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FlawedGenius

Kingdom wrote: »

Ah I'll be honest it is a little funny in fairness. But its also a bit degrading to the comp when the defending champ isn't involved.
Have to say though if he is playing all the time in CPM why did he join Lucan? its not like CPM have a worse senior team or anything? He would be playing amongst as many all ireland champs in lucan as are in cpm.

He never really talked to us in CPM and told Darren when he was leaving that he achieved all i can achieve with this club or sumtin cheesy like dat.He likes the Lucan lads i think.He just uses CPM as practice, even tho Lucans only 10 mins up the road its abit awkward to get to(no buses on them backroads) and he lives round the corner from CPM.Its nothing to do with All Ireland champions r anything.He probley thought he was too good for us ha yea rite..In fairness the comp secretary should of had a quick look through the names to make sure the Defending Champ is in it.

FlawedGenius

Wigertoods wrote: »

I'm quite sure if Fred was still registered with CPM this wouldn't have happened.

And yea he was gutted.Exactly Wiger it wouldnt have, bcoz were a tiny club, Darren would make last minute phonecalls if he was missing names, bcoz theres only a few of us.He asks everyone are u entering this and that, we dont even need to write our names on the sheet! We have the best Club secretary in Dublin! lol.Thats the benefit of a small club, were a close unit

Draupnir

I'm not exactly qualified to comment, but in any walk of life, I think that the chap should be giving the opportunity to enter on the grounds that it seems to be a genuine mistake and he is the defending champion.

No matter what, the competition will be devalued with the defending champion missing out when he is available to play.

The other point I would make is that its probably best to keep the amount of detail about real world arguments or controversies to a minimum here, these posts are not deleted after time and some people may take offense. I would be careful not to mention anything which may come back to bite you in the ass.

Up to this point I don't think anyone has.

In other news, I'll finally get my hands back on a wedge in 5 days and I can't wait to pitch a ball!

FlawedGenius

Eegorbishcan wrote: »

Hi Dug... The Gluepot is the nickname for CPM as far as I am aware... Harry can you confirm this???

The PUB is nicknamed the gluepot alright.Some people call the course it aswell, only green fee payers and people that wreck it Scumdalkin.How do u know the gluepot Mister? Do u live in the area??

Kingdom

Draupnir wrote: »

I'm not exactly qualified to comment, but in any walk of life, I think that the chap should be giving the opportunity to enter on the grounds that it seems to be a genuine mistake and he is the defending champion.

No matter what, the competition will be devalued with the defending champion missing out when he is available to play.

The other point I would make is that its probably best to keep the amount of detail about real world arguments or controversies to a minimum here, these posts are not deleted after time and some people may take offense. I would be careful not to mention anything which may come back to bite you in the ass.

Up to this point I don't think anyone has.

In other news, I'll finally get my hands back on a wedge in 5 days and I can't wait to pitch a ball!

Some wise words there Draupnir! Although, while a lot of what has been said here is just opinion, there's no malice in whats been said. Everyone agrees that the competition is devalued not having the defending champion in the field. However the responsibility is most definitely on the player. Particularily a player that has moved to a foreign club (in a parochial sense), and one which is far bigger with many more entries than his previous club.
another point which has absolutely no baring on the lad in question. While he is a Dublin champion Fred is quite young and we all know that many of the administrators of many clubs wouldn't know the best players as many stories from Opens and scratch cups would suggest, so its no too hard to believe that he was not even thought about when entries were being sent in.

Ps good to see the bug has you Draupnir!

Tipperman

Hey Lads

Just wondering, do any of ye know what Glenville is like at the moment. Was there for the launch of the draw but we weren't allowed play as it was Ladies Night or something.. It looked nice anyway

It should prove to be a very good weekend once again but one has to wonder, will Murphy be stopped... There seems to be a few interesting matches but the second round will see some big fallers in Downes or Carey, Buckley or Walsh..

There are some tough halves of the draw also but it remains to be seen who will have the bite to get through the tough games as Glenville will not be that easy to score on.... I see also they have extended the 14th to 62mts so that leaves a good tough last 6 holes.....

