the inconsistencies thread [spoilers]

somuj

Sherifu wrote: »

You remember that time they went through a sun, and it was bad. I guess that's why they go up, down, left, right.

that never made alot of sense to me as the wormhole is travelling thru another dimension so it shudnt ave any effect on anything in our dimensions.

Overheal

somuj wrote: »

Ya know when ya actually see inside the wormhole and it turns left and right and up and down, that don't make alot of sense to me. It seems to elongate the journey. Me tinks a wormhole is a shortcut thru another dimension between two points in spacetime and shud be in a straight line like two funnels connecting on the narrow end.

Wormholes are entirely theoretical, based on Einstein's theories of relativity, and there has never been an observation of one existing in nature. Some theoretical models permit travel between dimensions, while others link 2 locations in the same space-time-universe.

Also according to Einsteins theory, over vast distances even light is affected by gravity. From a science fiction point of view, it seems reasonable that over thousands of light years (diameter of Milky Way approx 100,000 light years) That a (Theoretical) wormhole, would be affected by gravity.

In the case of the episode where the Earth Dialing Computer bypasses DHD safety protocols - the protocol was in place because there was no way (at least at that time of year) to connect to the offworld planet without passing through it's sun - wormholes cant exactly turn on a dime, so circumventing around it would have been impossible.

The episode was Red Sky, 5x05

And Science Fiction is just that.

don ramo

on the carson flying the city, if he can use the weapons platform on atlantis, and not fly at the same time, due to the fact hes not the best at it, shouldnt he have gone to earth and manned the area 51 weapons platform, and have sheppard fly the city as he can fly and fire at the same time,

also i like the fact that carson came full circle, from being afraid to sit in the antartic chair, to actually flying atlantis, nice,


and the wormhole

why show it at all, after all its instantanious travel, which means instant, not 30 seconds

JohnK

don ramo wrote: »

on the carson flying the city, if he can use the weapons platform on atlantis, and not fly at the same time, due to the fact hes not the best at it, shouldnt he have gone to earth and manned the area 51 weapons platform, and have sheppard fly the city as he can fly and fire at the same time

It was nothing to do with skill it was due to the amount of power available. There simply wasnt enough to perform both tasks at the same time. Everything they had done to get to earth so quickly nearly drained the ZPMs.

Overheal

The Wormhole Drive used to get from the edge of the Milky Way to Earth supposedly drained much of the city's power. It wasnt possible to fire drones and use the Star Drive at the same time. Just like in First Strike (season 3 finale), the City couldnt reach escape velocity while the shields were engaged.

don ramo wrote: »

why show it at all, after all its instantanious travel, which means instant, not 30 seconds

Dramatic Effect. and the average travel time is 6 seconds according to wiki.

somuj

Overheal wrote: »

Dramatic Effect. and the average travel time is 6 seconds according to wiki.

wiki is wrong as per usual the average travel time is 0.3 of a second. Ripple effect season 9.

Overheal

Yea? Well Zap! Oh did that hurt? Zap! Haha you be ded. Zap oh hey where did you go?

somuj

Overheal wrote: »

Yea? Well Zap! Oh did that hurt? Zap! Haha you be ded. Zap oh hey where did you go?

Very insightful

Overheal

I thought so. Welcome to boards old-timer.

senordingdong

Did we do the one about Teal'c's rope versus the lodged puddle jumper?

Overheal

twice.

senordingdong

It's that damn important!

Lobelia Overhill

senordingdong wrote: »

Did we do the one about Teal'c's rope versus the lodged puddle jumper?

I missed that one! Do tell!

Ya know when ya actually see inside the wormhole and it turns left and right and up and down, that don't make alot of sense to me.

"In space, all movement is relative" Rodney McKay PhD The Defiant One (to explain his crap flying skillz LOL)

senordingdong

Lobelia Overhil wrote: »

I missed that one! Do tell!

In season 3 of SG-1 Jack gets trapped on some planet after the gate gets hit by a meteor.
Teal'c goes through after him and shoots a rope/grappling kajiger through the gate and it lodges and he goes through.

Though in Atlantis, when they got the jumoer lodged in the gate in season 1, the scientists tel Weir that the front half of the ship won't come out the other side untill the entire ship enters the wormhole.

Grinded with me.

Lobelia Overhill

senordingdong wrote: »

In season 3 of SG-1 Jack gets trapped on some planet after the gate gets hit by a meteor.
Teal'c goes through after him and shoots a rope/grappling kajiger through the gate and it lodges and he goes through.

I remember that one, didn't he have the rope coiled around his shoulder or something tho'?

*digs out DVD to watch again*

I did find the logic in Thirty Eight Minutes a bit odd ... but I couldn't think of another situation where something similar happened. I remember Teal'c holding Kowalski's head in the puddle and the wormhole being shut down to kill the Goa'uld - but that's not the same thing
Then there was the episode where Teal'c was trapped in the Gate's buffer, but that was different as well ...

somuj

In the episode the nox all the Jaffa that aphophis had with him were branded with the Gold tattoo, hardly all first primes were they??

And also the ancients being defeated by the wraith. Thats like humanity letting ants rise up and taking over the world.

and why the hell didn't they put the shield up when ford stole the puddle jumper in the seige part 3??

somuj

In the episode the nox all the Jaffa that aphophis had with him were branded with the Gold tattoo, hardly all first primes were they??

And also the ancients being defeated by the wraith. Thats like humanity letting ants rise up and taking over the world.

and why the hell didn't they put the shield up when ford stole the puddle jumper in the seige part 3??

