Fallout 3

Maximilian

Now that we've finally got our hands on a follow-up to System Shock, the other game I've been waiting for for years is this one.

There's an interesting interview here on Eurogamer

Personally, I have a lot of confidence that they won't mess it up.

koneko

Yeah, I think Bethesda know what they're doing, really looking forward to seeing more of this.

JCDenton

Aw man, next Autumn?!

That's aaaaages away!

humanji

JCDenton wrote:

Aw man, next Autumn?!

That's aaaaages away!

Ah, sure that's what they said when they announced Duke Nukem Forever, and now look...oh...wait a sec...

Kur4mA

Wow, that looks and sounds absolutely amazing! I'm glad they're making much more personal than the Elder Scrolls series.

Steez

I'm so blowing up that town with the nuke in the middle. Assuming that's the same interview i read a while back. Sounds funky anyway.

Maximilian

Some nice new screenshots were leaked onto the web. Here.

humanji

It's getting harder and harder not to buld up my hopes for this. That zombie looks fantastic!

Gizzle

One wonders if they'll go down the Fallout 2 route, and add more unnecessary sexual in-your-endo, or the Fallout 1 route, and just be very darkly humourous. Still really looking forward to it though. Ever since a glitch ended my hopes of clearing Fallout 2, I've been biding my time for another chance at post-apocalyptic redemption.

humanji

I kind of liked the Fallout 2 humour.

Rhyme

humanji wrote: »

That zombie looks fantastic!

That birthday party looks fantastic too.

Gizzle

Im a bit confused as to why he shoots a guys leg off while he's doing a hand stand. Subconscious fear of gymnasts?

Branoic

I really really really hope they ditch or at least seriously modify their auto-levelling system implemented in Oblivion, which for me really detracted from that game. Every two-bit common bandit in Cyrodiil ended up wandering around with mithril armour and glass weapons! Really took me out of the immersion in the universe.

Moriarty

Nyom nyom.

pixelburp

Branoic wrote: »

I really really really hope they ditch or at least seriously modify their auto-levelling system implemented in Oblivion, which for me really detracted from that game. Every two-bit common bandit in Cyrodiil ended up wandering around with mithril armour and glass weapons! Really took me out of the immersion in the universe.

True, but the beauty of Oblivion was that it had/has a very strong modding community & there are a number of mods that fixed the stupid levelling system. I don't think I actually played much "Vanilla" oblivion; it was mostly a heavily modded one.

KoKane

I hope Warhammer and GTA4 come out WAY before Fallout 3.
It would be nice to play both for a while.

Start saving up your weeks wages now folks. So you can quit your job when Fallout3 comes out.

Kiith

GTA4 is out in 19 days, and Warhammer is out in the Autumn, so theres no worry there.

humanji

Here's some more blurb from Gamespot about it:

More than 10 years ago, serious computer role-playing game fans fell in love with a postapocalyptic role-playing game called Fallout, a game that offered deep role-playing, dark humor, and a memorable adventure that was worth replaying. More than 10 years later, an entirely different studio is now working on the next game in the series, trying to stay true to the original vision of the first Fallout game from 1997 while also including all the improvements and open-ended exploration of its last game, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. Yes, Bethesda Softworks is working on Fallout 3. Yes, your adventure will take place in the post-apocalyptic wasteland (in this case, the ruins of Washington DC), yes, you'll still start your adventure as a dweller in a Vault (a colony living in a radiation shelter left over from the nuclear war), and yes, we had an opportunity to take an updated look at the game.

Our updated tour of the game started with the very beginning--how you create your character by being born to your mother, Katherine, and your scientist father, James (voiced by actor Liam Neeson). Through a hazy first-person cinematic sequence from the perspective of the operating table, you can choose your character's gender and name, and preview your character's adult appearance by way of the Vault's computer system...then become dimly aware that something has gone terribly wrong with your mother during the childbirth.

You then jump forward a year later to the age of toddler, where you use a basic movement tutorial to crawl out of your playpen and access the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. book--a book that lets you choose your character's abilities by way of the classic attribute system from the Fallout games (strength, perception, endurance, charisma, intelligence, agility, and luck). You then jump ahead nine years to your tenth birthday, at which point you gain the ability to speak with other characters (such as the other children at your birthday party) and use the PipBoy 3000 portable wrist computer, which is given to you by the vault's "overseer," or head administrator. The PipBoy acts as a journal, status indicator, and quest log that will help you keep track of any tasks you need to perform. You'll even get to take on a few rudimentary quests at your party, or just watch the many-armed robot of the future, Mr. Handy, mangle your birthday cake with one of its buzzsaw-arm extensions. Later, you'll be whisked away to additional tutorial areas, such as a target range that will let you practice the game's real-time first-person shooter combat.


