Fallout 3

Maximilian

I have to say, I think it's pretty bad that people are pirating this game and worse still, apparently defending their right to do so.

MOH

Maximilian wrote: »

I have to say, I think it's pretty bad that people are pirating this game and worse still, apparently defending their right to do so.

+1. I could understand it if it had the usual Securom bull or something similar, but it doesn't. (Does it?)

thelordofcheese

MOH wrote: »

+1. I could understand it if it had the usual Securom bull or something similar, but it doesn't. (Does it?)

I believe it does, i've heard of some people having all kinds of issues.

humanji

Yeah, it comes with SecuROM 7, but I've had no trouble with it. I don't think I've even seen the little SecuROM pop up that appears when you start other games with it, which is odd.

DapperGent

If I buy Fallout through steam does it still have this DRM shít in it? I was going to grab it in the shops to save my download cap but I'm not going to get it at all if it has this hateful crap bundled with it.

Mantel

humanji wrote: »

Yeah, it comes with SecuROM 7, but I've had no trouble with it. I don't think I've even seen the little SecuROM pop up that appears when you start other games with it, which is odd.

It appears to be an on-disc only version of secuROM or something like that, it's there, that's what matters.

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46245

Earlier this month, Bethesda Softworks promised us that Fallout 3 would have no invasive DRM scheme, and that they would go for the 'mildest form possible'. These are nothing but broken promises! In fact, Fallout 3 is shipping with SecuROM 7! Someone already got bitten by it, with a known SecuROM error: Conflict with Emulation Software detected. Now, we all know what that means! Non-invasive DRM? Of course not, Bethesda. We had hope, only for it to be a let-down. Also, Fallout 3 comes with SecuROM 7.36.0006. In short, Bethesda has betrayed us!

SecurROM have also released a patch

and Bethesda have posted it on their fourms with some instructions

MOH

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I believe it does, i've heard of some people having all kinds of issues.

Feck it, I feel for the no-DRM line. Should have checked first.

Pre-order cancelled. Thanks for that.

Gerard_Smith

Ordered my copy from Gamesnash, shipped yesterday and arrived today

Really enjoying it so far but man the mouse lag is annoying.

Stev_o

Mantel wrote: »

It appears to be an on-disc only version of secuROM or something like that, it's there, that's what matters.

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46245



SecurROM have also released a patch

and Bethesda have posted it on their fourms with some instructions

Whats so ironic about that article is that NMA have the utmost passion of hating anything Bethesda would do so the fact they are saying they betrayed them is just stupid.

Bethesda are actually one of the best developers in the world for giving back to their community it wont be long before they release the whole mod tool set for Fallout 3 and then everyone will go crazy making new mods for it, same happened with Oblivion a lesser developer (Im looking at you Ubisoft!) would say f*ck you have your game you dont need anything else.

pixelburp

Indeed, I hope for all their bitching, when the mod tools come out, the NMA community get off their asses and put their money (as it were) where their mouth is.

Stev_o

pixelburp wrote: »

Indeed, I hope for all their bitching, when the mod tools come out, the NMA community get off their asses and put their money (as it were) where their mouth is.

Well they did mod Fallout 2 but thats a different story altogether but the fact is that given that Bethesda will actually allow every community to (improve,ruin,destroy etc) their game means that they do deserve alot of respect which i very much doubt they will get from most people.

Just wondering how long it ll take before someone mods in the Grey Fox :P

DemocAnarchis

humanji wrote: »

Yeah, it comes with SecuROM 7, but I've had no trouble with it. I don't think I've even seen the little SecuROM pop up that appears when you start other games with it, which is odd.

Yup, same here. Didn't even realise there was DRM on it, installed and ran like a charm. I don't see what the fuss is about tbh, there is no limited install and there are patches available to remedy the issue if present. I dont have a problem with non-invasive DRM. If people are going to pirate, they will do so regardless, as is obvious from this thread. It is a mild deterrant.

Personally I find the statements to the effect of "Fvck Bethesda, they have non invasive drm so i'm going to pirate the game out of "principle" " pretty reprehensible. Buy the game you stingy cvnts, you know can download a nocd/cracked exe if you really cant get it to run, dont use it as some kind of justification for theft.

Pyr0

Maximilian wrote: »

I have to say, I think it's pretty bad that people are pirating this game and worse still, apparently defending their right to do so.

