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  • ***pmb I've merged this with the Knives megathread. A search of this thread may find what you're looking for, but if not I'm sure some of the subscribers to the thread will point you in the right direction :)




  • Few quick questions.

    Whats the quality of the cheaper WÜSTHOF lines, Silverpoint line seems surprisingly cheap.

    Is Opinel good quality, I have used the clasp knifes in the past and they seemed good, are the kitchen range good quality?

    Eden Essentials seem cheaper than others, any use?




  • pmb wrote: »
    Hi all,

    I purchased two nice knives in Japan last year which I would like to have sharpened (one of which also has a slight chip in it). Anybody know where I could have this done?

    Preferably in Dublin

    Some butchers may sharpen them for you, but you'd want to trust they know what they are doing with Japanese steel.

    I get my knives from McDonnells and at least a few years back they said they sharpen them as well. Behind the Four Courts.




  • MaceFace wrote: »
    Some butchers may sharpen them for you, but you'd want to trust they know what they are doing with Japanese steel.

    I get my knives from McDonnells and at least a few years back they said they sharpen them as well. Behind the Four Courts.

    McDonnells have move from that location to somewhere in Ballycoolin Dublin 15.




  • Guys I bought a Fixed Edge Knife Sharpener from Aliexpress and its really cool. Can't find the exact one but it has sucktion cups at the bottom to stick it to the counter. 100x better than the Any Sharp or the ones with the handle - and far easier than a proper whetstone.


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  • Recently bought this system and went through my knives......really grinds a new extremely sharp edge.....on any knife really.
    It's a graded system in that you start off with a coarse sharpening block down to medium and fine. Diamond or whetstone blocks. No regrets. You can tell/feel the sharpness that was never there in my Sabatier probably 20 year old knives. New lease of life.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAOC-0Le8EE&t=1415s




  • I like little and often when it comes to sharpening. I've a 3000 grit Japanese waterstone sitting in water on in the kitchen, I give my knives three runs either side after every use. I won't have a perfect V edge as my angle isn't going to be perfect every time but it'll be close enough and given the little and often approach it doesn't matter if I'm not always perfect. I probably have a dodgy convex grind but they are always screaming sharp. I like 3000 grit as it gives a micro serration which helps my less than perfect grind.

    This is the nature of war. By protecting others, you save yourself. If you only think of yourself, you'll only destroy yourself.





  • Can I respectfully ask, what's the whole thing behind getting a butcher to sharpen knives?

    This is the nature of war. By protecting others, you save yourself. If you only think of yourself, you'll only destroy yourself.





  • Feisar wrote:
    Can I respectfully ask, what's the whole thing behind getting a butcher to sharpen knives?

    I wouldn't, most butcher knives are softer steel that is made to be tough, but deform if hitting bone.
    They will steel often to straighten up the edge, but most butchers are not dedicated knife sharpeners.

    If you have expensive Japanese knives, Patrick Brennan knife maker can sharpen them, Jay in Kilkenny Knives and Tool can do it, I can do a job on it, or any custom knife makers would know how (Jamie at Triscele Forge for example).

    Other option is (as Feisar does) getting a 1,000 grit water stone and a 6,000 grit stone (combo stones are available).
    Have a go yourself on a cheap beater to get a feel for it, angles don't have to be exact.
    A nice convex edge is ideal for kitchen use.

    Permanent soaker stones can be kept in the toilet cistern, I am told :)




  • Hi

    Am looking at getting a set of knives just for myself in the kitchen. I enjoy cooking at the weekend etc and am always complaining at the quality of knives I have in the cutlery drawer.

    So.. looking at something that I can wash and store away just for me ... no lending out!!!

    Am talking about preparing chicken, vegetables (including butternut squash ) etc.

    Any ideas of what to get or where?? Will Amazon sent knives in the post????

    Looking at spending €100-€150 on a good 3-4 piece set.

    Many thanks


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  • Masala wrote: »
    Hi

    Am looking at getting a set of knives just for myself in the kitchen. I enjoy cooking at the weekend etc and am always complaining at the quality of knives I have in the cutlery drawer.

    So.. looking at something that I can wash and store away just for me ... no lending out!!!

    Am talking about preparing chicken, vegetables (including butternut squash ) etc.

    Any ideas of what to get or where?? Will Amazon sent knives in the post????

