the inconsistencies thread [spoilers]

Overheal

A thread for all of those stupid goings on that drive you insane. For example...

I was watching an episode from season 3 of atlantis where

the replicators occupy the city

What really gets me, is 2 things:

1. The replicators fire drones at Sheppard's jumper and he evades them by going underwater. Later in the same episode, Beckett uses the drone chair to fire drones underwater, hitting the City Star Drive.

2. ZPMs. The replicators brought 3 ZPMs with them to power the city shield and the Star Drive. After the replicators are overthrown, where the hell do the ZPMs disappear?

and wtf is up with Tealc wearing Gold facepaint in the first few seasons?

Sherifu

In the pilot episode, Apophis and his goons come to make trouble through the gate on Earth. There is no DHD and they don't use the computer based dialing device to dial out. So how do they dial the gate?

dudara

Overheal wrote: »

and wtf is up with Tealc wearing Gold facepaint in the first few seasons?

Did the gold paint thing disappear when he lost his symbiote and starting taking that drug instead? Or did it happen before that?

User45701

Before that.

Great thread btw. but my mind is blank now. I know there a good few that i dont get but my mind is all gone.

Sherifu

Zats - Doing whatever the script requires.

Johnmb

Sherifu wrote: »

In the pilot episode, Apophis and his goons come to make trouble through the gate on Earth. There is no DHD and they don't use the computer based dialing device to dial out. So how do they dial the gate?

They used the arm-band type dialing device. The main inconsistency would be that I don't recall Apophis using it again, but others have used similar devices throughout the series.

senordingdong

How about how every piece of alien technology has a usb port.

You'd think they'd upgrade to bluetooth.

Or better still, in 'Forever In A Day', Teal'c fire his rope through the gate and it comes out the other side. Yet in 'Thirty Eight Minutes', we're toild that the jumper can't rematerialise untill it is fully entered.

Sherifu

Johnmb wrote: »

They used the arm-band type dialing device.

That's the popular explanation.

JIZZLORD

Overheal wrote: »

and wtf is up with Tealc wearing Gold facepaint in the first few seasons?

dudara wrote: »

Did the gold paint thing disappear when he lost his symbiote and starting taking that drug instead? Or did it happen before that?

from the episode citizen joe :
JOE: I know the hair makes you look different, but didn't you used to be more gold-colored?


i had a good chuckle when this was pointed out

Stabshauptmann

Can bearly remember the episode and havent been following SGA so maybe theres an easy explanation but:

SG1 dialed the supergate from pegasus to prevent Ori reinforcements. What was stopping the wraith from invading the milky way this way?

helimachoptor

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

Can bearly remember the episode and havent been following SGA so maybe theres an easy explanation but:

SG1 dialed the supergate from pegasus to prevent Ori reinforcements. What was stopping the wraith from invading the milky way this way?

They need a ZPM to power the gate to get a connection from Pegasus to the milkyway.

User45701

No the gate was active. The gate being active was what stoped ori reinforcemetns from comming true. The wraith could have invaded though that gate, there was nothing to stop them.

Razers Edge

Overheal wrote: »

A thread for all of those stupid goings on that drive you insane. For example...

I was watching an episode from season 3 of atlantis where

the replicators occupy the city

What really gets me, is 2 things:

1. The replicators fire drones at Sheppard's jumper and he evades them by going underwater. Later in the same episode, Beckett uses the drone chair to fire drones underwater, hitting the City Star Drive.

2. ZPMs. The replicators brought 3 ZPMs with them to power the city shield and the Star Drive. After the replicators are overthrown, where the hell do the ZPMs disappear?

and wtf is up with Tealc wearing Gold facepaint in the first few seasons?

The 2nd thing was explained in the series

1 ZPM stayed on atlantis to power the shield etc, the other 2 were sent to earth to 1 power the chair in antartica, and the other for use on the Opollo (earth ship), in the fight against the Ori

Overheal

Sherifu wrote: »

In the pilot episode, Apophis and his goons come to make trouble through the gate on Earth. There is no DHD and they don't use the computer based dialing device to dial out. So how do they dial the gate?

the answer to that is the even bigger spoof youre missing: they dialled the gate and killed all the poor poker rookies. They never re-dialed: the gate stayed active and they went back through: the first and only time anyone is seen using a worm hole bi-directionally.

Razer when exactly did that happen/get mentioned? Tbh im missing all of the episodes after Return Pt II.

