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Irish Women; Gods Gift to the Earth

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    #212
    Phil01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Phil01


    Dinxminx wrote: »
    Mmm... the weather. Definitely the weather. All that heat leaves people laid back, chatty and relaxed....

    Yeah, well i think im through arguing here on boards, i dont think this is worth it anymore, i doubt im going to get anymore insightful comments. Just smart ass comments are coming in now. I think we should try and move ireland a few hundred km south of here... maybe that will solve all our problems!!:)


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    #213
    Dinxminx
    Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Dinxminx


    Yeah... my unbelievably cheerful personality must stem from the fact that, being half-spanish, I get to live in the sun for about three months a year....

    There's just no other explanation!

    :rolleyes:

    Phil, I just think you should give girls a break and see it from our perspective sometimes. Next time you see a girl put down one of your friends in a rude way stop for a second and think 'if he were a girl approaching me in the same way, would I behave the same?' A lot of the time you'll probably find you would, for whatever reason... Or that you can at least understand where she's coming from.

    And if you can't, then yes, you've either encountered somebody who's not very nice OR who's just having a bad day (had to say it! :p).

    Anyway, just try it!


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    #214
    Phil01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Phil01


    I'm not sugguesting that every girl should entertain a guy for the sake of his ego. What im trying to say is that if they are not interested in talking, why don't they be alot nicer, and the excuse of saying well she has 100's of guys coming on to her in a night is not good enough, because it takes as much effort to swear at a guy as it does to say "sorry i can't talk now" hence the guy gets the hint...! if the guy is drunk and doesn't get the hint... well then she can say whatever she wants to a drunk guy, because personally i hate seeing drunk guys grabbing and slobbering over women.


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    #215
    Red Hand
    Registered Users Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    What a thread! Just read all of it (I'm bored on boards).:)

    Have to say that I disagree with the OP. Strangers don't really owe you anything, and frankly if they don't want to talk to you in a pub or club then thats their right. And yeah, they may be rude and tell you to p*ss off if you don't get the hint. (If they are rude, then yeah, its not nice, but then again, they probably aren't worth knowing in that moment in time).

    Its all down to body language and eye contact-be they your neighbour that you've known for years, a friend, a family member, an acquaintance or a total stranger in a pub/club...you should be able to see if they are open to talking to you, or whether they want to be left alone at that time.

    Plus basic manners should always apply. Most people in pubs are there with their friends, talking/dancing/whatever, and if some drunk stranger breaks in on them rudely trying to clumsily chat someone up, then what do you expect will happen?


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    #216
    Dragan
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    Phil01 wrote: »
    ok maybe i should change my first all irish women to some irish women. I would expect even a 4 year old to understand what im saying here, i guess u are different though. Maybe i should change it so i wont confuse more ppl.

    Maybe you should and then your arguments about not making generalisations would hold more water?

    There is a significant difference between the implication of the word "all" and the word "some".

    This is a text based method of communication and by and large i will take what people type as being what they mean? Ergo, should you use the word "all" i will take that to mean "all" and not "some".

    I don't think it is too hard to appreciate that?


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    #217
    Laslo
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    Wicknight, give it a rest will you. I don't know if you live in Dublin or not but a huge percentage of Dublin women (say in their 20's and 30's) are incredibly stuck up and that's just a fact whether you like to admit it or not. A lot of young Dublin women seem to have confidence and self-assurance confused with arrogance and a loud mouth I hate to say.

    I'm not being mysogynistic here either - a lot of Dublin men are cocky, arrogant pr**ks as well. I guess the money (or at least credit) has gone to our heads a little too quickly.


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    #218
    Tigger
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    Laslo wrote: »
    Wicknight, give it a rest will you. I don't know if you live in Dublin or not but a huge percentage of Dublin women (say in their 20's and 30's) are incredibly stuck up and that's just a fact whether you like to admit it or not. A lot of young Dublin women seem to have confidence and self-assurance confused with arrogance and a loud mouth I hate to say.

    I'm not being mysogynistic here either - a lot of Dublin men are cocky, arrogant pr**ks as well. I guess the money (or at least credit) has gone to our heads a little too quickly.


    simply saying "i'm not being mysogynistic" dose not give credance to same



    are you from dublin or just lucky enough to live there


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    #219
    Zulu
    Registered Users Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Laslo wrote: »
    Wicknight, give it a rest will you. I don't know if you live in Dublin or not but a huge percentage of Dublin women (say in their 20's and 30's) are incredibly stuck up and that's just a fact whether you like to admit it or not.
    Because you say it is a fact doesn't make it so, observe:
    Everyone that says Irish women are stuck-up are in fact marginally retarded, can't score women, and serially abuse prostitutes - fact.

    You see that isn't true, just because I said it was a fact.


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    #220
    Tigger
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    Zulu wrote: »
    Because you say it is a fact doesn't make it so, observe:
    Everyone that says Irish women are stuck-up are in fact marginally retarded, can't score women, and serially abuse prostitutes - fact.

