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Some people, however, think that once they see a username in BOLD that they are a Mod of The Site, not just the forum they are assigned to. I, myself, have received PMs from various users since I became a mod asking, among other things, why they were banned from Forum X, how to subscribe to boards.ie etc etc.
not really relevant. this is a discussion about AH, not how mods should be preceived by boards.ie users as a whole.
I'm just getting to my point now. Go to any feedback thread that has descended into Cat Pictures. The vast majority of people who have posted cat pics, also have their name in BOLD.
It doesn't matter if the OP had a valid point or not. All a user will see is yet another feedback thread descend into chaos, and the OP subjected to ridicule. It doesn't matter if it was deserved or not, it doesn't matter if you, me or DeVore thought it was deserved or not, what matters, imo, is the fact that it may make even one user from commenting on this thread in anything that could be construed as a negative way.
this isnt the feedback forum. again, i dont think its relevant to what im trying to do here.
actually, when you mention cliques and bannings etc, then i take it that you are implying that its a bad thing.Look, I never said a clique was a bad thing, did I? I didn't even imply it.
whether you meant it or not is also irrelevant, you mentioned it, i gave you an answer on it. we cant do anything about it, and im yet to hear a solution from anyone about it. until i do, its not worth the bandwidth it takes to discuss it.Well that's neither here nor there. Every mod is aware that they are no longer mods outside of their own forums. If they choose to act the prick, they deserve to be banned. Simple.
And quite right too. Mods should be seen to be even more within the bounds imo. No mod should be giving trouble to another.
absolutely incorrect. a mod is a user on any other forum. we are not police officers. if someone acts the mickey on another forum, they get banned. ive been banned from plenty of fora. it doesnt detract from anything i do.
Wha...?!?
Who says I don't like it? Jesus, that was a major leap to make there WWM. I simply posted in this thread in an attempt to get some of the 40% to post. I postulated what some of their issues may be. In the hope that either
1. They'd agree with me and post to let you know
2. They wouldn't agree with me, but post what their actual issues are.
again, you posted something, i answered it. i cant be held reponsible for you having different feelings from what you actually post. i read. i dont mind read
i have no problem with you playing devils advocate. in fact i like it. but, im still trying to answer each thing youve brought up. thats what this thread is for.
you could be asking the same questions lots of people have. part of my role is to answer.
the fact that you mentioned that this was a love in and people were afraid to post, well, i simply mentioned that its relevant feedback. if someone reads this thread, and says, jeez, its the AH clique having a love in, whats the point. well i can stand by it and say, this is the feedback we got.
i cant help it if we are popularErm...where did I say it was negative? Please, I'm really confused at this turn in your tone.
Another AH mod copped immediately why I had posted.
we dont all think alike. we are not a hive mentality.
why did you post?
Yes, and there's a Soccer Clique, there's a Broadband Clique, there's a Feedback Clique, there's a Carlow IT Clique.
Some people don't feel comfortable upsetting the applecart.
There is nothing anyone can do about that, alls I was pointing out is that it was a possible issue one of the 40% may have had. Possibly not. You clearly disagree, but isn't that what discussion forums are all about?
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i dont disagree. but this forum as you pointed out is like every other one. so im not really understanding your point. im sure some people do feel 'intimidated' by the 'clique' but again, mods cant make users 'do' anything. again, its not worth the bandwidth to discuss here. if you want to start a seperate thread on it though, im happy to post on itYes*, and you seem to have smacked me down from a height here.
*obviously not.
it annoys me when i disagree with people, and i explain why, and they think im giving them a 'smackdown'. ive got to assume youre an intelligent person. i fail to see why an opinion backed up with experience and evidence constitutes a smackdown.
if this was 2 years ago, i would have called you an annoying prick, and given you a smackdown. but im nice now. i merely give my opinions and my reasons for them. if i disagree, then i tell you why. thats all ive done on this thread.
We both want the same thing.
in that case, if there are points that youve made, that you dont feel have been answered, whether you agree with them or not, then keep speaking up.
perhaps i should start a new thread entitled 'whats wrong with AH and how do you suggest we fix it'
on a personal note, i actually dont think theres much wrong with the place.
there are some issues that need to be addressed, and im still trying to figure out what, if anything should be done.
but i know my thoughts. i want the negatives, and i want solutions.
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Yeah, and I apologise for doing that.WhiteWashMan wrote: »not really relevant. this is a discussion about AH, not how mods should be preceived by boards.ie users as a whole.
But would you agree that it's a thread looking for feedback on AH?WhiteWashMan wrote: »this isnt the feedback forum. again, i dont think its relevant to what im trying to do here.