I downloaded the game because I just couldn't wait any longer

Buying it on Saturday when I get paid tomorrow though, thats for sure. Actually saying that, I might pick crysis wars if it isn't too expensive now that I have the money, that wasn't bad !

Was playing it last night for a few hours, it has a lot of features ported over from Oblivion, such as sleeping, speed traveling, waiting, pick pocketing, slightly reworked lock picking system, same sneaking machanics, melee combat feels the same too.

I don't like how the city isn't as free roaming as they made it out to be, and its VERY deserted same can be said for the country side, you can wander around for about ten minutes looking for something of interest only to bump into 3 raiders in one place or in a little make shift base somewhere in a building, kind of like the caves (but not as big) or little camp sites in Oblivion. Ran into my first super mutant with a minigun and was suprised how easy it was to take him down. This was early in the game too, i was level 3 or so and playing on hard.

I'd have liked if the towns were a little more populated and bigger, and not just seeing the same old 10-12 npcs around the place like it Oblivion.

I'm liking the game, but not as much as I hoped. When the mod tools get released, which I'm pretty sure they will. I can see some Fallout 1 and 2 story mods which would be pretty sweet.

I feel it is a fallout game, and not just a FPS with a post nuclear feeling.

MOH

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

Yup, same here. Didn't even realise there was DRM on it, installed and ran like a charm. I don't see what the fuss is about tbh, there is no limited install and there are patches available to remedy the issue if present. I dont have a problem with non-invasive DRM. If people are going to pirate, they will do so regardless, as is obvious from this thread. It is a mild deterrant.

Personally I find the statements to the effect of "Fvck Bethesda, they have non invasive drm so i'm going to pirate the game out of "principle" " pretty reprehensible. Buy the game you stingy cvnts, you know can download a nocd/cracked exe if you really cant get it to run, dont use it as some kind of justification for theft.

It's more the fact they said they weren't going to have invasive DRM, when in fact they've got a DRM which dictates what else you can have on your system if you want to run the game. Which I consider invasive.

I was looking forward to Farcry 2, but I'm not buying it because it's got Securom. Conversely, I was meh about Fallout 3 because I never played the originals, and never got around to finishing Oblivion, so didn't think it was worth it.

Then I heard it was basically DRM free, with something like a CD check, and I thought fair dues, I'll support that, so I pre-ordered it. And now I find that it does in fact have bloody Securom on it. OK, it's a damn sight better than the recent trend towards limited online activations, but it's certainly more than Bethesda claimed would be on it.

Saying you can download a cracked exe if you want to get it to run, while condemning pirates, is a bit hypocritical - where does the cracked exe come from?

Too late anyway, my pre-order's shipped, so I'm stuck with it now. Hope it's worth it.

DemocAnarchis

MOH wrote: »

Saying you can download a cracked exe if you want to get it to run, while condemning pirates, is a bit hypocritical - where does the cracked exe come from?

As a last resort, i think using a cracked exe is fine. You are still paying for the game, you are just over-riding copy protection. I dislike pirating, but I have no issues with modifying a game that you have payed for so you can use it.

L31mr0d

MOH wrote: »

Saying you can download a cracked exe if you want to get it to run, while condemning pirates, is a bit hypocritical - where does the cracked exe come from?

when you get down to it, everyone has their line in the sand on where they stand on piracy and copyright infringement. There really is no point arguing it as everyone, to an extent, is a hypocrite. I've never met someone who adheres completely to all aspects of copyright law.

People should really be talking about the gameplay in Fallout 3 and not the people who got advance copies. There are plenty of piracy threads that can be necromanced if people want to explain why they think their particular line in the sand should be the de facto approach to piracy

Gummy Panda

Maximilian wrote: »

I have to say, I think it's pretty bad that people are pirating this game and worse still, apparently defending their right to do so.

I already paid for mine through steam. I'm just having a sneak peak.

I'll be deleting the yarr version off as soon as my steam download is available.

Sarky

Stev_o wrote: »

Well they did mod Fallout 2 but thats a different story altogether but the fact is that given that Bethesda will actually allow every community to (improve,ruin,destroy etc) their game means that they do deserve alot of respect which i very much doubt they will get from most people.

Just wondering how long it ll take before someone mods in the Grey Fox :P

You say fan-mods, I see them getting the public to turn their game into a finished product.

Stev_o

Sarky wrote: »

You say fan-mods, I see them getting the public to turn their game into a finished product.

Would you say the exact same for STALKER then?

DirkVoodoo

There was no SDK released with fallout (some cynics would point to this as an effort to force people into paying for DL content).