    Looking at spending €100-€150 on a good 3-4 piece set.

    Many thanks

    Victorinox fibrox should be doable at that price nisbets.ie do next day and were cheaper than Amazon for me.




  • *
    Masala, I've merged this with the huge knives thread. There's a lot of good advice in here already, and also the posters who follow the thread are more likely to see it here.




  • Repeated from previous posts, but solid starter kits don't have to be costly.

    I always recommend a good bread knife / carver, a Chef's knife, and a couple good paring knives.
    There are others that are useful, but that's the core set.

    Fish filleting knives, cleavers, spreaders...all optional (unless you do have a need for a specific tool, or just want a huge lamb Splitter because...)

    I like McDonnells.ie or Nisbets.ie for my working knives.

    1) Bread knife carver - I like the F. Dick Utility
    https://www.mcdonnells.ie/products/p...tility-knife-1

    2) Chef's 8"

    https://www.mcdonnells.ie/products/p...ic-chefs-knife



    Chef's 10"

    https://www.mcdonnells.ie/products/p...-chefs-knife-1

    3) Paring knife - straight

    https://www.mcdonnells.ie/products/p...-kitchen-knife

    Paring Knife - Tourne (very useful)

    https://www.mcdonnells.ie/products/p...eeling-knife-2

    If you don't want to put the extra effort sometimes required into the care and maintenance of a Japanese knife, I would be inclined to go French or German.

    Generally built a bit heavier, softer steel, stainless, if going in a dishwasher get the moulded plastic handles!

    The likes of F.Dick, Victorinox, Forschner, Old Hickory (carbon steel so will rust), Sabatier....

    Also, the likes of Henckels and Wusthoff are making Japanesey knives, similar designs but in stainless steels, so a bit higher grade option, without going all in on a Cowry-X steel handcrafted job from a master maker.

    A Kramer by Zwilling is still €240 - €400 quid, but a very nice Chef's knife can be had for under €100.
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    If you were to go to Victorinox level €50 quid would set them up with possibly a couple of knives (Bread and Chef's).

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    €27.40

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    €24.00

    Kai for around €70.00, Kai own Shun, Zero Tolerance, Kershaw...

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    Zwilling for around €50

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    Have a look on https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/ and https://www.nisbets.ie/kitchenware-a...knives/_/a33-2

    Finally do not get one of those coarse ribbed steels, any polished steel rod like a hydraulic shaft or a long screwdriver will do in a pinch, and doesn't cause excessive wear.
    The unglazed portion of ceramic on the arse of a coffee mug will touch up an edge, stones will eventually be needed to sharpen (or wet and dry sandpaper on a flat surface will do the job).




  • Hi,

    I am looking to buy some knives for a family member as a gift. I am thinking Zwilling because I have some Zwilling knives and think they are great (although I am open to suggestion).

    Can anybody recommend a good place to buy knives, Irish if possible? Obviously shops are closed now so I can't just go out an browse.

    I found this 2 piece set but the Arnotts site is a bit annoying in that it doesn't have a good spec for some of the products (e.g. the size of these knives) and there aren't reviews.




  • The best place I've come across, and by accident while in Kilkenny for a few days, is a shop called Allens. They have an amazing selection of knives. They have some Zwilling, and a huge selection of Victorinox (the Swiss Army knife makers). You can't beat Victorinox small utility knives, I have a few and they're fantastic.


    https://www.allens.ie/product-category/cooking-dining/knives-and-sharpeners/




  • Deise Musashi seems to have it covered there in fairness.

    This is the nature of war. By protecting others, you save yourself. If you only think of yourself, you'll only destroy yourself.





  • Feisar wrote: »
    Deise Musashi seems to have it covered there in fairness.

    It's a fair comment but many of the links in that post are dead and I don't recognise any of the brands that McDonnells.ie have for sale. Nisbets.ie are out of stock on a lot of things too. I've read back a good few pages here and there are a lot of UK based sites which I don't want to buy from at the moment due to extra charges and delivery issues.

    Arnotts is looking like a good option for me at the moment, I am struggling to find another Irish site with brands I know about.

    EDIT - will spend some time researching the brands on the McDonnells site but if it's not Zwilling or Wusthof then I've never heard of it.




  • Hard to beat a Victorinox Fibrox although they aren't really present material though I'd be delighted with one.

