Connecting iPod touch to college network...

irishguy00

Got me one of them fancy ipod touches... but wanna know how to connect it to the college network. Anyone have any idea? I'll probably have to drop into ISS services.

Time Magazine

They almost certainly won't let you. I've never heard of them letting things like that connect.

JC 2K3

My friend was able to connect with his DS...

Time Magazine

That's good to hear; a step in the right direction.

glenroe2006

Just got one myself, I'm in DCU and I went to Computer Services and they set it up. The guy had never even used one before but after fiddling around for five minutes it was up and running. I don't see why they wouldn't allow it, the web browser works exactly like that of a laptop etc.

Crash

DCU is a MUCH more open network than trinity.

Trinity is highly closed, based around mac address authentication and certain wireless protocols. can be iffy. For instance my nokia 770 wouldnt have been able to connect on the old wireless due to WEP/PEAP issues - and ISS are rarely happy to let non specific items (things that arent laptops or desktop machines) onto the network.

A lot of the time getting it on requires a lot of fiddling and messing about. it is doable, in some cases, but a lot of messing about.

Stoned Hippy

To back up what Crash said it is possible and they do do it for certain people.

I asked them about connecting my Windows Mobile 5 phone to the network as it has all the necessary security protcols on it (I think!) but they said they wouldn't do it. He said the problem was something to do with registering it with the wired network first before the wireless or something.

Apparently if you're someone special they'll do it for you but not an ordinary student like me!

Thirdfox

Why is TCD so closed? For higher security reasons? Why - do we get attacked more than UCDD or DCU? (I remember wandering around UCDD once with my laptop and could connect to their free wi-fi network without any problems.) DIT has free wifi too..

What makes Trinity special?

Agent Smith

Location?
I remember ISS didnt want to let my Laptop on the network before Cause it had a USB Wireless Adapter many moons ago

thecheese

JC 2K3 wrote: »

My friend was able to connect with his DS...

Did they go through IS Services route?

Crash

I'd be very interested as to how he managed that as TCDWifi is WPA now, and the DS doesn't support WPA.

pkeno

Go to ISS and see what they say. Last year I went in with my N80 and they spent a good bit of time with me trying to connect. It didn't work in the end but they gave it a real bash, and i'm just an ordinary joe soap!

JC 2K3

çrash_000 wrote: »

I'd be very interested as to how he managed that as TCDWifi is WPA now, and the DS doesn't support WPA.

Yeah, turns out it wasn't the TCD network he connected to, but some other Network accessible from the college(Think it was BT internet, which you're supposed to have to pay to use, but it seems the DS bypassed this somehow..)

SOL

I believe you used to be able to get on with a palm thingy by getting your laptop mac address registered and then using it from your handheld item, this obviously both took a bit of doing and was not endorsed by college, also I think they have changed how the whole thing works now so... not sure if that is any help

cianclarke

Right, seems the i phone and the i touch don't support peap - which TCDwifi needs, so that seems to rule it out. Damn, I was going to buy one if it'd work. Might still!

mathew

you can connect what you like to the network once it supports WPA Enterprise, peap etc..
ISS wont support it tho.. as in they wont help you or provid advice etc... basicly you have to do it yourself!!

Motorbreath

Sounds like an interesting challenge

cianclarke

All iPhone / iTouch users, if you want to see your device on the college network any time soon send them a feature request:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

It seems to be a software issue, the hardware supports it. Just tell them you wish your i phone / i touch supported peap so you could get onto your uni's network.

Black_Couch

Has anybody connected to the TCD network yet with an ipod touch?

I'm getting the following wireless networks (none are password protected):

BTOpenzone
homenetwork
hpsetup
tcdopencampus

I've tried connecting to them all but when I open up safari and refresh the page, it says can't open the page because it can't find the server.

Anybody got any ideas?

cianclarke

Read the thread.. Like I said, the iPhone and iTouch can't connect to TCDWifi because they don't yet support PEAP authentication. It's reckoned that apple will eventually release a firmware update which supports PEAP auth, but they haven't done so yet.
Another theory is when the SDK is released for the iPhone/iTouch a third party devloper might be able to do something.
Until then, you're out of luck.
BTOpenzone costs money.
homenetwork is probably some ejit who tried to setup their wireless on a laptop but instead made an adhoc, the same with tcdopencampus.
hpsetup is possibly a wireless printer.

darth darragh

hey i have an iphone adn im a student in Letterkenny and i cant seem to get it working on the college network, i need a 801.4x or somthing like that, as that is what i used for my macbook, could anyone help me, im desperate to get it working, thanks alot

Varik

does any one know if psp works in tcd

xebec

Varik wrote: »

does any one know if psp works in tcd

Officially, no. Unofficially, I'd doubt it, ISS won't support it.

cianclarke

Varik wrote: »

does any one know if psp works in tcd

Nope, no PEAP support again.

