example with Dr anerack onboard

Everything baltar has done has been for himself, he is a good person and he is right, if he didnt surrender and do why the cylons wants the human race would have died with him, on new caprica...

Kiith wrote: »

He was only in the initial shockwave, and Six used her body to protect him. Remember, there was planty of survivors around when Boomer and Helo landed. Also, i think he'd remember waking up on a Cylon Resurrection Ship.

Was he not ogegen starved? and did he not admit to himself and was confirmed by head six that he was not a cylon?

EDIT

Overheal wrote: »

At the worst, Baltar is the same stuff as Starbuck. But I don't believe that.



They do get sick. Boomer suffered from radiation poisoning also. She did her fair share of vomiting.

As for Anders and the Pneumonia: eh, season 3? Infected Satellite? They can be killed by the common cold. I suspect they can get hit by Pneumonia as well.

Boomer had radiation poisining? when do you mean season 1? she insisted he (helo) take the meds - she didnt take them. Cylons dont suffer from radation sickness otherwide they would have been zero skin jobs on caprica

Gummy Panda

User45701 wrote: »

Boomer had radiation poisining? when do you mean season 1? she insisted he (helo) take the meds - she didnt take them. Cylons dont suffer from radation sickness otherwide they would have been zero skin jobs on caprica

I think he means the episode where they jump between the star cluster as they guided the fleet.

I remember Athene vomiting and looking ropey after getting out of the raptor.

User45701

was that not your one, kat was it?

Overheal

Panda has his wires crossed: she was vomiting on New Caprica.

Dr. Baltar

Kendra Shaw?

The Original Cylon Hybrid knew she was destined to meet her, perhaps this was all apart of their programming?

Jim

Well after ep2 its safe to say that the Cylon's didn't activate the four final five with the music. I think the theroy that the final five have been around longer than even the original Cylon's is a decent one.

My own theroy of the whole situation is that the final five are left over from another civilisation (as someone said "this has all happened before") possibly Earth. The colonies were set up as an experiment away from Earth (the purpose of which I can't figure out yet, possibly to see if humans could live a different way if given a fresh start or does our nature make certain things inevidible). The final five were put on the colonies as observers or supervisors in order to make sure that certain things happened. This means they might be as old as the colonies themselves, or perhaps that their programming was passed on to their children and then the children took up this role. The Earth civilisation created the colonies religion as a way to make sure they one day did reach Earth (this would explain all of the strange things that happened that are linked to the religion). Gallactica is taking a very specific route toward Earth, largely guided by this religion. The final five may have been programmed to hear the music and activate when they reached the nebula at the end of s3 as it was marked as one of the sign posts to Earth. Perhaps they needed to be activated at this late stage in order to bring both Cylon's and Human's together for the last leg of their trip.

There is definatly a higher power at work, but I think its not activatly at work. As I said I think everything was pre planned from Earth thousands of years ago and its just playing out. The constant references about how certain things are inevitable and everything has happened before and will happen again seems to support this. The Cylons role in story is of the persuer. They gave Gallactica and the fleet a reason to find Earth and never allowed them any rest. The only time this deviated is when the fleet settled on New Caprica, but this was only temporary as the Cylons showed up and made them search for Earth once more.

Its because of this that I dont' think Baltar is one of the final five. Their job seems to be the same as the Cylons, to actively force the fleet to keep searching for Earth. Baltar is counter to this since he was the one who decided to settle on New Caprica. For me the strongest candidate is Roslen. She has always been the biggest driving force in the search for Earth. If what I said before about the final five being older than the colonies and the religion being invented for a specific purpose then this supports Roslen as a Cylon theroy. I think she has been the one most associated with the religion as a prophet etc (all the stuff about the vision of snakes etc). All of her visions and her apperently miraclous recovery for a brief period so she could find the way to Earth could all be part of her programming. She also couldn't kill Starbuck (missed at close range) because Starbuck knows the way to Earth and her programming wouldn't allow it.

The only thing I can't figure out is Baltar's visions of Six and her vise versa. The only really realistic explanation is that he is a Cylon. I think perhaps though his main role will be bringing Cylons and Humans together in the end along with Six.

conzy

Baltar is the one true god he has been praying too? Oh snap!

Just a random thought......

Talisman

That would be funny and explain alot.

Stark

User45701 wrote: »

Em was it was revelaed in season 3 that human form cylons dont get ill, thats why the virus was such a big deal when it infected their baseship?