We then skipped ahead to a few different areas in the main game, including a random encounter that all players will bump into. In a sprawling junkyard scene, two desert raiders have assaulted and killed a nameless man, leaving his feisty canine companion to fend for himself. The dog is none other than Fallout's Dogmeat, the swift-moving, loyal, pugnacious pooch from the original 1997 game. After disposing of the raiders yourself, you can invite Dogmeat to join you, and from then on, although you can't have any meaningful conversations with him or have him carry a ton of inventory, you can give him plenty of orders, such as having him go out and search for food, medicine, or even fallen weapons (if there are none nearby, Dogmeat will disappear for an hour or so of in-game time before returning). You can also praise or scold him--this won't affect his morale or loyalty, but it will reflect whether your character is naughty or nice--more on that later.

We then jumped ahead to a different sequence in which we were exploring a ruined tenement infested by feral ghouls. Those familiar with Fallout lore will remember that "ghoul" is just a term used to describe any human that has been exposed to such severe amounts of radiation as to become severely deformed physically, but feral ghouls have actually lost their minds and become aggressive animals, while their deadlier brethren, "glowing feral ghouls," have an unhealthy fluorescent green glow and will set off your PipBoy's Geiger counter--an eventually make your character extremely ill if you let them zap you with their radiation-based attacks. Feral ghouls are extremely swift and vicious and come leaping at you with tremendous speed. We dealt with them primarily using real-time combat, using the old Fallout favorite 9mm submachine gun, which did a good job of inflicting lots of damage when fired in bursts. A few times, we watched as combat was switched to the turn-based VATS mode, which lets you target various body parts on your enemies (as in the original Fallout games), and in these cases, the final shots to our enemies were delivered in dramatic slow motion, in some cases, turning the ghouls' limbs and skulls into bloody pulp (though we're told that the infamous Bloody Mess perk, which causes everyone around you to die spectacularly, looks even more insane in practice).

Finally, we jumped ahead to a highly advanced area just outside the capitol building, where the once-splendid square had been transformed into a massive warzone, complete with a network of World War I-style trenches dug throughout the streets. In this sequence, we watched a powerful character wearing power armor (the signature armor of the Brotherhood of Steel--the technically advanced faction of "knights" that attempt to keep the threat of mutants at bay) and wielding several powerful firearms go after an army of wandering super mutants. We went after these powerful brutes with a minigun, then switched to the Fat Man grenade launcher to flush out a few entrenched super mutants who blasted us with rocket launchers. In several cases, we were rushed by our enemies in the trenches and had several harrowing experiences in real-time combat where our minigun's clip emptied out just as we were cleared to fire back, and coupled with the weapon's startup delay on the weapon's, put us back in the line of fire at that very moment.


The game itself is currently still in an alpha state of development--content is still being added and taken away. According to a Bethesda representative, the primary game is shaping up to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 hours of gameplay, though it will offer dozens of hours of other stuff to do for players who enjoy exploring side quests and other types of content--for instance, you'll find multiple outcomes available to different quests as you side with different factions, and you may also receive random quests as you pick up communiqués on your PipBoy, such as distress calls or new missions to perform.

In any case, the developer is focusing on having a clean interface that isn't cluttered with an overwhelming amount of information--various menus, such as your inventory and your character's current health levels (you can sustain crippling injuries to various parts of your body that may affect your weapon skills or your ability to run) will be kept separate, rather than kept on one crowded screen. While the game will still handle dialogue with other characters with a multiple-choice dialogue screen of the kind you've seen in games like Oblivion, Mass Effect, and Knights of the Old Republic, you'll receive most of your alerts, such as new quests, as brief text messages that fade away, similar to friends notifications on Xbox Live--the idea is to avoid having too many jarring messages that have to be individually clicked on and closed down to get back to the action.

In fact, the Xbox 360 version of the game (and the PC version of the game, which is being planned to include Games for Windows Live Functionality) will have achievement points that will require you to play through more than once. Like in the previous games, you'll have a "karma" statistic that goes up when you perform good deeds and goes down when you perform "evil" ones--achievements will be given for completing the game with both a high karma, and a low karma. Though we've only had a few chances to see the game, Fallout 3 looks very impressive, seems to be shaping up to be what the Bethesda team has set out to make--a role-playing game with the exploration and real-time combat of Oblivion but the role-playing elements of the classic Fallout from 1997. The game is scheduled for release on the PC, the Xbox 360, and the PS3 later this year.