I dont see why they didnt just bring the city to Earth to fight the Ori: Screw the Apollo!

edit: very good point about the supergate. But theyd have to know about it: who needs to go travelling around a black hole to find an active stargate? Who has the time? Id say they simply never picked up on it.

Also: Wraith Stun Tech. When a Dart captures mcKay he is released from the transporter hold and as a result, is stunned. Because apparently its designed to do that. When Wraith are transported in it, it doesnt. Theyre immune to it supposedly. So how come they can still be affected by Stun weapons? And in season 4 there was a mock version of the old Ring Transporter that used Wraith teleporter tech... the team went through it and didnt so much as get dizzy: killed every wraith on the other side -_-

Sherifu

Overheal wrote: »

the answer to that is the even bigger spoof youre missing: they dialled the gate and killed all the poor poker rookies. They never re-dialed: the gate stayed active and they went back through: the first and only time anyone is seen using a worm hole bi-directionally.

Razer when exactly did that happen/get mentioned? Tbh im missing all of the episodes after Return Pt II.

I dont see why they didnt just bring the city to Earth to fight the Ori: Screw the Apollo!

I shall rewatch at the earliest oppertunity to confirm.

Overheal

edit: here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HzmsyibX7Y damn apparently not. Maybe it was the DHD thing that pissed me off.

new one though: those snake guards were almost bullet broof. since when?

Razers Edge

Overheal wrote: »

Razer when exactly did that happen/get mentioned? Tbh im missing all of the episodes after Return Pt II.

I dont see why they didnt just bring the city to Earth to fight the Ori: Screw the Apollo!

It was in the next episode 'echoes', Rodneywas argueing with Elizabeth for keeping the zpms, and they explained what the other 2 were used for, and btw it was the Odyssey, not the Apollo the zpm was used for, my mistake
Transcript of the episode is here http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/transcripts/312.shtml (contains spoilers)

Sherifu

Overheal wrote: »

edit: here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HzmsyibX7Y damn apparently not. Maybe it was the DHD thing that pissed me off.

new one though: those snake guards were almost bullet broof. since when?

In fairness with the M16s they took down two snakies. It's possible they improved the P90s and their bullets. We don't see how they dial out. What I noticed watching the clip though is the incomming gate spins. Usually incomming gates just light up one chevron at a time.

iUseVi

Sherifu wrote: »

In fairness with the M16s they took down two snakies. It's possible they improved the P90s and their bullets. We don't see how they dial out. What I noticed watching the clip though is the incomming gate spins. Usually incomming gates just light up one chevron at a time.

Can't remember the episode, but you are right about the P90s. They mention that they are using "armor piercing teflon coated rounds".

EDIT: Its "The Warrior" season 5.
http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/stargate/season5/stargate-518.htm

senordingdong

Yeah the incoming wormhole seems to be at the dramatic disposal of the script.

Sherifu

senordingdong wrote: »

Yeah the incoming wormhole seems to be at the dramatic disposal of the script.

I think the only time it spins like that is in the pilot, I could be wrong though.

senordingdong

No sometimes it does spin for an incoming wormhole sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it just explodes open.

Overheal

Sherifu wrote: »

In fairness with the M16s they took down two snakies. It's possible they improved the P90s and their bullets. We don't see how they dial out. What I noticed watching the clip though is the incomming gate spins. Usually incomming gates just light up one chevron at a time.

youre quite right about P-90s - the FN P-90 uses custom 5.7mm FN Armor Piercing rounds. As does its companion sidearm, the Five-seveN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90

Then of course they got rid of Daniel's sneezing, the freeze-effect from exiting a wormhole and since when does making it spin generate wind?

Stabshauptmann

Overheal wrote: »

youre quite right about P-90s - the FN P-90 uses custom 5.7mm FN Armor Piercing rounds. As does its companion sidearm, the Five-seveN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90

Then of course they got rid of Daniel's sneezing, the freeze-effect from exiting a wormhole and since when does making it spin generate wind?

The two things that very quickly disappeared were
A)The need to translate, everyone speaks English.
B)The need to commutate a new address for earth to dial home from other planets. In theory the address for earth is dependant or where you are dialling from - and this was supported in a few early episodes, and remember any time they talk about planetary drift. Now maybe as part of the mission briefings teams are told the relevant dial home sequence, but there are a few episodes where ppl dial home when they're not even sure where they are.

