AH Shocker: Morally Ambiguous Boardsies

Rb

Boston wrote: »

She put herself in that situation. Some people want to be used and degraded, doesn't make it ok, but shes far from the victim here.

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AARRRGH

Boston wrote: »

She put herself in that situation. Some people want to be used and degraded, doesn't make it ok, but shes far from the victim here.

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Who is the victim so?!

I cannot believe you people think this kind of behaviour is acceptable.

I feel very sad about this.

/leaves discussion

Boston

Why does there have to be a victim? and I just said in the post you quoted that its not ok as in not acceptable. Try reading a post before you go off in hysterics. Here I've made it bold in this post in case you miss the point, again.

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Susannahmia wrote: »

Mairt in all fairness, the flippant way that you described the incident gave the impression that you felt that your behaviour was acceptable and something to joke about.

it was a flippant bloody topic.

Had someone asked as a separate topic was that acceptable behaviour I'd have said no its not, then I'm most like have given an accurate account of what happened and have used it as an example of what I thought was acceptable when I was much younger and what I find acceptable now.

Know what, when I was younger I had threesome's, a foursome and much much more. I was in 'the party scene' and done some really nasty sh*t.

Would I do it all again, if I was 20 again and in the same scene, damn right I would.

Would I do it now, not a snowballs chance in hell.

Want to know something else, I was almost 40 before I discovered what it mean't to truely make love to a girl & to truely love.

I'm a good bloke, I've learned alot about myself from my past and I'm happy with myself now. And nothing anyone here can say will change that.

And I really do think I'm being bullied in this thread and I'd prefer any further discussion about me by certain people dropped.

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Boston wrote: »

Why does there have to be a victim? and I just said in the post you quoted that its not ok as in not acceptable. Try reading a post before you go off in hysterics. Here I've made it bold in this post in case you miss the point, again.

From a quick look at your previous posts, it doesn't sound like you think what he did is not acceptable.

Boston wrote: »

It seems odd to me that mairt is expected to respect someone in that situation.

Boston wrote: »

He didn't force that girl to do anything.

Boston wrote: »

She put herself in that situation.

Boston wrote: »

Someone doesn't respect themselves, no one else will.

Boston wrote: »

I call moral high horse on this one.

AARRRGH

OK I really want to leave this topic now! Please don't quote me anymore as it'll just drag me back in

Susannahmia

Boston wrote: »

Why does there have to be a victim? .

Because he called his friends over, without her consent to watch her in a vulnerable position, purely with the intent to make himself feel superior to her and "cool" to his mates! If this isn't victimisation I don't know what is.

Rb

Dublindude, let me ask you a question, and I mean this in no way to be offensive or a jab at you.

Was your mother a prostitute or another family member?Have you or are you going out with a prositute or someone who worked as one previously?Or perhaps someone who has a "history" or reputation for being a bit loose?Do you use prositutes or have you used them before?

I'm just curious as you've said this kind of stuff before, and there's something very Eo980/Ned78 about it in that they're both going out with Polish girls, and have a very different perception of the Poles than a lot of people and will defend them to the death. Sometimes it comes across a bit "My birds a Pole so I have to say this" but in reality, they've a lot more interaction with them and have a huge amount more experience with the Polish people in an informal manner.

Definitely not a jab at you though so don't take it as one.

Susannahmia

rb_ie wrote: »

Dublindude, let me ask you a question, and I mean this in no way to be offensive or a jab at you.

Yeah right:rolleyes:

Extraplus

dublindude wrote: »

She didn't sign up for a sex show. Forcing someone to go through with that (and let's be clear, she had no choice in the matter so it was forced) is physically degrading.

She didn't sign up for a sex show? But she performed a sexual act in a public bathroom i.e. a room that is open to the pubic. There was a most a couple of lengths of mdf betwwen her and the rest of the club. Anyone could have seen/heard and had a peek.

Dudess

Ah that's just splitting hairs. It was in an enclosed cubicle, not on a urinal.

Boston wrote: »

shes far from the victim here.

In one way, no. She knew what she was doing. She took part in a fairly seedy sex act with another person. It's just that society will judge her moreso than the other person. And then there's all the other stuff (camera, being called a "slapper" etc). In that sense, it could be argued she IS a victim.

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rb_ie wrote: »

Dublindude, let me ask you a question, and I mean this in no way to be offensive or a jab at you.

Was your mother a prostitute or another family member?Have you or are you going out with a prositute or someone who worked as one previously?Or perhaps someone who has a "history" or reputation for being a bit loose?Do you use prositutes or have you used them before?

I'm just curious as you've said this kind of stuff before, and there's something very Eo980/Ned78 about it in that they're both going out with Polish girls, and have a very different perception of the Poles than a lot of people and will defend them to the death. Sometimes it comes across a bit "My birds a Pole so I have to say this" but in reality, they've a lot more interaction with them and have a huge amount more experience with the Polish people in an informal manner.

Definitely not a jab at you though so don't take it as one.

Not offensive, don't worry.

After getting to know a lot of prostitutes (again, a previous job exposed me to them) I realised they are human too. Although they commit numerous sex acts per day, they still have the same feelings as you and me. Most of them are quite intelligent, most of them are decent people. The sex acts they commit does not make them "different" or worse than anyone else. If you didn't know they were prostitutes, you wouldn't think they are any different than you or me.

Lots of girls (and men, obviously) do stupid things. It doesn't mean they deserve bad things to happen to them. The dumb girl who went back to Mike Tysons hotel room; did she deserve to be raped? No. Is she a dumb ****? Absolutely.

The girl in the cubicle may have a care free attitude to sex, or maybe she's insecure, or maybe she's just stupid, but she's still a human and deserves to be treated with respect.