PHB

I'm extremely disappointed they have made it first person. There's a reason its a cult classic, and imo its because of the top down perspective that adds a different feel to the game.

They should do what Black Isle are doing (or whatever they are called these days) and try to merge the two, giving the gamer a choice of what to do.

For me, this won't be Fallout, it'll just be a different version of Oblivian with a fallout tint to it, in order to make it more sellable.

steviec

PHB wrote: »

I'm extremely disappointed they have made it first person. There's a reason its a cult classic, and imo its because of the top down perspective that adds a different feel to the game.

The top down perspective which was just like 90% of other games at the time.

The perspective had nothing to do with the game being a cult classic - the choices and gameplay did.

I'm not saying Bethesda are going to do a great job with it, because I don't know. But there's no point being so stubborn about something like viewpoint when there's so many more important things to consider.

KoKane

At first I was upset at the whole 3d aspect of it... but when you think about it, you are going to be really sucked into the world a million times than before...

Kiith

I am delighted that it is first person. Top down perspective was the norm, and i loved it for older games, but it doesnt really suit games as much today. Theres nothing worse then a crappy camera system in an RPG (I'm looking at you Neverwinter Nights 2). Oblivion showed that you can do a great RPG system in first person.

As someone who never got into fallout, i'm not as excited as a lot of you will be, but those screens look pretty amazing. They better keep the same tone as the other games though, as the first two sounded pretty in depth.

Gizzle

PHB wrote: »

There's a reason its a cult classic

For me, this won't be Fallout, it'll just be a different version of Oblivian with a fallout tint to it, in order to make it more sellable.

Fallout = Cult Classic

Give Oblivion a "Fallout tint" to up sales?

I think personally for Fallout 3 to be in first person is just a natural evolution. People bitched about Metroid when it went from side scroller to FPA in the "Prime" iteration, but then they played it, and it all clicked.

Quit livin' in the past man!

Oh, and Vault Boy bobblehead ftw...

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/866/866028p1.html

Krieg

As long as they keep the dark humour, im sold.
Just noticed this gem while playing fallout:tactics a couple of weeks ago





(OT: KoKane, I was just looking at your sig and was curious about the e-sports site, but when typing the URL I accidently typed a 'C' instead of the 'P'. Ended up in an entirely different site )

KoKane

Asbad wrote: »

As long as they keep the dark humour, im sold.
Just noticed this gem while playing fallout:tactics a couple of weeks ago





(OT: KoKane, I was just looking at your sig and was curious about the e-sports site, but when typing the URL I accidently typed a 'C' instead of the 'P'. Ended up in an entirely different site )

Escorts LOL. Thats my other clan
Was playing Tactics the other day ha.

Yeah dont mind the website atm. Soon to undergow a lot of changes.
Currently, you wouldnt even know there was an Xbox side of things. Even I'm not on the member list and have been there from the creation of the clan, lol.

ShiverinEskimo

I'm really lookin forward to this. If it is a futuristic Oblivion then I'm not worried because Oblivion was amazing IMO. Knowing Bethesda though it'll be immense.

thelordofcheese

Thats exactly why i'm apprehensive, as one of the people who didn't like Oblivion, the idea of Oblivion with guns parading about the place wearing the skin of the fallout franchise fills me with dread.
Dread and rage

DirkVoodoo

God, you know you're getting old when articles start with "more than 10 years ago..."

Loved fallout, really the only RPG aside from Diablo and Oblivion on the PC that I hold dearly in my collection.

I was having a great romp in fallout 2 until a bug made my party invisible, and I had no backup save, so unfortunately my stint in Reno was cut short and I never went back to it again.

I loved the detail, the open ended-ness, the brilliant humour. Can't wait for fallout 3. In fact, it's a case of wishing I had not heard about a game until it is already getting reviews. Now I can add fallout to my list of "games that I really want to play but won't be out for a very, very long time"....along with starcraft 2.

rejkin

man,i have had fallout2 for ages on my laptop and never bothered to play it,should really try it soon

KoKane

rejkin wrote: »

man,i have had fallout2 for ages on my laptop and never bothered to play it,should really try it soon

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

HereticPrincess

I knew there would be a Fallout 3 thread somewhere
Looking forward to this so much!
Going to work with sore eyes will be so worth it!

Maximilian

There's a preview here by Kieron Gillen on Eurogamer

On the one hand I'm still really looking forward to it. eg.

...any game which starts you between your mother's legs, looking up at your dad, and being able to bawl by pressing a button deserves a round of applause.

He didn't seem to be very enthusiastic about the combat. He thinks its sort of jack-of-all-trades. Bit worrying?

