Ideal policitcal policy

Tchocky · 27-06-2007 1:39am

When the whole world has a problem with you....

Shadowless · 27-06-2007 1:51am

Mary Lou...Is that you?

Sam Vimes · 27-06-2007 2:16am

oneeyedsnake wrote:

Yes there are a number of canabinoid preparations available that use both synthetic THC and botanical extracts. It also used in the States, Mexico, and Spain. Heroin is used as a pain killer in late stage cancer patients, amphetamine is used an appetite suppressant, cocaine is used by dentists as a local anesthetic, and the list goes on and on. I Don’t understand your point though, of course some class a, b and c drugs have clinical uses, so what? That doesn’t automatically mean is okay for every to dick and Harry can self administer the street grade junk as they feel appropriate.

but i thought they made people suicidal after one dose! i thought they were so bad for you that people should be threatened with death for trying them!

why would doctors prescribe such dangerous chemicals? or maybe its that they're not as dangerous as you claim they are with your wide ranging experience of them

DarkJager · 27-06-2007 8:09am

No I'm afraid I'm correct.Ipomea viloacea seeds contain a lysergic acid derivative in the seeds (ergine),when the seeds are ground up and eaten they have LSD like effects. In one documented case after one dose the user experienced persistent psychosis which lead to his suicide

Great example there, because Ipomea Vilocea seeds are so common in Ireland you ****wit. Read the below as well for a bit more information on them

The seeds of many species of morning glory contain d-lysergic acid amide, ergoline alkaloids better known as LSA. Seeds of I. tricolor and I. corymbosa (syn. R. corymbosa) are used as hallucinogens. They are about 5% to 10% as potent as LSD, and produce a similar effect when taken in the hundreds

Now if these seeds are 5 to 10 percent as potent as LSD, then you'd have to be mentally deranged in the first place to kill yourself after taking them. LSD is highly potent and you would not experience anywhere near the effects of it with these, unless you took about 300/400 of them.

of course some class a, b and c drugs have clinical uses, so what?

So what? You've just contradicted your own stance here kid. You'd send people to jail for 20 years for a drug which has clinical uses?? You sir, to put it bluntly, are a ****ing hypocrite.

I'm not going to argue any further with you, because you obviously do not have a clue what you are talking about. You can google all you want and post it here to make it seem like you have some idea about drugs, but the fact is you know **** all. When you get out of college, I suggest you lock yourself away in your nice mansion and never come back out. That way you won't have to deal with reality and can forever remain in your dream land of non immigration, narcotic free society and a utopia where everybody gets along.

Your policies and your whole demeanour are that of a rich kid college student who has probably had everything handed to him on a plate, and who now decided he can see how the country should be run for all us "common" folk. No matter where you go in life, you're going to see all the problems you want to stamp out. So do yourself a favor. I want you to raise your hand, clench it into a fist, and then hit yourself repeatedly until you start to see some sense.

dermo88 · 27-06-2007 9:20am

oneeyedsnake

It appears that DarkJager and I are coming to similar conclusions. You are doing your research from google and wikipedia, but you clearly have no interaction with the people who have actually participated in taking those substances.

Drugs are good, drugs are bad, but they are in inescapable reality of life. They have been since a stone age man discovered the mixture of fruit, sugar, water and yeast, some 10,000 years ago or more. Since then, humanity has sought to control this by tolerance at one end of the spectrum, all the way to intolerance, as in Saudi Arabia today.

Sometime in April 2004, a dangerous social experiment began in Ireland. Many describe it as a revolutionary move. In 30 years time, when the pubs and off licences are closed, will people look at my words and say cigarettes and alcohol were bad, but at least we knew their effects. This will be because of the prohibition of legal substances will lead to their substitution by more chemically advanced products, such as LSD, MDMA, Cocaine and more.

The illegal substances will end up cheaper, as a venal, greedy exchequer runs out of income streams, for the benefit of the 'common good'. This has already happened in Norway and Sweden. Its happened in Saudi Arabia. Its happening in Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia. In Southern Europe, at least they have the rational approach of 'live and let live', and their way of life seems more relaxed. It does not justify smoking and drinking, but controls, besides pricing strategy are needed. How about having tobacco available in pharmacies during limited periods, by prescription at a lower price. The strategy needs to be Pan European, rather than national, to prevent excessive black marketeering. There are harm reduction strategies under implementation at the European level in relation to legal, soft and hard drugs.

Its happened in utopian societies such as Norway, where Norwegian alcoholics are paid 2,000 Euro per month to "dry out" in Thailand. Why....its cheaper for them to be in Thailand, and less of a burden on the Norwegian exchequer to have them in Thailand, drinking Thai whiskey for 2 Euro instead of Norwegian Akavit for 12 Euro.

