What happened there?

mountainyman

Hi,

I'm just wondering if there has been a conscious shift in policy on the AH board?

I was banned for the below post:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-2054986346.html

Now the post may have been ill advised, islamophopic, moronic, muppetesque and tardlike or strongly tardlike but it is as nothing compared to pretty much any comment about Roma people currently on AH.

Has there been a policy change or are Roma regarded as people about whom one can say pretty much anything?

MM

Fysh

I couldn't say for certain, not being an AH mod, but I personally can't see "they let other people be discriminating and inflammatory about other races" being accepted as a valid reason for unbanning you or reinstating your access (if it hasn't been already).

Other people being racist is not an excuse for you to be, any more so than other people breaking the law doesn't give you free reign to follow suit without consequences.

mountainyman

Fysh wrote:

Other people being racist is not an excuse for you to be, any more so than other people breaking the law doesn't give you free reign to follow suit without consequences.

I fully accept that. My own discussion post is inappropriate. I am often quite tongue in cheek in ordinary non internet based conversation, but I might well have qualified what I wrote there had I said it in the ordinary way (not on the Internet). Had I done that in the discussion post above I probably wouldn't have been banned. Of course on the internet you have a few minutes at work, you post something (I think the above was before work) and then it is there in black and grey. If you post in haste and say something offensive and stupid you are ostracised (appropriately).

This is more of a plea to the moderators not to allow fairly random attacks on the Roma to become the norm.

MM

the1andonly1

EDIT: I cant read

Fysh

mountainyman wrote:

This is more of a plea to the moderators not to allow fairly random attacks on the Roma to become the norm.

The best thing way you can help with this is to make extensive use of the "report post" button - AH is heavily moderated but gets a hell of a lot of traffic, so I'd imagine it's daunting enough to keep up with the reported content, without then having to worry if there's more offensive material slipping under the radar unreported.

Terry

In your thread you called for the closure of an islamic school.
There are plenty of schools in this country which are based around one religion or another.

In the threads on the Roma people camping on the m50, people are calling for their deportation because they are here merely to freeload.
Those in islamic schools are hardly here freeloading. They are being educated and will then get jobs and add to the economy.

It is a dodgy subject and the threads are being monitored closely.
As Fysh said, use the report post function if you feel aggrieved.

popebenny16

I think the reason for the ban might be that this school is the same as any catholic school - it odnt mean it is an extremist school like the ones they are concerned about in the UK. Maybe the O/P mixed the two up.

In any event, why didnt you PM the Mod there (wasnt it Terry) and chat to him about it? However, I like feedback threads like these as it shows the reasoning behind band and deletions without all the cats.

_feedback_

popebenny16 wrote:

I think the reason for the ban might be that this school is the same as any catholic school - it odnt mean it is an extremist school like the ones they are concerned about in the UK. Maybe the O/P mixed the two up.

In any event, why didnt you PM the Mod there (wasnt it Terry) and chat to him about it? However, I like feedback threads like these as it shows the reasoning behind band and deletions without all the cats.

I don't think the OP is questioning his/her ban your holiness... he/she is just comparing both and wondering why the current thread isn't leading to similar bannings... Terry seems to have answered it 100%

Hobbes

Had avoided AH for some time (because nothing of note in it for a while). Recently back and it has turned into what can be best described as SF-lite.

Sad thing is some of the threads start off well and totally derail into SF type posts. For example the "Balloon to a girl scam" thread.

I do kind of agree with MM.

Terry

I haven't really been around much the past few months.
Would you care to expand on your comments Hobbes?

A few links perhaps.

EDIT: That came across as a bit smart arsed.
Not my intention.
I'm genuinely curious as to what you are talking about.

Hobbes

Terry wrote:

EDIT: That came across as a bit smart arsed.
Not my intention.
I'm genuinely curious as to what you are talking about.

It wasn't my intention either. In fairness to the Mods you do catch the obvious ones.

I don't have the link but someone was venting about some moron giving his young daughter a balloon then taking it back when they couldn't extract 5 euros off them. McD came to the rescue and gave her a balloon to stop her crying. That degenerated into Roma bashing, with a bit of Romanian bashing sprinkled in.

The Terrorist threat thread started off well but has now degenerated into anti-Muslim SF type crap.

Other threads seem to be anti-something. From trans-genders to fat women.