    You see that isn't true, just because I said it was a fact.


    just cos yer being irionic dosen't mean its not a little true


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    #221
    bragan
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    Phil01 wrote: »
    My main beef is that you’re throwing all Irish men into the one bucket; thinking they are rapist's out to molest young Irish women.

    Phil01, you are throwing all Irish women into one bucket too! You came on here saying that the majority of Irish women are stuck up there own asses. Isn't that putting alot of irish women into one bucket.

    There are plenty of girls out there that are nice to guys. They tell them to go away nicely, and if that doesn't work, tell them to p*ss off.

    There are also guys that will go away when you ask them nicely, and those that either take extreme offence to it, or just ignore it completely.

    Frankly, I don't know what sort of response you expected other than what you got.


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    #222
    Zulu
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    ...well there is that whole aspect to it. But there no proof eitherway so it's all a crock.


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    #223
    Tigger
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    Zulu wrote: »
    ...well there is that whole aspect to it. But there no proof eitherway so it's all a crock.


    we could do a survey


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    #224
    jackdaw
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    Dragan wrote: »
    Maybe your

    1) Ugly
    2) Socially inept
    3) Smell
    4) Casually insulting without reaslising it

    All these are possible viable options as to why you can't get an Irish lass to look at you.

    To be honest these weekly "Irish chicks are crap because……." threads are starting to fray my patience. Or maybe, just maybe, as based of this thread, it's because Irish GUYS seem to believe that every chick they look at should be instantly interested in them?

    Sure, that’s a gross generalisation but **** it, that seems to be the standard for these types of threads.

    Maybe you have nothing to offer them?

    Ouch !! very harsh on the OP ..

    I can see where he (OP) is coming from ..

    but this isn't just with Irish women, it's with Irish in general
    we have become ruder as we have become more materialistic ..
    ..however having said that i remember in my single days meeting a lot
    of snobby Irish girls, just keep looking , they're is decent ones out there...


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    #225
    Zombrex
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    Phil01 wrote: »
    It's easy to pick and choose what u quote, isn't it wicknight!!

    Well come on Phil. One sentence you are saying all Irish women the next sentence you are saying "I'm not saying all Irish women" You are contradicting yourself mid paragraph.

    As I said before, you sound confused more than anything else about who you are directing this rant towards.


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    #226
    Zombrex
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    hopalong85 wrote: »
    Wicknight has a tendency to leave out parts of what people say when he quotes. I guess he feels the need to misrepresent what's been said.

    I'm sure with your 48 posts on Boards you have a very good idea about what I have a tendency to do :rolleyes:


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    #227
    hopalong85
    Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭hopalong85


    Wicknight wrote: »
    I'm sure with your 48 posts on Boards you have a very good idea about what I have a tendency to do :rolleyes:

    Yes another fantastuc point. Well done. I forgot that on boards you aren't entitled to have an opinion or make a judgement until you have reached acertain amount of posts. My bad dude.:rolleyes:


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    #228
    SheroN
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    You're nobody here unless your join date is Feb 1998.........


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    #229
    Dinxminx
    Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Dinxminx


    Just out of curiosity; what would be the best thing a girl could say to be nice and yet get the message across that she doesn't really want to get into a conversation about the weather/drug addiction/your sexy dance moves?


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    #230
    Tigger
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    Dinxminx wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity; what would be the best thing a girl could say to be nice and yet get the message across that she doesn't really want to get into a conversation about the weather/drug addiction/your sexy dance moves?

    sorry i need to pee my ghonerea is playing up


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    #231
    Phil01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Phil01


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Well come on Phil. One sentence you are saying all Irish women the next sentence you are saying "I'm not saying all Irish women" You are contradicting yourself mid paragraph.

    As I said before, you sound confused more than anything else about who you are directing this rant towards.

    Done ok; i changed the start of my first post!! So now it has to be clear who i'm directing this topic too!! I can't believe you find it so hard to understand!! Even thought i made it clear in the next paragraph so i wouldnt get supid posters saying that not all the women were arrogant!
    SOME Irish women are arrogant and snobish NOT ALL!
    quote by bragan;Phil01, you are throwing all Irish women into one bucket too! You came on here saying that the majority of Irish women are stuck up there own asses. Isn't that putting alot of irish women into one bucket.
    Yes it is putting alot of women in the same bucket; but not ALL of them. I know there are some really nice girls who will say polite to you, that they don't want to speak with you. I'm just trying not to get caught up in war against all the women of ireland!!


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    #232
    Dinxminx
    Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Dinxminx


    Phil please answer my question..

    rbd......... Euuw! My vanity would never allow it!


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    #233
    Latchy
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    Quote =SheroN;You're nobody here unless your join date is Feb 1998.........
    Ah **** i might as well leave now .......