No Government dares admit that an underground drug scene exists.

As for dealing with socio-economic policy, Ireland is now a wealthy country. First, the issue of Asylum seekers. Much of this is right wing scare mongering. But surely, as historical victims of oppression and hardship, the least we owed to fellow Europeans and the people of Bosnia-Herzogovina (for example) was to take our fair share of their people, and give them a chance to repair themselves, and contribute to our country, for themselves and for each other. It did not cost our exchequer a great deal of money compared to the costs of supporting many of our disabled and unemployable. In every society, there will always be those who struggle, and it is our collective responsibility to assist as best we can, however inadequate those supports are, or are perceived to be.

Immigration and Emigration has always been part and parcel of every nations history. A genetic analysis will show that. I only wish many in the BNP would look at that hard reality, or even trace their ancestry. It would reveal French, Spanish, Germanic, Semitic bloodlines. A trace going back 600 years would in fact show, that virtually everyone from Ireland, on this board is in some way related. A shocking truth, that many of us may not like to admit. Ireland is one of the very few countries in the world, where two groupings, with no external physical differences kicked the crap out of each other. That must never happen again, and tolerance of all is the way forward. That tolerance must be tempered with a sense of responsibility.

Tackling anti-social behaviour may, and I say this reluctantly through some form of National Military Service, or National Vocational Service. Its use would be to forge a sense of unity, and help youth at an uncertain stage, for not everyone has sense at 18. This is very important as we make the transition from being Paddys, Marys and Micks, to integrating the Paddys, Marys and Micks with the Wongs, the Abdullahs, the Abu Bakars, the Paddicescus, and the Mickoskis. When people are exposed to different people of different races, at an early age, bigotry and resentment are curtailed. Curtailed, but never eliminated, but the risks of that are significantly reduced.

oneeyedsnake. I commend you on an attempt to create a political policy in one paragraph. One man did not create a political policy. If you realised what created a political policy, you would be overwhelmed. Do not feel inadequate at that. We would ALL be overwhelmed. Its taken 90 years to get to this point in Ireland. Its taken hundreds of thousands of people at all levels of political, civil, legal, military and social administration to do that over the last 90 years.

A superiority complex and a perception of elitism was the mistake of Michael McDowell. While he is vilified as some right wing demagogue, he was one of those rarities in politicians who set out to do what was correct, as opposed to doing what was right. He will be remembered as the Kamikaze pilot who crashed and sank the pseudo fascist Sinn Fein Aircraft Carrier, and while I do not agree with him, he should be commended for that.

As we approach the centenary of the 1916 rising, may we look for reconciliation, tolerance, and respect. Its not quite what Connolly and Pearse had in mind, but I have a slight feeling, that if they came to Dublin, and saw the Ireland of today, they would not be disappointed compared to what they left behind.

In closing oneeyedsnake, please do put an effort into your grammar before posting. If you have the courtesy to make that effort in gaining a masters degree, then you owe it to yourself to do it on this board. If you don't, you leave yourself open to ridicule. If you don't, you will appear as an uneducated, uncouth thug. If you don't, you will not be taken seriously.

Take care, and good luck in your masters. I'll turn the heat down on you now, I've cooked you enough.

dermo88 · 03-07-2007 8:27pm

I have had a week to wait for a reply, but clearly oneeyedsnake you are too ignorant, or embarrassed to put your sad right wing skull in public again.

I quote

"I originally planned to write some pretty harsh comments about you dermo88 but have decided against as you are simply not worth the effort"

I am worth the effort, but you have'nt the brains, or the eloquence to do it, and you have been defeated. I have just flushed you away.

If you ever do, I will fry your right wing ass back to Nuremberg. You can go and meet Albert Pierrepoint, he is waiting for you with a rope.

TheVan · 03-07-2007 9:28pm

1.More prisons,no bail,longer sentences,and no shortening of sentences for good behaviour.The prisons would be finances by the money I would save by canceling all dole payments to forgein citizens/assylum seekers.They will be allowed to work and fenf=d for themselves from day one

Aside from the completely racist nature of that comment, it lacks any humanity. This country should welcome diversity. Anyone who arrives in a new country needs a leg-up, and afaik those who work can't work from day 1. They need support.

2.No more homless.No Irish man or woman would be homless,not one assylum seeker would be given a bed until every Irish man or woman was offered one.

I agree that no-one should be homeless, but this includes asylum seekers. Again your policy is blatantly racist.

4.Assylum seekers/forgeiners will be deported on their first criminal offence without the right to appeal.