Just doesn't make for interesting reading as a forum. Kind of why I unsubb'ed from it a while back. Shame I can't hook a feedreader to auto filter the crap.

Kintarō Hattori

mountainyman wrote:

I was banned for the below post:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-2054986346.html

Now the post may have been ill advised, islamophopic, moronic, muppetesque and tardlike or strongly tardlike but it is as nothing compared to pretty much any comment about Roma people currently on AH.

mountainyman wrote:

There is an Islamic school in Clonskeagh in Dublin. It should be closed at once.
Anyone sending their kids to such a school is a religious nutter
The parents have immigrated to Ireland and the kids have to assimilate
Anything could be going on
How can one lobby to hav esuch a school closed.

I'm surprised you really had to ask the question MM. It's a shocking post and I'm not surprised you were banned for it.

Kintarō Hattori

Double Post - Apologies. Boards seems to be acting up.

mountainyman

I wasn't contesting the ban (which was a year ago) and I don't see how that could be inferred from what I wrote above.

Just find the anti Gypsy threads annoying.

MM

mountainyman

I don't think it is appropriate to discuss the merits of the post which incurred the banning given that it would be inappropriate for me to defend it on Feedback.
Neither it is appropraite to discuss the merits and demerits of the Islamic school Clonskeagh, Islamic schooling in general, the traditionally Christian nature of Irish society, the rise of Islamophobia in Europe, the RIRB etc etc
My question is simple 'are Gypsies a special category who can be attacked in the vilest terms?' .

MM

OTK

moral compass:
Say what you like about the Roma, just don't criticise MCD.

Terry

I banned someone a couple of hours ago from the terrorist thread for an anti-muslim rant. It was well deserved too.

There were a couple of ridiculous posts made about fat women, but nothing beyond the usual AH crap and mainly from someone who has been treading a thin line with several mods for quite a while now. Same goes for the transgender one.

The balloon thread was obviously there while I was away and is buried now.
Should it resurface, I will take appropriate action.

mountainyman wrote:

My question is simple 'are Gypsies a special category who can be attacked in the vilest terms?' .

Firstly, I agree with you that this is not the place to discuss your previous ban.
That's done and over with.

To answer your question (from my perspective anyway), I feel that this particular group of Roma are merely chancers and I feel quite dubious about their motive re: the place they chose to camp.
Most of the posts in this thread are of the same opinion.
There have been one or two that crossed a line and I will be watching it very closely, as I'm sure the other AH mods will.
I cannot speak for the other AH mods. They may feel differently to me on this subject and may take action where I wouldn't.
Again, the report post button is your friend.


OTK, apples and oranges.

I'll be quite happy to answer any other questions.

Franz Ferdinand

I've got one.

Where do you derive the moral authority to judge others as 'racist', while simultaneously making a blatantly racist remark against Roma people?

This whole racist cat-calling thing is just a handy excuse to ban anyone who gets the better of you in debate, or doesn't share your own narrow minded world-view.

It was me you banned from the After Hours thread on this flimsy excuse (racism) - simply because I called for integration in education. :rolleyes:

Banning religious schools has nothing to do with racism - in fact it is exactly the polar opposite, because it is intended to STOP racism. To STOP muslim children from being indoctrinated into the truly racist outlook of sectarian Islamist teaching.

Why do you consider it 'racist' to require muslim children to mix with Irish children in school?

Your reaction was knee-jerk, and poorly thought out. You jumped at the chance to shut down opposition opinion. Apparently having an opinion is against the rules - I'm hoping for a link to that rule by the way.

Stark

Franz Ferdinald wrote:

Where do you derive the moral authority to judge others as 'racist', while simultaneously making a blatantly racist remark against Roma people?

Point out Terry's racist remark because I don't see any in this thread.

Terry

Stark, I believe h was referring to the Roma threads in AH.
Link.
Decide for yourself.

Franz Ferdinand, your comment in that thread did not call for the closing of all religious schools.
link

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

1) Ban muslim religious schools. We have to force integration on immigrants if necessary.

This was the straw that broke the camels back.

You will notice in the reply to the PM I just sent that I did not call you racist.
I called your remarks racist.

stovelid

Hobbes wrote:

Had avoided AH for some time (because nothing of note in it for a while). Recently back and it has turned into what can be best described as SF-lite.

I think a serious cull is needed in After Hours at the minute. I can't begin to think how hard it must be to mod.

