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    #32
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    A question for all the people rhyming off the fact that many protestors are not from the immeadiate area; so the f*ck what?
    You don't have to be directly affected to have an opinion, an interest or a motive for protest....fact is that when Shell get away with this, it'll be some other company in some other part of the island doing something similar....the actions by Shell and our own past governments have set the precedent here...if you don't protest this one you have even less chance of any other protests at a later date being in any way successful.


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    #33
    Jeapy
    Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Jeapy


    Shell have been throwin plenty of money round down there...

    http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=mhidkfidey

    150k to a GAA club! I think fair play to the residents for not giving up on what they believe in, but I cant see their protest going anywhere tbh.


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    #34
    AngryBadger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭AngryBadger


    Muggy Dev wrote: »
    if the rest of us devoted half the energy of those guys

    Why don't we jsut get those guys to devote all their energy to something productive? Like developing other renewable energy technologies?


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    #35
    Pythia
    Registered Users Posts: 7,469 ✭✭✭Pythia


    Wertz wrote: »
    A question for all the people rhyming off the fact that many protestors are not from the immeadiate area; so the f*ck what?
    You don't have to be directly affected to have an opinion, an interest or a motive for protest....fact is that when Shell get away with this, it'll be some other company in some other part of the island doing something similar....the actions by Shell and our own past governments have set the precedent here...if you don't protest this one you have even less chance of any other protests at a later date being in any way successful.

    The point is, many of these people just like a good protest. They like causing trouble. They aren't that interested in the actual issue.


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    #36
    galwayrush
    Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Shell to Sea idiots will probably make billions extra profit for Shell, all the delays while the price of a barrell of Oil / Gas shoots through the roof. :D


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    #37
    Snarler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭Snarler


    Regardless of their cause they are protesting illegally and should be given every bit of rough treatment they ask for.


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    #38
    gyppo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭gyppo


    kbannon wrote: »
    I don't agree with our government effectively giving away these resources.
    I am also against the method design/route of this project and the fact that the high pressure pipe is in reasonable proximity to peoples homes.

    Nail on head. The stuff has been there for millions of years, but the government effectively makes a gift of it to Shell because there is no present facility to harvest it. Are Bertie & Co afraid this stuff is going to go off??
    Imo, this smacks off the cap-tipping this country is renowned worldwide for.

    Its also amazing the sheer number of garda that can be rounded up to patrol this area, whilst parts of cities such as Limerick which have been ignored for years are left to fester in practical anarchy.


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    #39
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Pythia wrote: »
    The point is, many of these people just like a good protest. They like causing trouble. They aren't that interested in the actual issue.

    So you're just going to lump in people protesting from outside the immeadiate region with SF and rentamob?
    That's unfair. I know there are people there who's sole motivation is having their right to protest trampled on and maybe get a dig at a cop, but my point about legitimate protestors from outside the region stands; this is not a simple local issue...it's just that the primary safety fears of locals is the biggest, most immeadiate issue, not necessarily the most important one from a national perspective..


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    #40
    2 stroke
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    humanji wrote: »
    Considering that last years profits were $25.44 billion, I don't think they'll miss your €3000. Plus, they'll be make up for it per week when the line is finished.

    Maybe they won't feel my €3000, but at least I didn't support the wrong side with my €3000. If everybody in this country switched suppliers shell would see that the protest had public suport, they're used to protesters hanging out of trees.


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    #41
    slinky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭slinky


    eroo wrote: »
    The Gardai are there to uphold law and order,

    Why aren't the gardai in my town to uphold "law and order"? We've had a murder, stabbings, a number of armed robberies not to mention the weekly drudge of "low-level" crime (this is a rural town). There aren't enough gardai on the beat where real crime is taking place but then it's always easier uphold "law and order" by bashing a few protestors...perhaps we better get digging and pray for oil!

    The problem isn't with bringing gas ashore it's how it's brought ashore: the Rossport 5 want it refined at sea.

    My major problem with this project is this: RAY BURKE agreed a deal with Shell that gave the Irish people no royalties, not a RED CENT. This is our natural resource not Shell's, they made a 26billion profit - I think they'd survive paying a decent tax. They must be having a laugh in their boardroom - pay no royalties, maximize profits and hand over 150 grand to the local gaa club:mad:


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    #42
    thefinalstage
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    Steyr wrote: »
    Saw them on the news again tonight....Will those twats ever give up? We are a Nation highly dependent on Oil/Gas etc, get over it.