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    #234
    Tigger
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    Phil01 wrote: »
    Done ok; i changed the start of my first post!! So now it has to be clear who i'm directing this topic too!! I can't believe you find it so hard to understand!! Even thought i made it clear in the next paragraph so i wouldnt get supid posters saying that not all the women were arrogant!
    SOME Irish women are arrogant and snobish NOT ALL!


    Yes it is putting alot of women in the same bucket; but not ALL of them. I know there are some really nice girls who will say polite to you, that they don't want to speak with you. I'm just trying not to get caught up in war against all the women of ireland!!


    you sir are funny

    the op was all irish women

    changing that to [basic jist] some women are mean to me [/basic jist]
    is a different and would be better recieved post

    just my little opinion


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    #235
    Zulu
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    Wicknight 1, Phil01 0.


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    #236
    Phil01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Phil01


    Dinxminx wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity; what would be the best thing a girl could say to be nice and yet get the message across that she doesn't really want to get into a conversation about the weather/drug addiction/your sexy dance moves?


    Ok for a scenario if she was out with a group of friends and a guy came up and started chatting, all the girl has to say is "sorry u seem like a nice guy but i just want to be around my friends now"

    Something along those lines would be more than enough for any sober guy to comprehend!!
    quote by zulu; Wicknight 1, Phil01 0.

    I didn't know this was a competition, i had to change because everyone was giving me grief that i was confusing them. I thought it was simple to understand, but i guess i was wrong.


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    #237
    Zulu
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    Phil01 wrote: »
    I didn't know this was a competition, i had to change because everyone was giving me grief that i was confusing them. I thought it was simple to understand, but i guess i was wrong.
    Arguments and debates are competitive by nature.


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    #238
    Zombrex
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    Phil01 wrote: »
    Done ok; i changed the start of my first post!! So now it has to be clear who i'm directing this topic too!!

    It was clear to everyone else Phil before it was clear to you ...

    The women you are mad at are the ones that have embarrassed either you or your friends by being, in your opinion, rude to them when they tried to chat them up.

    Your little rant at the start that all or some, a majority or minority, of Irish women are "so arrogant" was just you not knowing how to direct this.

    When someone embarrasses us it is natural human instinct to get angry at the person that just embarrassed us. Everyone does this. Its easier than considering that we might have done something wrong. This is especially true when it comes to sexual attraction between opposite sexes, since self esteem is deeply routed to how we view ourselves as successful sexually.

    Young people, particularly men but also women, get very self conscious over how we are viewed by members of the opposite sex. It is the age old paradox that we feel attraction to the opposite sex yet hostility to them as well because this attraction is frustrating.

    Which is why a guy will go up to a girl one minute wanting to score/date her and be saying she is a horrible bitch the next minute. Its why we will be going out with someone when we are young thinking they are the love of our life only to spend the next 6 months bad mouthing them after they break up with us.

    When we are embarrassed or hurt we seek to turn this around and clear ourselves of uncertainty or feeling of guilt for what ever happened by projecting the negative onto the person that embarrassed us.

    Which is what you are doing.

    You don't really think Irish women, a large minority or a majority, are arrogant bitches. You don't know enough of them to possibly say that.

    But it is what you want to believe because it fits within this explanation that you have created as a form of self defense in this "battle of the sexes"

    Saying that Irish girls are arrogant bitches explains away all the embarrassment or frustration you have had with Irish women.
    Phil01 wrote: »
    SOME Irish women are arrogant and snobish NOT ALL!

    Of course they are. People can be arrogant, snobbish, shellfish, rude, arrogant, ignorant, petty, mean, spiteful etc etc.

    But then that isn't what you are really talking about.

    You don't know any of the girls that have done this. I would imagine they walk off never to be seen again. You couldn't possibly say anything about their personality based on what they say to a stranger in a nightclub.

    But what is far more important than the reality is the image that can be created for the self-defense I mentioned above. You need these women to be faulty, to be arrogant, to be bitches, because that means they are at fault, not you.

    The alternative is that they are wonderfully nice people and the guy did something wrong. Which is not an acceptable alternative.

    If you classify these women as being arrogant and snobbish that means they can't hurt your or embarrass you, because they are the ones at fault. Its not your problem, its something wrong with them. You then don't have anything to feel bad about, or at least that is what you tell yourself, because they are the problem.


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    #239
    Dinxminx
    Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Dinxminx


    Phil01 wrote: »
    Ok for a scenario if she was out with a group of friends and a guy came up and started chatting, all the girl has to say is "sorry u seem like a nice guy but i just want to be around my friends now"

    I'd still feel like the guy would feel resentful towards me; the truth is that if you said that, there are a few guys out there that would sneer and say "yeah sure... whatever" or get aggressive for no other reason than the fact that, at the end of the day - nicely or not - they're getting turned down..


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    #240
    Zulu
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    Woah great post Wicknight! Very well considered.


    Wicknight, in fairness, this is after hours, either dumb it down a little or take the piss. ;)


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    #241
    Dinxminx
    Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Dinxminx


    Mmm does anyone else feel like this thread has a real PI vibe to it?


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