I think it is relevent. It's a feedback type thead, it may have feedback type problems
:eek:WhiteWashMan wrote: »absolutely incorrect.WhiteWashMan wrote: »a mod is a user on any other forum. we are not police officers. if someone acts the mickey on another forum, they get banned. ive been banned from plenty of fora. it doesnt detract from anything i do..
That's what I said...
OK.WhiteWashMan wrote: »again, you posted something, i answered it. i cant be held reponsible for you having different feelings from what you actually post. i read. i dont mind readWhiteWashMan wrote: »i have no problem with you playing devils advocate. in fact i like it. Good, because that's exactly what I'm doing.WhiteWashMan wrote: »but, im still trying to answer each thing youve brought up. thats what this thread is for.
Thanks a lot, and you are doing a bang up job might I add, fair play to you.
So, it's a thread looking for feedback, but not a feedback thread.WhiteWashMan wrote: »you could be asking the same questions lots of people have. part of my role is to answer.
the fact that you mentioned that this was a love in and people were afraid to post, well, i simply mentioned that its relevant feedback.
That's much more clear to me now.
No you can't.WhiteWashMan wrote: »if someone reads this thread, and says, jeez, its the AH clique having a love in, whats the point. well i can stand by it and say, this is the feedback we got.
i cant help it if we are popular
But you could become even more popular IF some of the 40% posted, and their issues were dealt with in a way in which they would like.
As above.WhiteWashMan wrote: »we dont all think alike. we are not a hive mentality.
why did you post?
Ah come on, I even put aWhiteWashMan wrote: »it annoys me when i disagree with people, and i explain why, and they think im giving them a 'smackdown'. ive got to assume youre an intelligent person. i fail to see why an opinion backed up with experience and evidence constitutes a smackdown. beside that comment. I didn't consider it a smack down at all.
Call me it now if you like.WhiteWashMan wrote: »if this was 2 years ago, i would have called you an annoying prick,
Obviously.WhiteWashMan wrote: »and given you a smackdown. but im nice now. i merely give my opinions and my reasons for them. if i disagree, then i tell you why. thats all ive done on this thread.
Actually, the points I made, I don't think have a solution per se. That's nobody's fault by the way, they are just unfixable imo.WhiteWashMan wrote: »in that case, if there are points that youve made, that you dont feel have been answered, whether you agree with them or not, then keep speaking up.
That's what this is I would have thought.WhiteWashMan wrote: »perhaps i should start a new thread entitled 'whats wrong with AH and how do you suggest we fix it'
Well, it would be nice to hear what these issues you feel need to be addressed are. If you opened this thread, perhaps you could look for ideas on that from the general AH userbase as to solutions to the issues you feel are there.[/quote]WhiteWashMan wrote: »there are some issues that need to be addressed, and im still trying to figure out what, if anything should be done.WhiteWashMan wrote: »i like cats.
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But would you agree that it's a thread looking for feedback on AH?
I think it is relevent. It's a feedback type thead, it may have feedback type problems
yes, but you were talking about the feedback forum, and what happens there. the same thing doesnt happen on this forum as far as i am aware.That's what I said...
nope, you said that moderators should be seen to be 'even more within the bounds'.
i disagree. a mod is just a user like anyone else, and is subject to the same rules of any other forum. they are also allowed to do whatever they like on any other forum. though they run the risk of getting banned.Well, it would be nice to hear what these issues you feel need to be addressed are. If you opened this thread, perhaps you could look for ideas on that from the general AH userbase as to solutions to the issues you feel are there.
id rather get feedback from people on how things are now, not have a hypothetical discussion on what may or not be.
if people really have a major gripe with this forum, i really want to hear it. so far, ive not heard anything that makes me think we should change the forum as it stands.0 -
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WhiteWashMan wrote: »i disagree. a mod is just a user like anyone else, and is subject to the same rules of any other forum. they are also allowed to do whatever they like on any other forum. though they run the risk of getting banned.