    The gas it for selling not for our consumption.


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    #43
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,331 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    slinky wrote: »
    Why aren't the gardai in my town to uphold "law and order"? We've had a murder, stabbings, a number of armed robberies not to mention the weekly drudge of "low-level" crime (this is a rural town). There aren't enough gardai on the beat where real crime is taking place but then it's always easier uphold "law and order" by bashing a few protestors...perhaps we better get digging and pray for oil!

    I've no doubt that the Gardai would be there if the criminals announced that they were going to gather together to commit the crimes.

    I don't know why people are protesting about a high pressure pipeline but not about cars which kill hundreds every year.


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    #44
    darkman2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭darkman2


    Their campaign ('shell to sea') is not all it seems. There is something more sinister about those that have hijacked it. Against commercial enterprise etc etc............communism, socialism and facism all apply to those who support the village idiots.


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    #45
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,168 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    kbannon wrote: »
    Please read up on their campaign before you comment...
    http://www.google.ie/search?q=shell+to+sea&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

    Yeah I agree with their agenda, I'm all for the gas line being putting down but I don't know why they have to organise shows of support every so often, I'm comfortable showing my support by buying obscene amounts of oil from my local statoil and dousing some of my more worthless belongings like the things I would give to a needy charity otherwise and lighting it up in my support for the project. God bless those soldiers of fortune, if you'll excuse me I have to get back to my virtual life on Red Light Centre, I'm Tony Scrotum ladies and if your willing to put out I'll pay for your VIP ;)


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    #46
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    darkman2 wrote: »
    Their campaign ('shell to sea') is not all it seems. There is something more sinister about those that have hijacked it. Against commercial enterprise etc etc............communism, socialism and facism all apply to those who support the village idiots.
    When have they made the point that thy are against commercial enterprise. Their argument is to have the oil processed offshore and no on-shore.


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    #47
    Terry
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    She sells sea shells by the sea shore.


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    #48
    eroo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    ''Why aren't the gardai in my town to uphold "law and order"? We've had a murder, stabbings, a number of armed robberies not to mention the weekly drudge of "low-level" crime (this is a rural town). There aren't enough gardai on the beat where real crime is taking place''

    The world is not perfect.If we could have enough Gardai in every town and city then we would put them there but we just do not need a load of Gardai in rural areas where there is very little crime.If they were sent into your area then they would have to be sent in to EVERY area.
    Also,the Gardai are no different to any other police force,they cannot be everywhere!

    What annoys me about the protesters is there claim that the Gardai are 'Shells Police Force'.They are not,they are simply protecting the local populus and workers(who are also civilians!) from being attacked.They are stopping public roads being blocked and....they are stopping the protesters breaking the law by trespassing!
    Just let be thankful they live in Irealand,just look at how protesters are treatewd in Pakistan!Thankfully we live in a democracy..


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    #49
    one-angry-dwarf
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭one-angry-dwarf


    have to say i'm astonished at some of the replies so far. plenty of people taking issue with the fact that a lot of the protesters are not from the area. so what?! you don't have to live in rossport to be disgusted at whats going on there.Irelands a tiny county anyway. so if you're from a few miles down the road it's none of your business?
    Fair play to the guys who are actually up there trying to change something. weather you support their views or not at least they are out there standing up for something they believe in. it's more than most people (myself included) do. ranting away on a message board is grand but few people actually go out and stand up for other people. yea, it's possible some people's motives are questionable. guys just up for smashing up some cops or rioting or whatever, but i don't think it matters. the fact that they're there is the important thing.


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    #50
    Trode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Trode


    one-angry-dwarf wrote: »
    Fair play to the guys who are actually up there trying to change something. weather you support their views or not at least they are out there standing up for something they believe in. it's more than most people (myself included) do. ranting away on a message board is grand but few people actually go out and stand up for other people. yea, it's possible some people's motives are questionable. guys just up for smashing up some cops or rioting or whatever, but i don't think it matters. the fact that they're there is the important thing.