Overheal

Maybe they were all just...Primes? Apophis was always a bit different.

Sherifu

So gold means they're first primes. Didn't know that.

JohnK

somuj wrote: »

And also the ancients being defeated by the wraith. Thats like humanity letting ants rise up and taking over the world.

It was purely down to numbers and the ancients were hugely outnumbered so the wraith just threw wave after wave of soldiers against them. Having super advanced tech is bugger all use if the enemy are prepared to lose a thousand soldiers to kill just one of you - especially when you take the wraiths regenerative abilities into account.

somuj wrote: »

and why the hell didn't they put the shield up when ford stole the puddle jumper in the seige part 3??

I think it was said in the series that the ancient ships could pass through the shield as if it wasn't even there similar to the

asguard

ship in the final season. I'm open to correction on that though.

Lobelia Overhill

JohnK wrote: »

I think it was said in the series that the ancient ships could pass through the shield as if it wasn't even there similar to the

asguard

ship in the final season. I'm open to correction on that though.

That's what I would have said, I'm pretty sure the Gate shield only stops something incoming ....

and ditto on the Wraith, it's been stated at least once that they "won" by sheer force of numbers.

Summat that occurred to me when re-watching First Strike - the Replicators are building ships to attack Earth .. whyzat then? Don't they have an Atlantis style intergalactic city/ship that they could have flown to the Milky Way?

Overheal

So effing true. You'd imagine with limitless ZPM potential they would have simply shot down the warheads or raised shields around strategic locations (or the entire effing planet)

Lobelia Overhill

Sunday, Submersion, and First Strike are useless waste of space episodes that serve no purpose whatsoever.

Sunday is a 5 minutes story stretched over 42 minutes by showing the same thing over and over from different angles - now I don't have a problem with that as a mode of telling a story, but in this case it's only for the sake of killing Carson.

Submersion is The Defiant One with a Queen instead of a male Wraith, and is only there to introduce the idea of an alternate (and totally redundant - why would the Ancient's need a geothermal drilling platform? What was wrong with their ZPMS?) power source that gets used in First Strike to power the city's lift off.

First Strike is total bolox, there's no logic whatsoever behind the whole idea that the Replicators would be building ships to attack Earth, why go to Earth to kill humans, when there are plenty in Pegasus to go after?
Why is the US military allowed to order foreigners (Rodney and Radek) to do their bidding? (isn't the expedition a civilian run thing?)
Let's get this straight in First Strike 6 Mk IX "Gatebusters" only managed to destroy some partially built ships? WTF? Surely that many mk IX's would have blown a hole in the planet? What caused the planet to explode in Be All My Sins ... ? Something about a huge deposit of Durinium (was it? I can't remember!)
Did the writers not pay any attention to what happened in previous episodes?

:mad:

Sam Vimes

Bajingo wrote: »

One that confused me was when Carter met the Carter(with the long hair)from another reality and they could'nt exist in the same reality..but since then that doesnt seem to be a problem like when Rodney McCay had another Rodney in his reality nobody was dying then...I may have missed them explain this.

and even in the episode where the two carters couldn't exist together, they explained the fact that daniel was ok by saying the daniel from that reality was dead. but why does that even matter? all the same duplicated atoms still exist, the only difference is his heart isn't beating

somuj

Sam Vimes wrote: »

and even in the episode where the two carters couldn't exist together, they explained the fact that daniel was ok by saying the daniel from that reality was dead. but why does that even matter? all the same duplicated atoms still exist, the only difference is his heart isn't beating

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Volvagia

Maybe this one is a bit too picky but;

Children of the Gods (And a few others i think): How can something about the size of a snake jump in though someones ear and coil around their spinal column without ripping a massive hole/killing them.

JohnK

I cant remember them ever going in through the ear, usually its by the back of the neck or throat. I'd image any damage caused during their entry would be immediately healed by them once they get in as its then in their own best interests to do so.

Feral Mutant

ZondaChai wrote: »

Another thing about the kull warriors, they had machine gun staff weapons. If the goa'uld can make machine gun staff weapons, why doesn't every jaffa have one. It's the same as sending all the SG teams out with just pistols.

Same reason the other jaffa didn't have the kull armour or shield. They worked for Anubis who had better technology than the other gou'ld.

When Ronon got captured and made a runner again, they found him by using the tracker to see the locations of all the runners in the galaxy. I would've thought they'd go to those planets later and offer to remove the trackers from the other runners. Since there was a runner in a later episode, did they just leave them?

Why did they never cloak the jumper before going through the gate?

Lobelia Overhill

Feral Mutant wrote: »

When Ronon got captured and made a runner again, they found him by using the tracker to see the locations of all the runners in the galaxy. I would've thought they'd go to those planets later and offer to remove the trackers from the other runners. Since there was a runner in a later episode, did they just leave them?

Rodney said the signals they were picking up [in that episode] might not all be Runners, but I always thought it was mean of them not to check!

Why did they never cloak the jumper before going through the gate?

We don't know ...

Overheal

JohnK wrote: »

I cant remember them ever going in through the ear, usually its by the back of the neck or throat. I'd image any damage caused during their entry would be immediately healed by them once they get in as its then in their own best interests to do so.

Though it does heal quickly, there is still a scar left behind. I don't think they have ever entered through an ear. A mouth, a neck, never an ear. If they had I'd have told you they collapse their bones or something kinda in the opposite way a snake unhinges its jaw to eat.