The Final Five are a different design to the seven cylon models that we previously knew about. This was something that was hinted at throughout Season 3 and clarified in the podcasts. It's not even certain yet if the Final Five have multiple copies or can resurrect in the same manner as the "Significant Seven".

John_C

Jimeatsmenu wrote: »

Well after ep2 its safe to say that the Cylon's didn't activate the four final five with the music. I think the theroy that the final five have been around longer than even the original Cylon's is a decent one.

My own theroy of the whole situation is that the final five are left over from another civilisation (as someone said "this has all happened before") possibly Earth. The colonies were set up as an experiment away from Earth (the purpose of which I can't figure out yet, possibly to see if humans could live a different way if given a fresh start or does our nature make certain things inevidible). The final five were put on the colonies as observers or supervisors in order to make sure that certain things happened. This means they might be as old as the colonies themselves, or perhaps that their programming was passed on to their children and then the children took up this role. The Earth civilisation created the colonies religion as a way to make sure they one day did reach Earth (this would explain all of the strange things that happened that are linked to the religion). Gallactica is taking a very specific route toward Earth, largely guided by this religion. The final five may have been programmed to hear the music and activate when they reached the nebula at the end of s3 as it was marked as one of the sign posts to Earth. Perhaps they needed to be activated at this late stage in order to bring both Cylon's and Human's together for the last leg of their trip.

There is definatly a higher power at work, but I think its not activatly at work. As I said I think everything was pre planned from Earth thousands of years ago and its just playing out. The constant references about how certain things are inevitable and everything has happened before and will happen again seems to support this. The Cylons role in story is of the persuer. They gave Gallactica and the fleet a reason to find Earth and never allowed them any rest. The only time this deviated is when the fleet settled on New Caprica, but this was only temporary as the Cylons showed up and made them search for Earth once more.

Its because of this that I dont' think Baltar is one of the final five. Their job seems to be the same as the Cylons, to actively force the fleet to keep searching for Earth. Baltar is counter to this since he was the one who decided to settle on New Caprica. For me the strongest candidate is Roslen. She has always been the biggest driving force in the search for Earth. If what I said before about the final five being older than the colonies and the religion being invented for a specific purpose then this supports Roslen as a Cylon theroy. I think she has been the one most associated with the religion as a prophet etc (all the stuff about the vision of snakes etc). All of her visions and her apperently miraclous recovery for a brief period so she could find the way to Earth could all be part of her programming. She also couldn't kill Starbuck (missed at close range) because Starbuck knows the way to Earth and her programming wouldn't allow it.

The only thing I can't figure out is Baltar's visions of Six and her vise versa. The only really realistic explanation is that he is a Cylon. I think perhaps though his main role will be bringing Cylons and Humans together in the end along with Six.

I like your theory. It has a lot of parallels in Asimov's writing.

EffeekO

This is actually a bit of a spoiler, actually its a kinda huge spoiler, anyone whos seen the "last supper" mock up will know what im talkin about, one of the creators was talkin bout the picture and the fact that there is only 12 ppl in the picture would suggest that theres 1 guest missing from the table, the final cylon model, which would make everyone else at the table out of the running for final cylon, both Adamas, Baltar, Kara, Helo, and Roslin

Overheal

Thats if you beleive that theyd give it away in such a ridiculously blatant manner.

cyrusdvirus

Are we sure that the 5th one even exists yet......

Could it possible be a baby born of a future Hera/Nicky union???

Kiith

Could it be Hera?

Stark

No.

It was stated that there were 12 cylon models long before the cylon babies came along.

EffeekO

Overheal wrote: »

Thats if you beleive that theyd give it away in such a ridiculously blatant manner.

But whats the point in doing a last supper mock up if theres not gonna be the right amount of ppl at the table, obviously one is missin, besides its a better theory than it being nicky or hera, seriously like!

cyrusdvirus

EffeekO wrote: »

But whats the point in doing a last supper mock up if theres not gonna be the right amount of ppl at the table, obviously one is missin, besides its a better theory than it being nicky or hera, seriously like!

Yeah, sure who'd think Tigh is a cylon..........oh..wait a minute.......

My point is that RDM has consistently caught us out from left field here. I don't honestly think that Hera OR Nicky are regarded as one of the final 5 (probably cos i can count) but nothing has been straight forward in this show so far

Kiith

Stark wrote: »

No.

It was stated that there were 12 cylon models long before the cylon babies came along.