Again, completely racist. And why no right to appeal? The right to appeal is a fundamental safeguard in any criminal justice system. A successful appeal means that something was wrong with the original conviction. An unsuccessful one means that the person is guilty as charged. Why remove this?

5.Minimum of 20 years in jail for possesion of class A drugs.10 years class B 10 and class C 5 years.Death sentence for those caught in possion of class a with intent to supply.

That is in no way proportional. Also, I believe the death penalty is wrong for any crime but that argument could fit an entire thread.

6.Mandatory death sentence for padophiles and those caught in the possession of child pornography.This would inculde all preists previously convicted.

See number 5

7.No marraige rights for homosexuals.

8.Cigs banned.

11.No abortion.

These are social policy questions that I won't argue with you on as you're entitled to your opinion. I disagree completely however.

9.More cycle lanes.More buses.Increase funding of public transport.

Strangely, I agree with you.

10.Anti social behaviour:2 years in prison.

12.Vanalism of any type=2 years in prison.

Never misbehaved as a kid? Again completely unproportional. You obviously have no understanding of criminal justice. What you are creating is a police state based on fear and repression.

13.Murder=death sentence with no right to appeal.

Where to begin. As I said, I believe the death sentence is wrong. And no right to appeal on the taking of someone's life? You're insane.

14.More taxation on 6 figuer salaries.lee taxation on salaries below 30,000.

Yeah its called a progressive taxation system. We have one.

15.More funding for education.(Trinity,NUIG and UCC would all be top 20 in the wotl by 2015)

Funding is not the be all and end all. Also there is no way a country of this size would have 3 universities in the top 20. Also what about UCD, currently number 2 in the country??

16.Increase minimum wage to 8 e/hr

Afaik its 8.65 at the moment. So you're actually behind the times.

17.Racism=5 years in prison

Sorry, how do you legislate for and police, racism? Thought police?

18.Free health care for ALL,similar to NHS

We have that.

19.Rape=death sentence

See earlier comments on proportionality, criminal justice and the death sentence.

20.No registration fee for university.

Look, the registration fee is a pain in the ass, but to be honest, is nothing compared to university fees. Also, if you can't afford it, generally there's some sort of grant you can get. If you have a bee in your bonnet about this, why not free accomodation for those more than an hour away from a university. That would make a real difference.

21.Increase funding into sport,aim of 2 gold medals for london olympics.

The achievements of the few and "patriotism" over the needs of the many?

22.No tax on fruit and veg.

Odd, but I can see where you're coming from. Actually a pretty interesting idea!

23.No tax on forgein companies as long as they employ more than 1000 citizens.

Boy, I'd like to see your government revenues for year 1 of that!

24.No longer will the average man turn on the 6 one after along days work and see pictures of polticians swanning around in mercedes,living the life of a playboy,mocking you with his grin at some swanky fund raiser.All politicans will be paided a respectible wage,but not extortionate.They will drive cars they have paided for themselves out of their own wage packets.The gravey train thats is Irish politics would run out of steam if I was to be elected.

Ah, that's a debate that could go on for hours. I agree with aspects of it, not with others.

25.More bank holidays,Ireland would have the highest number of bank holidays in the eu if I was to be elected.

Why? And would foreign multinationals want to work here? I doubt it.

26.The end of pointless figuer head positions.No morre presidents,as money is alocated to public transport and education the end of of these pointless positions would free up money.

The President isn't pointless. She is the head of state, the representative of Ireland on the global stage and performs many functions under the Constitution. Also, I don't know what other "figure head" positions you're talking about.
Incidentally, to remove the president you would have to pass a constitutional amendment. You couldn't do it unilaterally and so you can't guarantee it would happen if you're elected.

27.Gaurding of our heritage,I would stop shrinkage of galetacts by any means possible and stop highways desroying out beautiful country side.

Isn't it deliciously ironic that you can't spell "gaeltacht"?

In short, I can't tell if you're naive or a looney.

DarkJager · 03-07-2007 9:32pm

He's probably taken heed of what advice was offered to him, and has decided to keep his ill informed, playground policies to himself.

Tha Gopher · 03-07-2007 10:11pm

Commander Vimes wrote:

thats a load of arse, you ban something because its bad, not because it leads to something bad.

studies have shown that 95% of cocaine addicts have drank lucozade. lucozade is a gateway drug !!!!1111 i know loads of people who use cannabis but no one who uses cocaine

Eh....right

Of your lucozade study group how many of them drank it BEFORE they first toked a joint? Dunno about you but i seem to remember the orange stuff being poured down my neck during any flu i suffered from as far back as I remember.

I smoke, and the legalisation lobby is doing itself no favours by saying it isnt a stepping stone when anyone with half a brain knows it is.