Just in case ye are wondering about Betting Odds
Jimmy Quinn, John Cahill and Frank Dineen are doing the book

Ray Murphy is 2/1
John Walsh 7/2
Sean Downes & William Buckley 6/1
Frank O'Donogue & Eddie Carey 10/1
Paul O'Brien & Frank Dineen 12/1
James Carroll & Liam O'Donovan 16/1
Kieran Dunscomber, Darren Thornberry, Jason O'Regan & Sean Harkins all 20/1
Any Dublin Overall Winner 7/1
Name Semi Finalists 8/1

Sat Matches
David Poole 6/4 v Kieran Dunscombe 1/2
Paul O'Brien Evs v Anthony Malone 4/5
Sean Downes 1/4 v Darren Thornberry 3/1

As I said it will be interesting especially Darren and Sean. Darren should have beaten Sean in Fermoy 2 years ago so he will be out for revenge.. Both are playing well at the moment also

utd for ever.

lads hows it going.great site.just a word about fred and the dublin m\p.in lucan there is always a big entry in comps and the club have a policy that its up to you to put your name down on sheets and pay your fee.the reason is some people were not paying a few years back and it became messy.lucan won away to old county last night 5 4.

utd for ever.

tipperman i was in glenvile yesterday.it looked well.only played 6 holes.the weather was shocking.hope to get up today.

Tipperman

Thanks Utd

Was it raining there or was it just windy.. If it was raining, I would imagine that the greens are very soft which in Glenville is not good as they will be very receptive to spin ie. 8,9,14,16 etc....

I am delighted when I looked up the PPUI site that it stated that only competitors will be allowed play... I really hope that they enforce that now as it can be very annoying trying to practice when others are holding up the place etc.....

Are you looking forward to it.. Have you a tough Draw.. Should be a great spectacle provided weather is kind...

Wigertoods

GerCPM wrote: »

And yea he was gutted.Exactly Wiger it wouldnt have, bcoz were a tiny club, Darren would make last minute phonecalls if he was missing names, bcoz theres only a few of us.He asks everyone are u entering this and that, we dont even need to write our names on the sheet! We have the best Club secretary in Dublin! lol.Thats the benefit of a small club, were a close unit

I must admit I would do the same in cy.Have made many last minute calls to make sure people didn't forget to put their name on entry sheets.We don't have to do this but i'd hate to see anybody miss out on an oversight.

Wigertoods

utd for ever. wrote: »

lads hows it going.great site.just a word about fred and the dublin m\p.in lucan there is always a big entry in comps and the club have a policy that its up to you to put your name down on sheets and pay your fee.the reason is some people were not paying a few years back and it became messy.lucan won away to old county last night 5 4.

I don't think anyone can argue with that policy.It really is up to the players to ensure they enter and pay up.Clubs with smaller entries do tend to notice the absence of names and give them a holler or even enter them regardless.If you have larger entries you may not notice missing names and definetly wouldn't have the option of ringing every member before an entry date closes.
I don't think anyone here blames the Lucan club but it is a shame a surely a harsh lesson.

Tipperman

Wigertoods wrote: »

I don't think anyone can argue with that policy.It really is up to the players to ensure they enter and pay up.Clubs with smaller entries do tend to notice the absence of names and give them a holler or even enter them regardless.If you have larger entries you may not notice missing names and definetly wouldn't have the option of ringing every member before an entry date closes.
I don't think anyone here blames the Lucan club but it is a shame a surely a harsh lesson.

Lads

I know in our Club we are constantly hounding people for money after they have entered Comps especially Prov/Nat.... In some cases you have to make some people suffer to set the right example although I can see the point lads are making....In the end though the responsibility lies with the player to ensure their name goes on the relevant sheet.. I know at the beginning of the year I pay my membership, entry to Nat/Prov and then the Onus is on the Comp Sec to ensure my name goes away... I do this cause I do not actually practice at my home club and therefore I might not be at the Club for a couple of weeks and hence miss the closing dates..
One thing I noticed though that ye may have an answer for. Lucan have a membership option where you can pre pay some competitions.. I wonder what comps they are for.. Why not do for all the Pre Entry Comps that are in Dublin/Prov & National Level.. It seems more logical than only doing it for 2 as it seems per their website...

It is a pity a reigning Champion isn't in the Competition.. I know in our County, if you failed to turn up for the Qual eventhough you are auto, you are ommitted and that your own fault but then again it is a Co Trial for us so you will always be playing etc....

Some good Draws in that Championship... It is a course I have yet to play but have good things about it... They have some good young players there who will learn a lot from the two Darren's

Tipperman

2008 National Matchplay Preview

The most eagerly anticipated sporting event of the year is almost upon us,the 48th National Matchplay under PPUI rule hosted by Dublins longest established pitch and putt club Glenville celebrating their 60th anniversary this year.

The draw for the first round took place at Glenville and for the first year was broadcast live on our own web based television station-ppuitv .Those who witnessed the draw would agree that we have some really exciting matches to look forward to.