I disagree to an extent. There are situations where I'd be less inclined to give a moderator the benefit of the doubt than a new poster. They are far more likely to be aware that they are breaking the rules with a post versus a new person for whom it might be a genuine mistake.0 -
I disagree to an extent. There are situations where I'd be less inclined to give a moderator the benefit of the doubt than a new poster. They are far more likely to be aware that they are breaking the rules with a post versus a new person for whom it might be a genuine mistake.
ok, my bad for not fully explaining.
a mod on any other forum is just a user in my eyes. they are subject to the same bans and rules as anyone else.
but i do not think they should have to be seen to be 'even more within the bounds' of another forums rules. we arent police. we dont have to uphold some sort of moral role for people.
actually, i think the term moderator is really the wrong word for what we do.
i would much rather the term facilitator. thats what i feel we do. we facilitate these fora to enable people to post. we do this by not allowing other users to be abused, by getting rid of spam ro advertising. we also get rid of distuptive forces (how disruptive depends on the forum, and weve gone over this at least 2 million times)
being a mod doesnt not mean strutting about with a big ban hammer (tm) smacking down users, and quashing opinions. it also means that since im not a 'facilitator' on the sailing forum, im free to do whatever i like in there (within the bounds of the charter, or get banned)
i think the motto to adopt is 'if you wont do the time, dont do the crime'. if a mod breaks a charter, ban them. simple.
it does not however mean that mods have to be seen to be cleaner than clean, towing the party line, or whatever other euphemism you wish to adopt.
does that make sense?
quite frankly, im surprised i wasnt banned for taking the micky out of the foot fetish thread on the PI forum. 0 -
I'd be less inclined to give a moderator the benefit of the doubt than a new poster.
on that note, im fairly lenient anyway, but i dont make any differentiation between moderators and users.
if its ban worthy, youre banned. if its just annoying and youre being an arse, i'll warn. its a pretty simple system
besides, everyone knows that moderators are scum
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WhiteWashMan wrote: »it does not however mean that mods have to be seen to be cleaner than clean, towing the party line, or whatever other euphemism you wish to adopt.
does that make sense?
Yeah it does and I'd generally agree with it. I just have less patience when dealing with people who I think should know better and still protest innocence. I've no issue with mods who abuse someone at length and then take their ensuing ban with the attitude of "it was worth it". 0 -
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Not really...no. Do you really feel the need to make it known that you agree and couldn't do it without adding your own 2c on top?Well, can we keep "qft" and "+1" for when someone complains about how stupid it is?
As above: This would be fine. I don't want to get rid of the actual phrases, just the practise of relying on them solely to express agreement (i.e. "Qft"+a quote = the entire post)Also what if someone says "qft" and then builds on the argument? I presume that is fine.[/SIZE]Edit: Next time you put [noparse]
No.[/noparse] tags in your post can you stick [noparse] tags around it. Otherwise it mucks up when someone tries to quote you.
Done. It messed my reply up too, if it's any consolation.
It's a simple idea: One can continue to reply with "qft" and "+1" but they must simply add another line with it, etc. to make their post worth the 2 seconds it takes to read.0 -
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Not really...no. Do you really feel the need to make it known that you agree and couldn't do it without adding your own 2c on top?
I'm just on about when someone goes into a rant about how much they hate the "+1" and "qft" thing. 'Tis funny to see someone quote the post and just say qft.It's a simple idea: One can continue to reply with "qft" and "+1" but they must simply add another line with it, etc. to make their post worth the 2 seconds it takes to read.
I thought as much, I just wanted to clarify.0 -
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Right, I'll throw this one out to the floor:
This practise by some users to simplya post and add "+1" or "QFT" ... do you want it gone?
I personally don't enjoy thrawling through a thread where 5 - 10 posts that are simple echoes. It'd encourage people to build on a previous users arguement, etc. and hopefully raise the bar as a result?
What say you?
* Readies banstick for the first smart-ass to
+1and append an echo.
* Readies bigger stick for those that cannot be banned.
+1imo, any post that consists solely of
qft
lol, lmao, rofl, roflcopter etc etc
+1
tbh
a rolleyes
a big green grin
a smiley face
an eek
a mr cool
a winker
a sticky tongue
a scarleh person
mr angry
mr sad
mr confused
in before lock
" eh that should be in teh Dublin forum" by a non AH mod
postcount +1
and all other posts that contribute nothing to a discussion should be outlawed.It's just to add to the 'no IRC' rule/list.
If they feel strongly enough to type any message, even if it's just to show that they agree, surely they can go as far as actually typing something worth reading.
You clearly don't read as much crap in AH as I do.
I completely agree.
I try to read every single post. Admittedly, it was a lot easier before the upgrade because there were less posts and the upgrade has made little difference to the speed on my crappy pc. I was using my friend's pc the other day and did notice the difference.
Anyway, yeah. All joking aside, that whole +1 thing is woeful, as are the things listed above by DesF.
AC did make a good point though about the jokey ones.
Like the "yore ma" thing, it's really all about context, although a follow up would be preferable.
Edit. Karoma, I do not know how that quote thing was messed up.
I used the multi quote, so it should have been done properly.
I'm not changing it though. I know how much you like it.0 -
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