And guy from letterkenny, no idea what 801.4x is... Need to know what security the network has.

Jonathan

Right just got a Nokia E51. It has wifi and it has all the required PEAPv0 protocol (Are there other required ones?).

Should I be able to connect in theory to TCDwifi? I know there will be MAC issues and such but should I at least be able to reach the self-service NAC screen?

And also, are you permitted to have two MAC addresses authorised to the same user name?

Ron DMC

To set up any device on TCDwifi you will need to use an ethernet cable first to set up the wired connection. Only once you've set up that much can you actually get the wireless working. So you'd need some kind of ethernet post on your device.

I heard stories ages ago of people getting around this by signing up as a "linux user" (who according to ISS are the only ones with enough technical expertise to set up their own wireless) and sending them the MAC address of their "other" device instead in order to have it added to the list of "valid users". I think it then involved "faking" the MAC address on a laptop to get it on the system "as the other device".
Dunno know if this service is still available with the new SNAC (sp?) system, but even if it is, whatever device will still need PEAP (that means no iPhones, iTouches, PSPs etc).

Jonathan

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

To set up any device on TCDwifi you will need to use an ethernet cable first to set up the wired connection. Only once you've set up that much can you actually get the wireless working. So you'd need some kind of ethernet post on your device.

Are you sure about this?

I'm nearly sure I connected my laptop to the wireless first.

Anyways ethernet cards and wireless cards on the same computer are going to have different MAC addresses so how are ISS gonna know which belongs to which?

Ron DMC

jmccrohan wrote: »

Are you sure about this?

I'm nearly sure I connected my laptop to the wireless first.

So I was led to believe. Been a while since I set up anything on the network so could be way off at this stage.

Anyways ethernet cards and wireless cards on the same computer are going to have different MAC addresses so how are ISS gonna know which belongs to which?

Good point. Unless it registers the wireless one through the wired connection or something.

Trinity has always had a very finnicky network tbh. I can never get it working right all the time.

xebec

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

Good point. Unless it registers the wireless one through the wired connection or something.

Iirc you register both at some point, can't remember when in the process the wireless one is registered, but I definitely remember them both being asked for.

Pet

Does anyone know if the software update version 2.0 [which supports WPA2 Enterprise with 802.1x authentication] will allow the iPod touch to be used in TCD?

Jonathan

jmccrohan wrote: »

Right just got a Nokia E51. It has wifi and it has all the required PEAPv0 protocol (Are there other required ones?).

Should I be able to connect in theory to TCDwifi? I know there will be MAC issues and such but should I at least be able to reach the self-service NAC screen?

And also, are you permitted to have two MAC addresses authorised to the same user name?

Forgot about this thread actually.

Just an update to say that I can technically get my phone on the college network. Just cant get past the NAC. Means the phone has all the requirements.. Just that I cannot register the mac address of the phone with the server..

I suppose i could change the mac address of my laptop to that of my phone, rereg with NAC, download all the required ****e, pass the tests and then have deh internetz on my phone.. lot of effort now that i have free 3g from meteor tho :pac:

Jonathan

Pet wrote: »

Does anyone know if the software update version 2.0 [which supports WPA2 Enterprise with 802.1x authentication] will allow the iPod touch to be used in TCD?

Yes and no.
Connect to the network: Yes
Connect to the internet: No

cianclarke

jmccrohan wrote: »

Forgot about this thread actually.

Just an update to say that I can technically get my phone on the college network. Just cant get past the NAC. Means the phone has all the requirements.. Just that I cannot register the mac address of the phone with the server..

I suppose i could change the mac address of my laptop to that of my phone, rereg with NAC, download all the required ****e, pass the tests and then have deh internetz on my phone.. lot of effort now that i have free 3g from meteor tho :pac:

Yeah, that was my plan - haven't been arsed to try yet tho!

So far with some brief fecking about in LG12 (poor signal) I couldn't get my iPhone 3G to connect to network TCDwifi using WPA Enterprise (1), but I'm sure I'll try a bit harder back in term time!

Also - I seem to remember reading the 2.0 update provided LEAP support, but not sure if PEAP was added? With some wireless clients the two seem interchangable, not sure if that will make a difference.

cianclarke

Got it working, was quite easy in the end.