Well **** you too I dont know who it is then. I'm happy to wait and see though.

Overheal

EffeekO wrote: »

But whats the point in doing a last supper mock up if theres not gonna be the right amount of ppl at the table, obviously one is missin, besides its a better theory than it being nicky or hera, seriously like!

because they can set it up in all of 15 minutes and give us all a chuckle? :rolleyes:

smurfit06

guys sorry to have to share this but:
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Moore-Offers-New-Clues-About-Battlestar-Galactica-8129.html?tid=577

Only look if you want to cancel people out of your Cylon theory. Oh and the last supper photo has a blank space (seen as number 10 in this versiion of the photo) this represents the Fifth!

cyrusdvirus

The last supper pic is a hinderance not a help.....Tori is also missing from it.

What about Tom Zarek? he cared enough about humanities children that he went to jail as a freedom fighter for one particular colony.
If we go with the assumption that each cylon is representive of each colony this kinda makes sense.

EffeekO

Yeah we cant understand why Tori was left outta it either, its not like shes not important anymore, but we totally agree with ya on the whole a cylon for every colony theory, it makes sense 12 models 4 12 colonies, which begs the qs, will there be a familiar face when they reach earth, thats just a writers wet dream right there!

Dr. Baltar

Yeah, I thought that too - a cylon for every colony.
If that's the case, who's to say that there isn't a 13th model for Earth

Johnny Storm

Stark wrote: »

It was stated that there were 12 cylon models long before the cylon babies came along.

That's right. At the very end of the miniseries Adama finds a note on his desk saying "there are only 12 Cylon models".

Slightly off topic but just for my info, was it ever established or was there ever even a good speculation as to who put that note there?

fguihen

this may be too obvious, but the Admiral is still a contender. remember in crossroads #2 Adama tells Saul that he believes him about the music when Saul is practically hysterical in his office.

perhaps he could hear the music. the reason he didnt go to the gym and meet with the other 4 is, like the rest, he is duty bound and it was his duty to be in CIC at that time due to the impending battle.

cyrusdvirus

Well it certainly can't be Zack Adama.

Unless SOMEHOW the cylons planted the memory of a son in the Admirals head, the idea of a brother in Lee's and the idea of a partner in Starbucks.

Khannie

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Slightly off topic but just for my info, was it ever established or was there ever even a good speculation as to who put that note there?

I assumed it was either Baltar (racked with guilt) or another cylon (less likely).

Sir Baralot wrote: »

Yeah, I thought that too - a cylon for every colony.
If that's the case, who's to say that there isn't a 13th model for Earth

Nice theory.

kevmy

I reckon the Final Cylon was not on Galctica when the others where hearing the music otherwise they would have heard it to and activated.

If this is right we can rule out both Adama's, Roslin (who I think we can rule out due to cancer anyway), along with Baltar, Dee, Gaeta, Cally, Helo and most other characters mentioned.

The only ones still alive we can't rule out are Zarek and Starbuck. Starbuck is a little obvious and from the way it's going it looks like she does know the way to Earth so she's not crazy. Whether this rules her out from being a Cylon I'm not sure.

Zarek is a definite option.

Of the dead characters I think Admiral Cain and Kendra Shaw are the 2 with strongest possibilities. Cain cos she was such a brilliant character and Shaw because she saw the Cylon God guy and got information on Starbuck which was left a bit unfinished.

fitz

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I don't think the final five are cylons as we define them.
So activation or any other rules about cylons don't necessarily apply.
I suspect that they're some kind of genetic descendants of the Lords of Kobol, who were the "cylons" to the humans of the time. I think the final five have been living (unaware) in humanity since that time. Or the genetics to identify them have been passed along in humanity at least. I also think whoever/whatever brought Starbuck to/from Earth are the same person(s)/entities/faction as Head 6 and Head Baltar, and were responsible for both the music the 4 heard, and the development of Cylons after the first Cylon war.

amen

I think Lees ex wife (dee?) put the note in Adamas office and might be the final one!


as for the other 4 still not sure they are cyclons in the conventional sense

EffeekO

Why was it that they could only hear the music from inside galactica,could other ships hear it too, if they could then that means that the final cylon is dead/reborn already and couldnt be activated or was already off the fleet, Starbuck,, who wud at the min be too obvious a choice, im still stickin wit Ellen as the final one, but Cain as a cylon would be frakken great, the look on 6s face would be priceless, ha you killed one of the final 5!!Dumb bitch.