So, don't hold your breath for the mods to come flooding out.

pixelburp

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

There was no SDK released with fallout (some cynics would point to this as an effort to force people into paying for DL content).

So, don't hold your breath for the mods to come flooding out.

Oblivion had both DLC (the infamous "Horse Armour" - yeesh) and Mod tools & said tools didn't come out in conjunction with the release iirc. Besides, a number of mod tools for Oblivion are fan made, so I have faith. The Oblivion mod community is large, vocal & well respected by Bethesda so I expect the tools to appear eventually.

Sarky

Stev_o wrote: »

Would you say the exact same for STALKER then?

Probably. Stalker was released full of bugs, after all.
I would love nothing more than for Fallout 3 to be a staggeringly awesome game the day of its release. But I've seen enough games come out with flaws that could easily have been fixed before they went on sale that I just don't believe anything I read about a game anymore. Hell, I'll be skeptical at the RRP on the box these days.

humanji

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

There was no SDK released with fallout (some cynics would point to this as an effort to force people into paying for DL content).

So, don't hold your breath for the mods to come flooding out.

There's an option for selecting which mods to start the game with in the launcher, so it's a safe bet there will be an SDK at some point.

DirkVoodoo

Peter Hines Interview

You could argue that since it is using the oblivion engine, the SDK could have been shipped with little fuss. The fact that there are no concrete details leads me to the "don't hold your breath" comment.

Yes, oblivion had both, but that doesn't mean they are not changing tack for this new release.

P.S. The oblivion SDK was released on the day of the games release.

humanji

Can't open the link in work.

I get what you're saying though and it is ****ty that it didn't ship with it, but I've no doubt that it'll arrive soon enough. Sure it gives us plenty of time to explore the game.

pixelburp

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Peter Hines Interview

You could argue that since it is using the oblivion engine, the SDK could have been shipped with little fuss. The fact that there are no concrete details leads me to the "don't hold your breath" comment.

Yes, oblivion had both, but that doesn't mean they are not changing tack for this new release.

P.S. The oblivion SDK was released on the day of the games release.

Indeed, but arguably as it is the exact same engine, in theory the same files, utilities etc will work from Oblivion to Fallout. In theory. I haven't done any research yet into the subject so couldn't say. It's not like Bethesda can play their cards that close to their chest.

And in fairness to Hines, all he said really was that it wasn't on their radar at the time & they were super busy. He dragged his heals, but nothing overtly negative. It's conjecture anyway, but this line says it all:
If we have the time, we’d absolutely like to put them out.

DirkVoodoo

I think it might just be my cynical nature

In fairness, from what I have read it doesnt sound like it needs any game-improving mods out of the box, and I enjoyed oblivion fine first time round without mods.

All I need to do now is figure how to get through work tomorrow with fallout mocking me on my desk

pixelburp

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I think it might just be my cynical nature

In fairness, from what I have read it doesnt sound like it needs any game-improving mods out of the box, and I enjoyed oblivion fine first time round without mods.

All I need to do now is figure how to get through work tomorrow with fallout mocking me on my desk

Well it's just funny you mention mods really, because it came up earlier today as I was reading a review from bit-tech, who specifically mentioned the console-oriented interface and how it was a fairly clunky affair for PC users. It then highlighted the Oblivion BTmod which went about fixing the crappy UI.

But hey, what of it. The important thing is... I'm still fecking waiting for my copy. Hurrrrrry up damnit
*hops up and down*

DemocAnarchis

L31mr0d wrote: »

People should really be talking about the gameplay in Fallout 3 and not the people who got advance copies. There are plenty of piracy threads that can be necromanced if people want to explain why they think their particular line in the sand should be the de facto approach to piracy

Yup, agree. My copy from gamesnash was delivered today, spent about two hours playing it and so far I love what I see. Character creation was amazing, took what morrowind/oblivion did and took it to a whole new level, although I agree that it would be tedious to have to go through that multiple times. So far I havent seen much in the way of wit dialogue wise, but there are some nice "fallout" touches :

the "SPECIAL" book, the G.O.A.T, the Church of Atom

It took a little getting used to balancing the turn based and standard fps but I really like the camera work when you're in VATS. So far, so good.

mewso

Just ordered it on steam. No pre-download? or am I missing something. I ordered it assuming I could play it when I got home from work tomorrow but looks like I'll be gnashing my teeth watching a percentage indicator.