Michael Collins

Overheal wrote: »

Then of course they got rid of Daniel's sneezing

He started taking antihistamines.

the freeze-effect from exiting a wormhole

They explained this was because initially the alignment of the gate was off due to stellar drift which was uncompenstated for since they weren't using a DHD, hence they could only dial Abydos, but then Sam accounted for the variance...

and since when does making it spin generate wind?

Where did this happen again?

Sherifu

Michael Collins wrote: »

Where did this happen again?

The pilot. Linked above.

Overheal

Yea but anytime they explain that crap they know what theyre doing - theyll poke at themselves for it.

For example, the latest episode of SGA when Jon is thrown several thousand years into the future. Carter asks Rodney "Why didn't the gate's failsafe prevent the wormhole from locking?"

McKay mumbles a bunch of meaningless gibberish before assuring Shepphard he would give Zelenka a stern talking to. :rolleyes:

Overheal

Puddle Jumper: the episode where it gets stuck in the gate? they say it cant go through because it needs 'inertia' unless it has its drive pods extended. But every time one of those things flies out of atlantis it does no such thing. Even since day one.

And that

wraith clone facility? surely they would be just as happy if they built it to clone humans! Endless supplies of food.

JohnK

User45701 wrote: »

No the gate was active. The gate being active was what stoped ori reinforcemetns from comming true. The wraith could have invaded though that gate, there was nothing to stop them.

Wasn't that gate in Pegasus being powered by a black hole? I would think that is a deterrent to any wraith invasion - that and the fact the black hole disrupted communications so the wraith ship couldnt report the active wormhole to anyone before its destruction.

Stabshauptmann

Hey can anyone answer this one for me. I was just watching Last Stand (Part 2) (SG1 5x16 - the one where Daniel is at the system lord's summit).

Why are the goa'uld eating symbiotes?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it was a subtle mad cow disease bit

Sherifu

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

Hey can anyone answer this one for me. I was just watching Last Stand (Part 2) (SG1 5x16 - the one where Daniel is at the system lord's summit).

Why are the goa'uld eating symbiotes?

To kill off their competition as I recall. Not eating, just killing.

JIZZLORD

Overheal wrote: »

Puddle Jumper: the episode where it gets stuck in the gate? they say it cant go through because it needs 'inertia' unless it has its drive pods extended. But every time one of those things flies out of atlantis it does no such thing. Even since day one.

arent the gates in the pegasus galaxy larger?

Overheal

JIZZLORD wrote: »

arent the gates in the pegasus galaxy larger?

Nope. Remember it got stuck in a Pegasus gate.
Just rewatched that ep it had a few inconsistencies but ill let most of them slide on account of it being its 4th ep and all.

One thing that did bother me though was OK the jumper cannot get through except as one whole piece but surely anyone inside jumping freely into the event horizon would end up on the other side, ahead of the jumper?

aidan_walsh

surely anyone inside jumping freely into the event horizon would end up on the other side, ahead of the jumper?

Not if you consider that it would have to take the outermost shell of the item as the basis for what has to go through. Otherwise every time a jumper went through the gate the crew would be thrown out first and an x-ton spacecraft spat out on top of them

Overheal

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Not if you consider that it would have to take the outermost shell of the item as the basis for what has to go through. Otherwise every time a jumper went through the gate the crew would be thrown out first and an x-ton spacecraft spat out on top of them

But imagine the scene as it were in 38 minutes.

In the jumper you are sitting or you are standing, etc. etc. so your mass is attached to the jumper.

Now try and imagine if you were in that situation and you were to fire a bullet into the Event Horizon.

Sherifu

Overheal wrote: »

Now try and imagine if you were in that situation and you were to fire a bullet into the Event Horizon.

The bullet would be stored in the buffer until all off the jumper passed through the event horizon.

The_Minister

Overheal wrote: »

One thing that did bother me though was OK the jumper cannot get through except as one whole piece but surely anyone inside jumping freely into the event horizon would end up on the other side, ahead of the jumper?

Anyone remember Teal'c using a rope that was going through an active stargate?
(Stargate was lateral, they were rescueing RDA

User45701

Sherifu wrote: »

The pilot. Linked above.

I asumed it wasent wind and the tarp covering the gate was moving as the gate vibrated and spun.

Overheal wrote: »

Puddle Jumper: the episode where it gets stuck in the gate? they say it cant go through because it needs 'inertia' unless it has its drive pods extended. But every time one of those things flies out of atlantis it does no such thing. Even since day one.

And that

wraith clone facility? surely they would be just as happy if they built it to clone humans! Endless supplies of food.