The ladies Championship with 32 finalists opens with the no1 seed and last years champion Ger Ward facing Tara Dillon (St Bridgets).This is one of the matches to come out and watch in the top half .Ger who is vying for her 6th Matchplay title will have to be in top form to get through the Kildare inter county star and this tough first round clash.
The next match sees Helen Wynne(Erry) playing Dolores Monaghan (Shandon).St Bridgets Mary Sherry plays Linda o Donovan from (Douglas) in another close duel.While recent intermediate Munster Strokeplay champion Margaret Webster (Larkspur Park) takes on the experience of Martina Loakman (St Bridgets).
Former National Matchplay champion Sheelagh Elmes (Portmarnock) would be fancied to come through her match against Annie Galvin(Tullamore) and Shandons Maree o Toole was fortunate enough to receive the first of three bye’s in the tournament.Another close one to call should be Ger Holland (RGSC) and Yvonne Carey (Newtown) in the seventh match.The next seeded match sees the instantly recognisable Margaret Hogan who amazingly won her first National Matchplay title 28 years ago play Betty Smith of the host club. Margaret who is a serious contender for the title may have preferred an easier start to her 2008 campaign but any player with this amount of experience will be tough to overcome on any course.

The bottom half of the draw starts out with (Errys)Tracey McGrath who has just put together back to back Leinster Strokeplay titles playing Mary Donnelly (Ryston),Tracey on current form would be expected to come through this match and possibly meet up with (St Bridgets) Marian Byrne in the quarter finals Marian who has a first round bye and coincidentally won this title a decade ago was recently beaten in a playoff by Tracey for the provincial Strokeplay title at McDonagh.To reach the quarters though first Marian has to gat through the winner of match 12 a Meath Dublin battle between Kathleen Geraghy(Skryne) and Barbara Furlong(Lucan).The tenth match between Susan Corcoran(Newtown)and Kathleen Heary(Navan)is not to be overlooked and could produce an excellent spectacle.Another tough one to call will be the pairing of Rose Kelly(Ryston) with Linda Flanagan (Erry).The final bye of the tournament is the fourteenth match and Patricia McLoughlin goes on to play either Rose or Linda previously mentioned.
The one player that is not seeded in the tourmanent yet highly fancied to do well is Glenville’s Stella Sheridan .Playing on home turf Stella meets Monica McGrath of Prosperous but Monica will really need to shine to come through this tough opening round.
The final match in round one is an excellent pairing ,the experience and doggedness of Philo Condron (Lucan) pitted against the excellence of Chrissie Byrne.Philo proved in Stackallen last year that she is not to be underestimated and if Chrissie doesn’t produce her best anything could happen.

Overall the four seeds look good and we may see a shock or two in the bottom half but who falls depends on a variety of factors this week-end.The questions then that are posed:Will Ger Ward recover from injury in time,Is Margaret Hogan playing well enough,Can Tracey McGrath overcome her Matchplay voodoo,Will Marian Byrne get all guns firing,Can Chrissie Byrne produce her best,and finally who is going to cause the surprise of 2008 at Glenville.
The beauty of the Matchplay Championships is that there are so many unknowns so watch this space as we wait to see what enfolds.

FlawedGenius

utd for ever. wrote: »

tipperman i was in glenvile yesterday.it looked well.only played 6 holes.the weather was shocking.hope to get up today.

Alri Utd,is dat who i think it is??

Kingdom

Hi lads,

I was up there this afternoon, and while the reports I got from the last few days, the course is shaping up well. Greens are quite good, while they still look like they can be quicker, the ball runs true to its line. The bunkers were being filled in while I was there and the maintenance work on the various banks and bunkers looked to be finished. I haven't played Glenville in about 5 yrs I reckon, and the place really is one of the jewels in the PPUI's crown.

The new 14th teebox is a real addition to the course. It makes the hole and if the wind is blowing at the weekend it could be interesting.

really looking forward to this now.

Tipperman

Hey Lads

Glenville 2008....

Winners............ Anyone who quals for this event has a chance of winning it as that is the beauty of Matchplay.. I know from previous experiences that Matchplay always favours the Underdog so be prepared for a few surprises over the coming days....

Gary O'Sullivan will give Sean Harkins loads of it.. Remember Gary beat Sean Downes in Fermoy in 06 and was a sub on last years Cork Inter Co Team ( That an achievement in itself)..

Gerard McGuirk and Paul O'Gorman I feel will be a cracker.. Both experienced players at this stage and will give it a right rattle..