Some of the nicest, kindest people I know are "slutty". What they choose to do with a man is none of our business, and we shouldn't judge them on it.

Sinfonia

Whether or not a person thinks this girl should be respected or not, I think that both parties are equally responsible for the sexual act, i.e. they both made a decision, and to be fair, probably shouldn't be thought of any less for it, as it is their own consensual decision, and just because it may not coincide with someone else's morals does not make it wrong. They were both consenting adults (I assume).
As for what Mairt did next, I can only say that I don't like it, as it was not consensual.

dublindude wrote: »

You're basing respect on women not being allowed to do what they want though. I don't know how you can't see this. You are trying to control womens behaviour. If you do X, Y will happen.

I don't mean to sound dramatic, but the Taliban are just a more extreme version of this.



That's so ****ed. You have a terrible attitude towards women.



IMO all humans should be respected.

Please get off the stage with this one. Two sentences earlier you've basically admitted disrespect for the humans that are the Taliban

Boston

dublindude wrote: »

From a quick look at your previous posts, it doesn't sound like you think what he did is not acceptable.

So thats why you ignored a post by me where I clearly said is wasn't ok? Should I use sock puppets to explain my position to you?

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SumGuy wrote: »

Please get off the stage with this one. Two sentences earlier you've basically admitted disrespect for the humans that are the Taliban

As individuals I would respect them (for example, they should have basic human rights.) However they kill innocent people and should not be allowed do this. There's a difference...

Dudess

To be fair, there are those rough wans in their tracksuits and chunky gold jewellery who'll have it lobbed in any orifice down a side alley and they don't strike me as particularly vulnerable or insecure. They strike me as damn confident actually. But guys, while disgusted by them, will still have sex with them - which to me, demonstrates a lack of self respect and dignity on the guy's part; the fact that he's so unfussy he's willing to stick it into a girl who's that nasty.

And he no doubt knows it, so he tries to compensate for it by laughing at her behind her back to his mates and calling her a slapper...

AARRRGH

Boston wrote: »

So thats why you ignored a post by me where I clearly said is wasn't ok? Should I use sock puppets to explain my position to you?

Well for someone who thinks what Mairt did was wrong, you're certainly spending a lot of time defending him...

Boston

I think you'll find I'm spending a lot of time saying she's no better and made her own decision. I mean I think I've said three times at this stage their both slappers.

Also, it was a public toilets, she could have been over seen by anyone and didn't care, so less of the "Mairt stole her honour" bull, she had none to begin with.

Dudess

Bollocks. As I said already, it was an enclosed cubicle, not a jimmy cake. Very few people bother straining their neck to look into the next cubicle if they hear sex sounds coming from there - anyone who does is a saddo.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well I don't know about the Uk but it looks like sharia law might find a warm welcome here in Ireland.

Boston

Public place. Can't be too bothered about been seen. Christ, who doesn't notice an audience to begin with, or maybe she did and didn't care.

Mc MordÜff with fries : Absolutely, gays and drug users onto the fires first.

Earthhorse

Jesus. Can people please make with the stories of getting caught giving head to Mairt or just move this topic to Humanities?

AARRRGH

Boston wrote: »

I think you'll find I'm spending a lot of time saying she's no better and made her own decision. I mean I think I've said three times at this stage their both slappers.

I don't have any problem with the sex act. She absolutely 100% chose to do it.

Boston wrote: »

Also, it was a public toilets, she could have been over seen by anyone and didn't care, so less of the "Mairt stole her honour" bull, she had none to begin with.

!!!!

I don't know which pubs you go to, but the ones I've been in have reasonably private cubicles in the toilets.

Saying she had no honour to begin with is such a terrible attitude to have. I don't think you really understand what you're saying. You're saying women who are promiscious should expect to be disrespected. That's bad.

/I really need to go now

Dudess

Mc MordÜff with fries wrote: »

well I don't know about the Uk but it looks like sharia law might find a warm welcome here in Ireland.

But under Sharia Law, men, in theory, wouldn't be able to shag those degenerate women. And yet they still seem to want to.

Boston

dublindude wrote: »

Saying she had no honour to begin with is such a terrible attitude to have. I don't think you really understand what you're saying. You're saying women who are promiscious should expect to be disrespected. That's bad.

I will say they should expect it, since that is life. Nowever, and I'm going to lengths to point this out as you're a bit special, that is not to say they deserve to be disrespected.

Sonnenblumen

Dudess wrote: »

There's absolutely no guarantee that pampered, over-privileged kids use protection. And even if they do, it doesn't make it any less fukked up that they're riding at 13 and 14. At least a lot of the kids in Ballymun have the excuse of growing up in difficult circumstances.

Can I nominate this post for the Podge & Rodge Dumb Science Award?

Dudess - you never fail to..........

Dudess

Elaboration?

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Boston wrote: »

I will say they should expect it, since that is life. Nowever, and I'm going to lengths to point this out as you're a bit special, that is not to say they deserve to be disrespected.

Instead of insulting me, why don't you just make up your mind?

Boston wrote: »

It seems odd to me that mairt is expected to respect someone in that situation.

:rolleyes:

Why don't you just admit she deserved it. It's obvious that's what you really think. She's a slut and she deserved it.

Susannahmia

Boston wrote: »

I will say they should expect it, since that is life. Nowever, and I'm going to lengths to point this out as you're a bit special, that is not to say they deserve to be disrespected.

So we should just accept things the way they are and not try to change them because "that's just life"? It's wrong but ultimately something one should just accept? You are contradicting yourself at every chance.

Boston

I left my sock puppets at home, I need them if I have to go into more detail about Real world values Vs right and wrong.

The girl didn't deserve was mairt did, but I fail to see why she should have earned respect for it.