Very good point about the cloning vacility

Overheal

children of the gods again!

A Death Glider had a ring transporter built into it and functioned exactly like a wraith dart: it also appeared much larger than normal but it was definitely a glider. it was used to teleport apophis to in front of the stargate.

DingChavez

Sherifu wrote: »

In fairness with the M16s they took down two snakies. It's possible they improved the P90s and their bullets. We don't see how they dial out. What I noticed watching the clip though is the incomming gate spins. Usually incomming gates just light up one chevron at a time.

The gates doing anything before a connection is made is inconsistent. That would it mean that the wormhole opens on the home side before it opens at the destination. Then the gate lighting up one chevron at a time is like the ringing of a phone. But don't both sides of the wormhole need to be connected and open before it actually has a connection?

jor el

DingChavez wrote: »

The gates doing anything before a connection is made is inconsistent. That would it mean that the wormhole opens on the home side before it opens at the destination. Then the gate lighting up one chevron at a time is like the ringing of a phone. But don't both sides of the wormhole need to be connected and open before it actually has a connection?

All aspects of gate activity have always been very inconsistent. Sometimes, I've seen the iris code come through before the wormhole even opens. Sometimes, you see SG1, or others, run straight into the wormhole when it opens. This would suggest that it's opened at the other side straight away, and goes against seeing the chevrons light up one by one on the other side. When off-world, you often see an incoming wormhole open without any warning, other times the chevrons light up.

I try not to worry too much about it. They are traveling though artificial wormholes to various parts of the galaxy after all.

Varik

Overheal wrote: »

Puddle Jumper: the episode where it gets stuck in the gate? they say it cant go through because it needs 'inertia' unless it has its drive pods extended. But every time one of those things flies out of atlantis it does no such thing. Even since day one.

firstly what, inertia of a body is when it moves after the force causing the movement stops like when you kick a ball you onlt apply force for a moment it's inertia keeps it moving

the jumpers seem to move with the drive pods in, prod to do with the same device they float with

Overheal wrote: »

And that

wraith clone facility? surely they would be just as happy if they built it to clone humans! Endless supplies of food.

free range tastes better

thelordofcheese

Overheal wrote: »

And that

wraith clone facility? surely they would be just as happy if they built it to clone humans! Endless supplies of food.

Not really, it was established early on that the wraith culls serve two purposes. The first is to feed but the second is to wipe out any civilisation that looks like it might be getting even remotely close to mounting a challenge to the wraith. Hence why the Genii go to such lengths to conceal the true measure of their technology.

If they had battery humans they'd probably be less inclined to go cull planets and pretty quickly somone would get the drop on their now fat and lazy asses (which would be kinda ironic considering that's exactly how they whupped the ancients)

Rascal77

The puddle jumper had got stuck in the stargate half way through so the pilots had already gone into the event horizon.So when the engine was retracted there was no one to pilot it and the survivors couldn't go into the cockpit.Also because the ship wasn't all the way through the people inside the event horizon would be killed when the stargate shut down.

encryptix

The episode where carter blows a sun up using a stargate. They dial the gate on approach to the sun, but from other episodes i know that you have to be on/orbiting a planet to dial a gate.

norbert64

in 2001, are we to believe the SGC just left ambassador Joe to the mercy of the aschen?

Random

norbert64 wrote: »

in 2001, are we to believe the SGC just left ambassador Joe to the mercy of the aschen?

What could they do? There was no way to gate back to the planet (they gave them black hole address so their gate would be jammed) and they did not have any ships.

User45701

what about the lucian alliance? There was never a end of them, it was more like the time they arranged herours death, someone else just took over. The lucian alliance is still a powerfull force with many motherhships

Bajingo

One that confused me was when Carter met the Carter(with the long hair)from another reality and they could'nt exist in the same reality..but since then that doesnt seem to be a problem like when Rodney McCay had another Rodney in his reality nobody was dying then...I may have missed them explain this.

Overheal

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Not really, it was established early on that the wraith culls serve two purposes. The first is to feed but the second is to wipe out any civilisation that looks like it might be getting even remotely close to mounting a challenge to the wraith. Hence why the Genii go to such lengths to conceal the true measure of their technology.

If they had battery humans they'd probably be less inclined to go cull planets and pretty quickly somone would get the drop on their now fat and lazy asses (which would be kinda ironic considering that's exactly how they whupped the ancients)

As The Queen points out, any unknown number of feeding grounds has been infected with the Hoffman drug. The Wraith are running out of options in that regard.