    Global are a nice looking brand, I've two of them. Nice and thin so even if not shaving sharp it gets the job done. Nisbits have them. I'm using the Oriental Chefs Knife a lot. Keep in mind I'm only a home cook.

    https://www.nisbets.ie/global-g-4-oriental-chefs-knife-180mm/c274

    This is the nature of war. By protecting others, you save yourself. If you only think of yourself, you'll only destroy yourself.





  • Wusthof would be my choice. Available here at competitive prices. https://www.sweeneyorourke.com/ebstore/so/




  • BaZmO* wrote: »
    Wusthof would be my choice. Available here at competitive prices. https://www.sweeneyorourke.com/ebstore/so/

    Thank you! I worked beside this place for 10 years I'd say and would never have given it a second thought.


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  • I've bought a few bits from https://www.knivesandtools.ie/ and the shipping has been fast even over Christmas.
    I got a handy size De Buyer mineral B wok, to go with my frying pan, love the steel pans.

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    I'm avoiding the UK sites now (which is a pity but the VAT and postage are ruining it).

    https://www.knivesandtools.ie/en/ct/kitchen-knives.htm

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  • https://www.nisbets.ie/victorinox-serrated-bread-knife-black-215mm/c666

    Looking for a quality bread knife. Any thoughts on this guy?




  • budgemook wrote: »
    https://www.nisbets.ie/victorinox-serrated-bread-knife-black-215mm/c666

    Looking for a quality bread knife. Any thoughts on this guy?

    Hard to go wrong with victorianox for quality and value. Good knives




  • Hard to go wrong with victorianox for quality and value. Good knives

    Thanks. What’s the story with keeping a knife like that sharp? I’ve an old bread knife out there that I doubt could be sharpened on a stone or steel, it’s just pointy teeth.




  • Sharpening serrations, if they are round, can be done with a steel rod impregnated with diamond dust.
    The Spyderco triangle sharpmaker rods will also work.

    I have the CRKT Veff sharpener for this job, but Lidl and Aldi often do similar little rod sharpeners.

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    Often a run on a belt sander at the back of the serrations will bring an edge back.

    I have seen specialised files that were used for cutting and refreshing serrated blades back in the day, but never seen one for sale (didn't do much looking either).

    https://www.wikihow.com/Sharpen-Serrated-Knives

    https://www.crkt.com/knife-sharpening/




  • I am struggling to decide between the bread knife I linked above and this "larding knife". I'm not sure what the difference is really, except it's a tenner more and longer. I wouldn't mind the longer blade but is it suitable for bread? Can't really find much info online.

    https://www.nisbets.ie/victorinox-fibrox-larding-knife-serrated-blade-305mm/c683




  • budgemook wrote: »
    I am struggling to decide between the bread knife I linked above and this "larding knife". I'm not sure what the difference is really, except it's a tenner more and longer. I wouldn't mind the longer blade but is it suitable for bread? Can't really find much info online.

    https://www.nisbets.ie/victorinox-fibrox-larding-knife-serrated-blade-305mm/c683

    EDIT: actually no, this one is way too long for me.




  • So im looking to get a set of serious chef knives for myself as it's one thing im very passionate about is cooking (without having to do it as a profession) and id love a real set of chef knives for myself.



    Someone had recommended to look on the nesbit site which i did but then it occured to me im not sure what would be the best brand to get and what thickness should i be looking for.



    Anyone with any knowledge with these queries i have would be great.


    Thanks




  • I would suggest trying a few different knives in the hand and seeing what you prefer.

    Wusthof Classic have a longstanding reputation as high quality knives, built to last. They can feel a little heavy compared to both traditional Japanese style knives and more minimalist modern knives. Aesthetically they're also pretty old school looking, they haven't changed over the decades.

    Global are worth trying as an alternative, and they're also quite widely available. Full stainless steel and the ergonomics can take a little bit of getting used to if you're used to something traditional. But they are lightweight and very hygienic, a lot of people like them.

    If you have the patience then there are Irish knife makers like Rory Conner and Fingal Ferguson who offer knives for sale (Including sets), but the waiting list is long. I recently acquired a chef's knife from Ferguson and I think I was waiting a year. More a case of signing up and then forgetting about it.


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  • We went to the Zwilling shop in Kildare Village and bought a load of knives there. Very happy with them.


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