BTW - what is SF Hobbes?

Terry

stovelid wrote:

I think a serious cull is needed in After Hours at the minute. I can't begin to think how hard it must be to mod.

BTW - what is SF Hobbes?

Ourselves alone.

Franz Ferdinand

Terry wrote:

You will notice in the reply to the PM I just sent that I did not call you racist.
I called your remarks racist.

Please explain how someone who is not Racist can make a racist remark? Can a person who makes racist remarks remain non-racist? You are pussyfooting. Why not just come out and say what you really mean?

Stark wrote:

Point out Terry's racist remark because I don't see any in this thread.

Terry identified a group of 'chancers' by their race. What possible relevance did their race have in commenting about the annoyance they seem to cause him? Their Race is totally and utterly irrelevant and beside the point.

Ergo - the comment is Racist.
And that would make Terry a Racist (by his own definition).

Stark

Franz Ferdinald wrote:

Terry identified a group of 'chancers' by their race. What possible relevance did their race have in commenting about the annoyance they seem to cause him? Their Race is totally and utterly irrelevant and beside the point.

I normally can't stand this emoticon, but since it's a special occasion:

:rolleyes:

Seriously, your argument is about as valid as "You're a racist if you call a black person an asshole".

nesf

Hobbes wrote:

It wasn't my intention either. In fairness to the Mods you do catch the obvious ones.

We are but a paper shield against an inferno tbh.


Define "SF type posts". All (normal) people see as representatives are Roma begging on the street, that will naturally colour people's viewpoints. I'm not going to ban people for saying deport the ones that beg or ones that complain about Roma who beg, those are reasonable enough viewpoints. It's people calling for violence etc that are the problem and we remove all of those we find.

nesf

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

Please explain how someone who is not Racist can make a racist remark?

Because it could be scripted, it could be a lie or could be designed to incite anger in others while not actually being a belief of the person saying it etc.

nesf

stovelid wrote:

BTW - what is SF Hobbes?

Stormfront. It's a neo-nazi forum site essentially. It makes AH look like a gathering of the Residents against Racism hardcores.

tallaght01

mountainyman wrote:

I fully accept that. My own discussion post is inappropriate. I am often quite tongue in cheek in ordinary non internet based conversation, but I might well have qualified what I wrote there had I said it in the ordinary way (not on the Internet). Had I done that in the discussion post above I probably wouldn't have been banned. Of course on the internet you have a few minutes at work, you post something (I think the above was before work) and then it is there in black and grey. If you post in haste and say something offensive and stupid you are ostracised (appropriately).

This is more of a plea to the moderators not to allow fairly random attacks on the Roma to become the norm.

MM

I sympathise with you MM. Moderators on an internet forum are unlikely to have the skills neccesary to facilitate conversation where there's a fine line between racism and having a somewhat controversial viewpoint.
Therefore, the easiest thing for them to do is to lock threads and ban people. I think most people agree that too many people get banned and too many threads get locked, particularly in AH.
BUT, (and no offence intended to any individuals) moderators are not picked for those skills. They're people who've been on boards for ages. It takes a particular type of person to understand and tolerate an array of viewpoints, regardless of how unpalatable we may find them.
That's fine. Boards isn't some kind of influential think-tank. It's not a university. It's a place where a particular demographic spend a lot of time, and most of the content is harmless, benign and light-hearted.
What i'm really getting at is that you're never going to get the type of open and totally honest debate here that you wil get outside the internet.
That's not a criticism. I enjoy boards for what I use it for...somewhere to discuss the odd medical issue.
But if you want real debate, host a dinner party or something :P

Stark

tallaght01 wrote:

I sympathise with you MM. Moderators on an internet forum are unlikely to have the skills neccesary to facilitate conversation where there's a fine line between racism and having a somewhat controversial viewpoint.

I position myself firmly on the side against the "boy who cried racism" people. But I have to say that anyone with intelligence greater than that of a gnat could see mountainyman's post for what it was.

nesf

tallaght01 wrote:

I think most people agree that too many people get banned and too many threads get locked, particularly in AH.

Out of interest, how many people do you think I've banned in the last month?

tallaght01

nesf wrote:

Out of interest, how many people do you think I've banned in the last month?