    No offense, but I find that a highly questionable position. Do you really think all protestors, regardless of their motives or goals, are laudable purely for getting up and doing something about their beliefs? Because if so, you're supporting people who are a lot more unpleasant than Shell to Sea.


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    #51
    lostexpectation
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    the locals do protest everyday, you just don't hear about it, you only hear about the protests days because of the violence from gardai, why did nobody post about the locals who stopped illegal drilling by shell last week?


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    #52
    one-angry-dwarf
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭one-angry-dwarf


    Trode wrote: »
    No offense, but I find that a highly questionable position. Do you really think all protestors, regardless of their motives or goals, are laudable purely for getting up and doing something about their beliefs? Because if so, you're supporting people who are a lot more unpleasant than Shell to Sea.

    yes. of course. It doesn't imply that I support all protesters in every scenario though. The act of going out and trying to make a difference in your world and standing up for what you believe in is something that I respect a great deal. Doesn't mean I support the views of all protesters though. In this case I would find myself on the side of the shell to sea crowd though.


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    #53
    eroo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    Can you provide us with links to prove this??The Mods of late have been coming down on those not providing links to back up/prove statements etc


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    #54
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/21544


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    #55
    galwayrush
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    lostexpectation wrote: »
    the locals do protest everyday, you just don't hear about it, you only hear about the protests days because of the violence from gardai, why did nobody post about the locals who stopped illegal drilling by shell last week?

    From what i saw on TV, it was the Protesters who attacked the Gardai first.
    If the Gardai were not there, i'm sure the safety of the people doing their days work would have been in severe danger.


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    #56
    eroo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    kbannon wrote: »
    http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/21544

    Of course that is a reliable,un-biased,non-bull****ting paper!;)


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    #57
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    e.g. of locals present at protests:
    www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2007/1110/1194550039672.html
    www.indymedia.ie/article/84384

    e.g of RPS illegally drilling within the pSAC without permission
    www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2684&Itemid=38


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    #58
    Pythia
    Registered Users Posts: 7,469 ✭✭✭Pythia


    kbannon wrote: »
    http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/21544

    Wow, why don't you link to indymedia too?
    A shinner website, come on!


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    #59
    knird evol
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭knird evol


    slinky wrote: »
    Why aren't the gardai in my town to uphold "law and order"? We've had a murder, stabbings, a number of armed robberies not to mention the weekly drudge of "low-level" crime (this is a rural town). There aren't enough gardai on the beat where real crime is taking place but then it's always easier uphold "law and order" by bashing a few protestors...perhaps we better get digging and pray for oil!

    The problem isn't with bringing gas ashore it's how it's brought ashore: the Rossport 5 want it refined at sea.

    My major problem with this project is this: RAY BURKE agreed a deal with Shell that gave the Irish people no royalties, not a RED CENT. This is our natural resource not Shell's, they made a 26billion profit - I think they'd survive paying a decent tax. They must be having a laugh in their boardroom - pay no royalties, maximize profits and hand over 150 grand to the local gaa club:mad:

    yeah, you sound you like your from a scrote town alight. I'd say you know plenty about those murders and stabbings.
    You want to extort money from shell. tough. you won't see a RED CENT. Shell will pumping gas from there long after the rent a mob and sinners and money grabbers have given up. Neither Ray Burke, the State nor you were able or willing to drill for gas there. Shell were. Let them pump gas. It will benefit Ire.There will always be leeches trying to cache in on others work.


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    #60
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Pythia wrote: »
    Wow, why don't you link to indymedia too?
    A shinner website, come on!
    So is it factually incorrect?


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    #61
    marco murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭marco murphy


    Galwayguy99 wrote: »
    Maybe he does, and he doesn't agree with their point of view. You mightn't agree with him, but hey, he's also entitled to his point of view. Course, he wouldn't be entitled to it in Bangor Erris, either you support the Shell to Sea idiots or you shut the **** up. If you express an alternative view there you'll be subject to serious intimidation. Nice.
    Ever since the troubles ended and the Shinners don't have anything to protest about anymore these idiots are looking for any bandwagon to jump on. The local NIMBYs and the bussed in "idealists", a match made in heaven :rolleyes:

    He was merely questioning his opinion.
    Yes you can have a point of view, but I think we can agree you're expected to back it up with a reason. No? :rolleyes:


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