Borneo Fnctn

cianclarke wrote: »

Got it working, was quite easy in the end.

could you give me the step by step guide to getting a iphone 3g on the network? (An idiot's guide)

rc28

jackpalance wrote: »

could you give me the step by step guide to getting a iphone 3g on the network? (An idiot's guide)

+1 except for a 1st gen iPhone please.

Jonathan

jackpalance wrote: »

could you give me the step by step guide to getting a iphone 3g on the network? (An idiot's guide)

In not so many words..

jmccrohan wrote: »

I suppose i could change the mac address of my laptop to that of my phone, rereg with NAC, download all the required ****e, pass the tests and then have deh internetz on my phone.. lot of effort now that i have free 3g from meteor tho :pac:

Borneo Fnctn

jmccrohan wrote: »

In not so many words..

Thanks but its all greek to me.:eek:

Crash

Put it this way, if you don't understand it, odds on you won't be able to do it. Don't mean that in a mean way, its just a wee bit complicated.

rc28

For iPhone owners- to find the mac address go to Settings--->General--->About and it's there beside 'wifi address'.

ShoulderChip

How hard is it to change my laptop's mac address so?

Jonathan

ShoulderChip wrote: »

How hard is it to change my laptop's mac address so?

What did google say about it?

ShoulderChip

jmccrohan wrote: »

What did google say about it?

There are programs that can be used to spoof an address but to physically change it is hard. The address is coded into the newwork device on the computer. If you changed it to another one, there is a chance of conflict with a valid address on some other device. Should you get a major hub device, you will be getting a service disconnect as soon as they trace it. Depending on what you are doing when detected, you may get visited by people driving plain looking cars, wearing nice suits with bulges under the coats.

Jonathan

ShoulderChip wrote: »

There are programs that can be used to spoof an address but to physically change it is hard. The address is coded into the newwork device on the computer. If you changed it to another one, there is a chance of conflict with a valid address on some other device. Should you get a major hub device, you will be getting a service disconnect as soon as they trace it. Depending on what you are doing when detected, you may get visited by people driving plain looking cars, wearing nice suits with bulges under the coats.

First result in google...

snappieT

Of course things will go very very wrong if the same MAC address appears twice on the network. Packets will stop being delivered etc, and ISS will probably know all about it.
My solution: as a CS student, I can connect to the network COMPSCIwireless2 with my CS credentials, WPA Enterprise, and everything works well.
Save for the fact that the signal is muck.

ShoulderChip

jmccrohan wrote: »

First result in google...

Cheers for that, I don't get your need to be patronising, I am sure you sometimes need answers on stuff you are not too competent on also.

So, I just have to change my laptop address to the mac address of my laptop,
go to college, register my laptop for the college network, and then my ipod will work in college, is that right?

Jonathan

snappieT wrote: »

Of course things will go very very wrong if the same MAC address appears twice on the network. Packets will stop being delivered etc, and ISS will probably know all about it.

It shouldn't appear twice. You are only spoofing to register with the nac. Changing the laptop back to its original once you are registered.

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Cheers for that, I don't get your need to be patronising, I am sure you sometimes need answers on stuff you are not too competent on also.

Apologies, didn't mean to be patronising.

ShoulderChip wrote: »

So, I just have to change my laptop address to the mac address of my laptop [i assume you mean ipod?],
go to college, register my laptop for the college network, and then my ipod will work in college, is that right?

Essentially yes. Important part is to change your laptop's mac back to its original state after.

May i just point out that I have not done this yet, I am just giving advice based on theory. (altho i might give it a lash tomorrow cause ive a lot of time off before the beers )

snappieT

jmccrohan wrote: »

It shouldn't appear twice. You are only spoofing to register with the nac. Changing the laptop back to its original once you are registered.

But you can only register one MAC address per user account against the NAC. So if you want to use your laptop also, you either need to:
(a) Disable your iPhone WiFi before you open your laptop (laptop sharing the MAC of the iPhone)
(b) Somehow find a way to have ISS let you register your laptop's native address also.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I sure hope I am.

Ron DMC

snappieT wrote: »

But you can only register one MAC address per user account against the NAC.

Really? Even if you actually have two laptops that you want to use on the network?

Jonathan

snappieT wrote: »

But you can only register one MAC address per user account against the NAC.

They allow you have more than one laptop.

Ron DMC

jmccrohan wrote: »

They allow you have more than one laptop.

Thought so, I'm pretty sure they don't even tie the MAC address to your login, they just add it to a list.

Bought a second-hand iBook that had previously been on the network and I'm pretty sure I didn't have to go through any of the submitting your MAC address steps to get WiFi working on it.