Your personal ban-rate is probably the last statistic I will ever feel compelled to research. However, the amount of locked posts is a bit of a wind-up. It's one of the reasons I rarely use the forum any more. Though I'm sure many ppl would regard that as a positive step :P

PS, the fact that we are having this discussion does pretty much illustrate that A) the most insignificant parts of what people post get the most attention and This is not the epicentre for fine debate that the OP is looking for

nesf

tallaght01 wrote:

Your personal ban-rate is probably the last statistic I will ever feel compelled to research. However, the amount of locked posts is a bit of a wind-up. It's one of the reasons I rarely use the forum any more. Though I'm sure many ppl would regard that as a positive step :P

PS, the fact that we are having this discussion does pretty much illustrate that A) the most insignificant parts of what people post get the most attention and This is not the epicentre for fine debate that the OP is looking for

No, it was just the bannings comment that it truly false. We (contrary to popular belief) don't ban a lot of people from AH relative to the amount of traffic it gets. The rest of your post I'll give a more structured reply to after I've had my cup of tea.

Franz Ferdinand

Stark wrote:

Seriously, your argument is about as valid as "You're a racist if you call a black person an asshole".

You would be if you called him a 'black asshole' which is in fact what Terry did. I'm surprised you still don't get the subtleties here.
Or maybe I'm not that surprised.......I would expect weak minded moderators to always back each other up, even in the face of blatant hypocrisy.

"Black Assholes" = Racism
"Roma Assholes" = Racism

Do you get it yet?

Karoma

nesf wrote:

Out of interest, how many people do you think I've banned in the last month?

Oh! Oh! ME! ME! ASK ME! A brazilian?!


I'm with Hobbes on this one - AH is just thread-inspired thread after another and usually anti-<insert minority>

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed cull AH as I'd like to because:
i) It has always been a place where one can hold pub-chat-like discourse - which, in my sad experience, usually contains some element of over-simplifying and/or racism.
ii) Nobody really wants Feedback filled with AH morons whining.
iii) I'm not a moral compass. I'll deal with the out-and-out racist remarks, repeat racist-thread-starters. Reported posts do make a big difference - please use the function.
iv) In terms of Roma specifically, I'm letting a lot of crap slide because of anectdotal nature and 'fair comment' - same goes for members of the travelling community and others.

I was accused of being the PC Police before for banning retards (Oh dear! Did I..?I did..!) that overstepped the mark ... some people realy just cannot tell where the line is...mneh. I'll leave the rant for another time.

Bottom line: There are a number of muppets on the radar as it is and they will be dealt with if they continue. Please use the report posts function - we do read them and we will act on them, if not immediately. We are trying to be as fair as possible to as many people as possible(If I'm given the nod, I'll happily cull.)


mountainyman: you've come a long way, babeé.

Terry

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

You would be if you called him a 'black asshole' which is in fact what Terry did. I'm surprised you still don't get the subtleties here.
Or maybe I'm not that surprised.......I would expect weak minded moderators to always back each other up, even in the face of blatant hypocrisy.

"Black Assholes" = Racism
"Roma Assholes" = Racism

Do you get it yet?

Want to point out where I was blatantly racist?

Did I at any point use the term "Roma assholes", and if so, where did I use it?
The thread is here.

How you do not see this:

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

1) Ban muslim religious schools. We have to force integration on immigrants if necessary.

as racist is beyond me.

Regarding Stark's comment.
Calling a black person an asshole is not racist if they are an asshole.
Calling them a "black asshole" is.
Do you see the difference?

Calling for the dismantlement of all muslim schools on the grounds that they breed terrorists is racist.
You implied in your last two posts in AH that all muslims are terrorists in your last two posts in AH.
Here and Here.


I don't even know why I'm arguing this point any more when the "close all muslim schools" remark you made pretty much sums up the whole arguement.

Franz Ferdinand

You're really losing the plot now Terry.

Terry wrote:

Want to point out where I was blatantly racist?

Um...I just did. Must I explain it again?
You used a derogatory term ('chancers') and directed it at a group of people whose race you specifically defined (Roma).

Using a derogatory term about a racial group is RACISM in anybodys book Terry.
QED.

How you do not see this:

1) Ban muslim religious schools. We have to force integration on immigrants if necessary.

as racist is beyond me.

Well for starters Terry, which RACE did I target with that comment?
Looking forward to your answer.

Calling for the dismantlement of all muslim schools on the grounds that they breed terrorists is racist.