Paul O'Brien and Anthony Malone will be a ding dong battle.. Malone beaten Semi Finalist here in 98 and O'Brien beaten finalist last year.. Rem Malone beat O'Brien at Seapoint on the 36th in 05..

Sean Downes and Darren Thornberry.. I think there a could be an upset here as to beat Downes is to beat him before he gets into his stride.. Darren is a very good player and he will go very close..

Anthony Browne and Frank Dineen... I am going to go for Anthony here as he has just won the Westmeath Stroke and also I feel Frank's form could be a little stronger..

Darren Kane and Garreth O'Mahony... Interesting Match here.. Rem Garreth's whopping of Dunscombe in Stackallen last year but playing from Lucan Darren has to know Glenville well so could be an absorbing match here..

It doesn't matter who you play or how you play in the Matchplay.. It is all about keeping the concentration levels to your highest... It can get very tiring and that is where the mental strength comes in to pull you through the tough matches

I wish all the players the very best of luck and hope that everyone enjoys the whole weekend as there are some mouthwatering games in store.. It should be another great weekend for the great game

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

Hey Lads

Glenville 2008....

Winners............ Anyone who quals for this event has a chance of winning it as that is the beauty of Matchplay.. I know from previous experiences that Matchplay always favours the Underdog so be prepared for a few surprises over the coming days....

Gary O'Sullivan will give Sean Harkins loads of it.. Remember Gary beat Sean Downes in Fermoy in 06 and was a sub on last years Cork Inter Co Team ( That an achievement in itself)..

Gerard McGuirk and Paul O'Gorman I feel will be a cracker.. Both experienced players at this stage and will give it a right rattle..

Paul O'Brien and Anthony Malone will be a ding dong battle.. Malone beaten Semi Finalist here in 98 and O'Brien beaten finalist last year.. Rem Malone beat O'Brien at Seapoint on the 36th in 05..

Sean Downes and Darren Thornberry.. I think there a could be an upset here as to beat Downes is to beat him before he gets into his stride.. Darren is a very good player and he will go very close..

Anthony Browne and Frank Dineen... I am going to go for Anthony here as he has just won the Westmeath Stroke and also I feel Frank's form could be a little stronger..

Darren Kane and Garreth O'Mahony... Interesting Match here.. Rem Garreth's whopping of Dunscombe in Stackallen last year but playing from Lucan Darren has to know Glenville well so could be an absorbing match here..

It doesn't matter who you play or how you play in the Matchplay.. It is all about keeping the concentration levels to your highest... It can get very tiring and that is where the mental strength comes in to pull you through the tough matches

I wish all the players the very best of luck and hope that everyone enjoys the whole weekend as there are some mouthwatering games in store.. It should be another great weekend for the great game

Good stuff Tipperman. I reckon this will be a good National Matchplay, there are lots of tight matches, Glenville will be tough, more so if the wind blows.

adhoc

GerCPM wrote: »

He never really talked to us in CPM and told Darren when he was leaving that he achieved all i can achieve with this club or sumtin cheesy like dat.He likes the Lucan lads i think.He just uses CPM as practice, even tho Lucans only 10 mins up the road its abit awkward to get to(no buses on them backroads) and he lives round the corner from CPM.Its nothing to do with All Ireland champions r anything.He probley thought he was too good for us ha yea rite..In fairness the comp secretary should of had a quick look through the names to make sure the Defending Champ is in it.

this is a great site and think that it should be used to support the good in p.p not little green eyed monsters.have plenty of respect for fred not easy in lucan hard to win there.

brianon

Kingdom wrote: »

Graeme 82 pitch and putt is a good game to get involved in. As for giving the game up when you play golf properly I don't know about that, all I know is that anyone who was anyway good at P+P on a national level hasn't left the Union for golf and I'd be referring to the last 20 yrs plus. Anyone who says otherwise would be talking shyte imo.

Ok. Not read the full thread but just to say this...I used to play like 14 years ago. Was far more popular back then. Got into golf and never thought I'd ever play P&P again. But I quit golf about 5 years ago and not really missed it int he slightest.

Have had a few games of P&P since, the magic hasn't left me just yet and find myself more and more interested in going back to P&P competitively.

I don't think its a superior game to golf but I find it far more enjoyable and with a family and other interests its perfect in terms of time required to play a round.

Great fun and quite a skillful game. Are there many younger lads playing it these days though ?