Cullilingus

Fallout was never about the combat though, was it? In fact, at times it was god awful. Yet it managed to become a classic.

Maximilian

I think it was a big part of it. they even expanded it into tun-based strategy game with Fallout:Tactics. Oh well, at least the ultra-violence will still be there.

pixelburp

The more I read about this game, the more I want to play it.

Cullilingus

Maximilian wrote: »

I think it was a big part of it. they even expanded it into tun-based strategy game with Fallout:Tactics. Oh well, at least the ultra-violence will still be there.

Yeah, but it wasnt what made it popular. Waiting for 20 rats to take their turn was headwrecking, and nothing was more frustrating then almost finishing a fight, only to have one of your teammates riddle you full of holes with a minigun to the back of the head :mad:

Maximilian

Cullilingus wrote: »

Yeah, but it wasnt what made it popular. Waiting for 20 rats to take their turn was headwrecking, and nothing was more frustrating then almost finishing a fight, only to have one of your teammates riddle you full of holes with a minigun to the back of the head :mad:

Noob

ShiverinEskimo

Just been keeping an eye on this on Eurogamer here and here and these's previews don't bode well for the outcome. Finding a lot of faults that are unlikely to be fixed unless they opt for an overhaul of the textures.

thelordofcheese

Cullilingus wrote: »

Yeah, but it wasnt what made it popular. Waiting for 20 rats to take their turn was headwrecking, and nothing was more frustrating then almost finishing a fight, only to have one of your teammates riddle you full of holes with a minigun to the back of the head :mad:

Don't give Vic an SMG, ever.

Trippie

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Don't give Vic and SMG, ever.

it was the only way to go

Sarky

I really want Fallout 3 to be good, really. The previous games were amazing, they had a depth to them that puts other games to shame even now.

I'm not sold on it though. The previews suggest it's a lot less "complicated" than the other games. There's a worrying voice at the back of my head screaming that it'll be to "Fallout" as Oblivion was to Morrowind- Undeniably prettier, but dead inside.

thelordofcheese

I'm expecting to be disapointed by it.
Everytime i see the combat system i cringe.
Now, if it turns out to be better than jesus and mohammed combined then great, but if not... well at least i was right.

ShiverinEskimo

Haha - leaving yourself wide open for crticism there lord.

thelordofcheese

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Haha - leaving yourself wide open for crticism there lord.

Wouldn't be the first time

Calhoun

just picked up http://www.amazon.co.uk/Avanquest-Software-Fallout-Collection-DVD/dp/B000FUD16A/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1218574529&sr=8-7

after reading this thread, you guys convinced me :P

mawk

Trippie wrote: »

it was the only way to go

nah, he was bad assed with a gauss rifle!

who you dont want to have a smg is sulik

quarryman

Darkener wrote: »

just picked up http://www.amazon.co.uk/Avanquest-Software-Fallout-Collection-DVD/dp/B000FUD16A/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1218574529&sr=8-7

after reading this thread, you guys convinced me :P

i bought that myself recently. Managed an hour into before i put it back in the box, probably never to play it again. I know its a classic (i played it before when it first came out) but hasn't aged great and can be a chore to play now.

Calhoun

quarryman wrote: »

i bought that myself recently. Managed an hour into before i put it back in the box, probably never to play it again. I know its a classic (i played it before when it first came out) but hasn't aged great and can be a chore to play now.

ahh its worth a luck if anything, sometimes the story makes up for the bad graphics ect.

Id point to FFVII on that one graphics are out dated ect now but i still play it

thelordofcheese

mawk wrote: »

nah, he was bad assed with a gauss rifle!

who you dont want to have a smg is sulik

We an' I be glad ta answer...

Giving Sulik a SMG wasn't too bad, just go to the combat options and tell him only to burst if he's really, REALLY sure he won't hit anyone on the team.

However giving Sulik a super-sledge and some combat armour made him death incarnate.

DarkJager

Was I the only one who locked Vic in the Slavers den and came back every so often to kneecap him??

uberpixie

DarkJager wrote: »

Was I the only one who locked Vic in the Slavers den and came back every so often to kneecap him??

You sick f uck nicely done :-)

Like many others I have started playing fallout2 again.

I decided to only go unarmed combat this time and skip guns altogether. Suprisingly it is working out well, I just got power armour and I am in the military base.

Just spent ages slowly kicking 4 super mutants to death as due to the jinxed perk, I kept having critical failures in combat i.e. 2 crippled arms and a damaged eye. Couldn't use the power fist so had to resort to kicks. Won in the end!

I love fallout.