No its not Terry, because RACISM refers (as is self evident) to RACE, not religion. Ergo YOU are a RACIST and I am not.

You implied in your last two posts in AH that all muslims are terrorists in your last two posts in AH.

Here and Here.

Well Tery, since you banned me from the thread I cannot actually see what you've linked to there. It could be the BNP homepage. So please clarify yourself by posting stuff in the page if you don't mind - we wouldn't want any confusion, would we.

I don't even know why I'm arguing this point any more when the "close all muslim schools" remark you made pretty much sums up the whole arguement.

Terry, I don't know if you've been keeping up with world affairs much, but just a few days ago the Pakistani Government 'closed' a few muslim 'schools' - and in a far less gentle manner than I would wish.
Now, are the Pakistani Government all 'racists' too?
Considering they are probably all (a) muslims, and (b) Pakistani - this must present you with an awful dilemma! What label can you plaster them with?
I'm sure you'll think of something.

Terry

Sorry.
Change "racist" to "Bigoted".

From there:
Yes, the Pakistani government closed a couple of schools because they were muslim.
It was just that simple.
Link
Of course, this had a huge effect on things happening here.

As for the AH links, you can log out and then view them or exchange the "www" for "muppet".

Hobbes

nesf wrote:

I'm not going to ban people for saying deport the ones that beg or ones that complain about Roma who beg,

Which is why I said SF-lite. Yea its not a problem. It becomes a problem when most threads start to gravitate to that type of comment over and over.

I mean how many times does the same person have to keep saying deport Romas in various threads?

Roma is just the Flavor of the month.

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

No its not Terry, because RACISM refers (as is self evident) to RACE, not religion. Ergo YOU are a RACIST and I am not.

Actually it doesn't always refer to race. Can also refer to "beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed race".

Franz as an example is atypical of your normal bigot poster. - First post some crap without any evidence to back it up.
- When questioned attacks the poster either with strawman or ad hominen.
- Refuses to back up comments but continuing to berate other users.
- When stuff is posted to refute persons comments it is ignored and whole process starts again.

The issue isn't this poster, it is when other people believe without doing the research either.

Thats why we have stupid stories like free prams/cars/jobs/houses for [insert demographic].

mountainyman

I am appealling for more aggressive banning not complaining about my own banning which I did not object to then and do not object to now.

MM

Terry

Sorry, I missed this last night.



No.
I called that specific group of people 'chancers'.
Nowhere in any of my posts did I infer that all Roma are chancers.

mountainyman wrote:

I am appealling for more aggressive banning not complaining about my own banning which I did not object to then and do not object to now.

Again, I'll direct your attention to the report post function.

Bans are not handed out lightly and are dealt with on a case by case basis.
I'm not saying favouritism is employed. Quite the opposite in fact.
Regular users are often given a longer ban on the basis that they should know better.

Franz Ferdinand

Sorry.Change "racist" to "Bigoted".

Yes Terry, you got it wrong. :eek:
Nice of you to admit your error.

But you see Terry, it ain't that simple.
What you said is demonstably libellous. You've admitted it and attempted to retract it - in a rather unsatisfactory manner.

So, you now admit you used incorrect language when accusing me, and that I am not in fact a Racist at all?
Apology not accepted old boy!

It's rather a 'big thing' when you make these kind of accusations Terry, not something just to be swept aside as 'a mistake'.

Should I sue you personally, or the boards owners? (I'm deadly serious, I assure you!)

When you make such serious and damaging allegations I would suggest you should actually know what you are talking about, and can stand over the allegation. You should, patently, at least understand the definition of the term you are using if you wish to sling mud in that manner.

You clearly demonstrated you don't understand the meaning of the word 'Racism' - and you've had to switch to the term 'Bigot' now - (more on that anon).

No wonder you don't see the racism in your own comments about the Roma Terry.You clearly don't know what the term means - yet you use it liberally and incorrectly to tar anyone who disagrees with you.

So which of the above is it Terry? Are you simply ignorant of language, or were you in fact being intentionally vindictive in your desire to ban me?

You built a case for banning me around what you now admit is 'an error'.
I would suggest you rectify your error by unbanning me immediately.
I'm offerring you a face saving compromise here.

Regarding your latest slur - Bigotry.
My goodness, you do have a nasty tongue!