User45701

Ye but why does noone else think about Shaw? I mean the clyon god called her his child? if it was shaw then it would explain why she wasent activated because she had already ressurected and wa snot with the fleet and could not hear the music.

If its shaw i would be happy enough with that although i do want it to be a main charactor (but that would leave the question as to why they didnt hear the music as well, unless the 5th cylon did hear the music but didnt act on it?)

Still Shaw is a safe bet, but like Kara/Baltar seems a bit too obvious.

Jim

EffeekO wrote: »

Why was it that they could only hear the music from inside galactica,could other ships hear it too, if they could then that means that the final cylon is dead/reborn already and couldnt be activated or was already off the fleet, Starbuck,, who wud at the min be too obvious a choice, im still stickin wit Ellen as the final one, but Cain as a cylon would be frakken great, the look on 6s face would be priceless, ha you killed one of the final 5!!Dumb bitch.

I don't think it was coming from inside Galactica. As I said in my previous post I think that the nebula was set up as a trigger to activate the final five, so I think that the nebula itself was creating the music (the final five stopped hearing it when they jumped out), so I think they way they were putting their ears to the bulkheads was to hear the music from outside, rather than inside the ship.

So yea, I assume the other ships could hear the same music if any of the five were on it.

kevmy

User45701 wrote: »

Ye but why does noone else think about Shaw? I mean the clyon god called her his child? if it was shaw then it would explain why she wasent activated because she had already ressurected and wa snot with the fleet and could not hear the music.

If its shaw i would be happy enough with that although i do want it to be a main charactor (but that would leave the question as to why they didnt hear the music as well, unless the 5th cylon did hear the music but didnt act on it?)

Still Shaw is a safe bet, but like Kara/Baltar seems a bit too obvious.

Well I wouldn't have called Tori a main character before her revelation as a Cylon. And not really Sam either.

I think it would be Admiral Cain over Shaw cos Cain is a stronger more important character.

Jimeatsmenu wrote: »

I don't think it was coming from inside Galactica. As I said in my previous post I think that the nebula was set up as a trigger to activate the final five, so I think that the nebula itself was creating the music (the final five stopped hearing it when they jumped out), so I think they way they were putting their ears to the bulkheads was to hear the music from outside, rather than inside the ship.

So yea, I assume the other ships could hear the same music if any of the five were on it.

Either way the person would have to be within the fleet which rules out loads of people.

User45701

Jimeatsmenu wrote: »

I don't think it was coming from inside Galactica. As I said in my previous post I think that the nebula was set up as a trigger to activate the final five, so I think that the nebula itself was creating the music (the final five stopped hearing it when they jumped out), so I think they way they were putting their ears to the bulkheads was to hear the music from outside, rather than inside the ship.

So yea, I assume the other ships could hear the same music if any of the five were on it.

I thought that the 5 wherever they where heard it, as a trigger, we only saw 4 of them hear the music a 5th could have heard it and activated elsewhere.

Jim

User45701 wrote: »

I thought that the 5 wherever they where heard it, as a trigger, we only saw 4 of them hear the music a 5th could have heard it and activated elsewhere.

Elsewhere in the fleet or on a Cylon ship I agree with, but I still think the Nebula itself is a trigger (the people who wrote the course to Earth specified this as a place to go, and then Roslen says "It wasn't the way to Earth, it was only a road sign", perhaps indicating that the final five are the way to Earth). So the final five needed to be in the Nebula in order to hear the music.

Jim

kevmy wrote: »

Either way the person would have to be within the fleet which rules out loads of people.

Not necessarily. The fifth and final Cylon might not have activated yet.

fitz

And "activating" might be a moot point, as they might not be Cylons.
I still don't think they are. Just because the 7 known models all believe that the final five are five other models just like them, doesn't mean they are.

kevmy

Jimeatsmenu wrote: »

Not necessarily. The fifth and final Cylon might not have activated yet.

Well OK but I'm not sure that makes sense. They are supposed to be the final 5, not the penultimate 4 and the last one.

User45701

Kevmy is right, i dont see how only 4 could activate? Unless the 5th cylon is the hybrid? but Ron himself said to consider that to be model Zero and not of the 12...

Mr E

My theory is that its Lee Adama.

1. He is getting into a position of power (he could very well become president when Roslyn goes)
2. Wasn't he off the ship with Starbuck when the music was playing?

Could make for a nice father/son showdown near the end of the series.