I used to play for Athgarvan and I know in Kildare the P&P is not nearly as healthy as it used to be.

adhoc

cant wait for mp to stat say it will be great weekend dont think murphy will retain his title maybe downs? might do something had to know

Dromcill

adhoc wrote: »

cant wait for mp to stat say it will be great weekend dont think murphy will retain his title maybe downs? might do something had to know

Have to stay loyal to the Cork contingent. Either Murphy, Walsh or O'Donoghue will win. All in top form at the moment and have won either Munster, Cork or Scratch cups in the last two weeks.

adhoc

your propably right pal
just hope there some close mathes between the big guns and nobody runs away with it

clare rd.

1st.John O'Meara (Riverdale) 146 (-16). 2nd. Liam O'Donovan (Bruff) 146 (-16). after 54 holes, (O'Meara won after 3 hole playoff).

Inter: Frank Chandler (Clare rd) 105 (-3).

Junior: Niall Seery (Clare rd) 104 (-4).

Kingdom

adhoc wrote: »

this is a great site and think that it should be used to support the good in p.p not little green eyed monsters.have plenty of respect for fred not easy in lucan hard to win there.

Yes this forum is working well, I think that everything that has been said so far is quite fair, very little b*tching, there are a few of us posting regularily and if anything contentious was close to being said, it has been pulled up. There is a PM facility so just because you can't see a post here saying to someone to "cop on" it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
I find respect is a two way thing, I don't know the chap myself, but from what I can gather, a lot of people have an amount of respect for his achievements so far, but perhaps not so much repsect for his demeanour?

Lucan is a fine club and an example to most in the country, and as far as senior teams go, the Lucan seniors would give most intercounty teams a run for their money, so its understandable why Fred would go there. But they're no slouches in CPM either, they have a fine course too, not as aesthetically pleasing as Lucan, but a challenge nonetheless, and when someone comes through your club, then leaves the moment success comes about, but still plays continuously in the previous club, then its obvious there will be some bitterness. But it is still a healthy situation compared with some of the stories and shananigans that went on back in the late 80's and early 90's.
I'm saying no more on the Fred thing anyway, as its a non-issue for me.

Kingdom

brianon wrote: »

Ok. Not read the full thread but just to say this...I used to play like 14 years ago. Was far more popular back then. Got into golf and never thought I'd ever play P&P again. But I quit golf about 5 years ago and not really missed it int he slightest.

Have had a few games of P&P since, the magic hasn't left me just yet and find myself more and more interested in going back to P&P competitively.

I don't think its a superior game to golf but I find it far more enjoyable and with a family and other interests its perfect in terms of time required to play a round.

Great fun and quite a skillful game. Are there many younger lads playing it these days though ?

I used to play for Athgarvan and I know in Kildare the P&P is not nearly as healthy as it used to be.

We had a good talk about Pitch and putt yesterday and what could be done and whatnot, and we came to conclusion that perhaps because money is more readily available now than at any stage in the countries history, the people who would have been P+P in the 80's are into golf now, as its more accessible, cheaper, and has more status than P+P.
Having said that with people moving more and more into the country and commuting times increasing, Pitch and Putt should be in a position to capitalise on that, in places like Newbridge, Kilcullen, Tullamore, the commuter belt.
The positives of the sport need to be pushed to the fore.
Particularily with time as such an issue for a lot people, this is a major advantage over golf.
I've been told there is a major plan to be implemented with the schools, and this can only be positive.
If you look at the matchplay draw, I reckon half are under 35.
In Dublin the age profile in the senior section is definitely dropping, but whether it is dropping in the Union overall is another question altogether.

Kingdom

Dromcill wrote: »

Have to stay loyal to the Cork contingent. Either Murphy, Walsh or O'Donoghue will win. All in top form at the moment and have won either Munster, Cork or Scratch cups in the last two weeks.

Just purely on the basis of the odds up in Glenville, If you were looking for value for money Frank O#Donoghue @ 10/1 has to be it surely?

FlawedGenius

adhoc wrote: »

this is a great site and think that it should be used to support the good in p.p not little green eyed monsters.have plenty of respect for fred not easy in lucan hard to win there.

What exactly do u mean by that?

FlawedGenius

GerCPM wrote: »

What exactly do u mean by that?

Best of luck lads this weekend.

Kingdom

GerCPM wrote: »

Best of luck lads this weekend.

Will you be up watching this weekend Ger? The two Lucan lads, skinner and Kane are doing some amount of practice.

HITMANHEALY

Kingdom wrote: »

Will you be up watching this weekend Ger? The two Lucan lads, skinner and Kane are doing some amount of practice.

Alright Lads was just back from glenville, course is in great condition, good greens but very soft so the standard is going to be very high

Good luck to all

Hitman