I already asserted that I am an Atheist.
I find it difficult to see how an Atheist can be a Bigot - since my dissaproval of religion is not reserved for any one religion, but for all of them. With the possible exception of Buddhism.

Thus, to be Bigotted I would probably have to carry a spiteful prejudice against over 50% of the population. Is that really credible Terry? That you truly imagine I go around hating half the population because they believe in God and I don't?

You still haven't dealt with the issue of your own racist comments about those 'Roma chancers' as you called them.
What is the word for someone who invents faults in everyone else, but denies their own errors?

Its just my opinion Terry - that God does not exist.
I'm no more bigotted than you are racist.

From there:
Yes, the Pakistani government closed a couple of schools because they were muslim.
It was just that simple.
Link
Of course, this had a huge effect on things happening here.

It was 'that simple' Terry? What huge effect did it have here?
Then whats your problem with it?

Why are you against the integration of muslim kids into Irish society Terry? Why do you advocate religious apartheid in the Irish education system?

As for the AH links, you can log out and then view them or exchange the "www" for "muppet".

Well, I do believe that was a gratuitous insult toward me Terry! You just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper!

I can tell this is all getting too stressful for you.

But its really a bad example to set as a Moderator.

Don't the rules say something about abusive language in postings? I'm sure they do!

Maybe you should report/censor yourself Terry.

In fact Terry - maybe you are unfit to be a moderator, and should just resign.

MooseJam

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

Well, I do believe that was a gratuitous insult toward me Terry! You just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper!

muppet.boards.ie is actually a genuine link, he wasn't trying to insult you

Franz Ferdinand

MooseJam wrote:

muppet.boards.ie is actually a genuine link, he wasn't trying to insult you

Since I've never posted anything on that forum, perhaps you could explain what relevance my visiting it might have to this discussion?
And yes - he WAS trying to insult me - and continues to do so.
I think I deserve an apology.

tbh

that forum is this forum, just a different way of getting there. That's how it's releva....oh. never mind. See you in a month.

MooseJam

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

Since I've never posted anything on that forum, perhaps you could explain what relevance my visiting it might have to this discussion?
And yes - he WAS trying to insult me - and continues to do so.
I think I deserve an apology.

its the same forum if you click on the link you will see that, he was pointing out a method you could use to read the forum as you are currently banned, it just happens to be called muppet, it was called muppet before you came here and it will still be called muppet after you leave

joseph brand

http://nigeldickinson.com/gallery/slovakiaroma

Link contains some lovely photos of Roma people in Slovakia. The Slovakians love the Roma people, and think they are 'Friendly'.

Terry

Thank you, Ruu.

Victor

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

Regarding your latest slur - Bigotry.
My goodness, you do have a nasty tongue!

I already asserted that I am an Atheist.
I find it difficult to see how an Atheist can be a Bigot - since my dissaproval of religion is not reserved for any one religion, but for all of them. With the possible exception of Buddhism.

You are a bigot. Pick an option.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot

big·ot –noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

big·ot One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

bigot noun a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

bigot A person who is religiously attached to a particular computer, language, operating system, editor, or other tool (see religious issues).

Terry

I searched both Roma threads and the word "Chancers" does not appear in either of them.

I think this subject is probably best left alone now anyway.
Ban given, thread locked.

_blank_

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

Should I sue you personally, or the boards owners? (I'm deadly serious, I assure you!)

Threat of legal action?

Hmmmmm...nice knowing you bud.

tbh wrote:

that forum is this forum, just a different way of getting there.

So are

http://imrantingfornoreason.boards.ie

and

http://imbannedforever.boards.ie

tbh wrote:

That's how it's releva....oh. never mind. See you in a month.

Or never.

Franz Ferdinand wrote:

Since I've never posted anything on that forum, perhaps you could explain what relevance my visiting it might have to this discussion?And yes - he WAS trying to insult me - and continues to do so.
I think I deserve an apology.

I'm soooooooo sorrrrrry.

mike65

Franz as an example is atypical of your normal bigot poster. - First post some crap without any evidence to back it up.
- When questioned attacks the poster either with strawman or ad hominen.
- Refuses to back up comments but continuing to berate other users.
- When stuff is posted to refute persons comments it is ignored and whole process starts again.

I think you must have meant to to type a typical, atypical is the opposite of course.

I still don't see what FF said to warrant the ban tbh. Sounding off in a bull-headed fashion is'nt a crime yet on AH is it?

Mike.