And i really cant imagine none of your smoker friends have tried cocaine. Aint read his post even yet but from the quotes ive seen oneeyedsnake is partially right. Cannabis is addictive. Most people who buy hash are somewhat addicted. That includes myself. Ive seldom if ever got up on a Saturday morning and opened a beer for brekfeast but, like most smokers, id skin up after getting out of bed. Its bad for me. I admit it. Of course Im not agreeing with his sentencing plans, Im all for legalisin, if only so I can have a quality smoke in the park on a hot summers day, and so that the droughts of recent years will be consigned to history. But he is spot on with his gateway and health stuff, and if you dont believe it its you who hasnt enough experience of the real world, not oneeyedsnake.

And please, if i hear one stoner go on a ****ing anti alcohol rant again. Beer and smoke go like bread and butter

dermo88 · 04-07-2007 12:02am

I'll agree with you there Gopher. On top of that, I find the countries with the harshest penalties for possession of weed, coupled with a non drinking culture produce the best quality weed.

If you doubt that, go to Malaysia. The place is designed to grow it, and if you go to the more conservative parts, its easier for a Muslim to smoke weed than have a beer. Crazy....I know....but from observation, true.

I'll also agree that Beer and a smoke go hand in hand. Theres nothing quite like a Pint of Guinness and a John Player Blue. In the beer gaden on a summers day. As for it being a 'gateway drug', I have some resevations about that. Most weed smokers are fairly civilised people. I'd have the odd smoke.

When I was in the Caribbean for almost one year, it was practically compulsory after a business meeting with Government ministers, businessmen, or Telecom companies to skin up and smoke. They'd be anti smoking on TV and to the electorate, and shareholders, but behind closed doors, they'd have it in the tea/coffee caddy.

Reku · 04-07-2007 8:34am

oneeyedsnake wrote:

Okay this country needs sorting out.If I was to run in the next general election this is what I would offer.

1.More prisons,no bail,longer sentences,and no shortening of sentences for good behaviour.

Yay.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

The prisons would be finances by the money I would save by canceling all dole payments to forgein citizens/assylum seekers.They will be allowed to work and fenf=d for themselves from day one

Do we actually pay dole to foreign citizens? AFAIK their government pays our government the money to pay on to them, but our goverment doesn't actually pay anything out of it's own pocket. Assylum seekers I'd say should be funded until they can get themselves settled and find a job (the current thing of them not technically being allowed work is BS!).

oneeyedsnake wrote:

2.No more homless.No Irish man or woman would be homless,not one assylum seeker would be given a bed until every Irish man or woman was offered one.

Sadly I don't think finances and availability of housing is always the issue, while it is for most, some just prefer to live on the streets.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

4.Assylum seekers/forgeiners will be deported on their first criminal offence without the right to appeal.

If they have been convicted in trial by jury sounds fine to me.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

6.Mandatory death sentence for padophiles and those caught in the possession of child pornography.This would inculde all preists previously convicted.

Difficult topic in that they will always be paedophiles, there is no way of changing that, but don't think execution is the best way to deal with them... castration perhaps?

oneeyedsnake wrote:

7.No marraige rights for homosexuals.

I see absolutely no problem with homosexuals marrying, gives them equal rights as a couple as if they were a straight couple. Other than that and the tax break it's all just a load of pomp.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

8.Cigs banned.

Would this make them class C drugs? I think just banning it in public is sufficient, let people enjoy their cigs at home, at least then only they have to suffer. AFAIK in Britain they have brought in a rule whereby to get an operation on the NHS you have to quit smoking, not a bad idea IMO.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

9.More cycle lanes.More buses.Increase funding of public transport.

Definitely, add tracking to the buses so the managers can spot when one guy is slacking off and make the staff easily sackable for such, the amount of times where buses won't show up or you'll see them pull in somewhere they're not supposed to so as to have an unofficial break is ridiculous.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

10.Anti social behaviour:2 years in prison.

Would need a better definition on Anti social behaviour, technically refusing to go to lunch with someone so you can get some more work done is anti social behaviour.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

11.No abortion.

What about the victims of rape??!

oneeyedsnake wrote:

12.Vanalism of any type=2 years in prison.

If the intent to vandalise was there then yes, if it was accidental then no (e.g. your brakes fail and you hit a bus stop).

oneeyedsnake wrote:

13.Murder=death sentence with no right to appeal.

Sadly not a deterent... a sentence of a few years enforced waking PVS (inability to do anything) perhaps might work as jeebus but that would be hell.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

14.More taxation on 6 figuer salaries.lee taxation on salaries below 30,000.

the wealthy will always find ways around taxation

oneeyedsnake wrote:

15.More funding for education.(Trinity,NUIG and UCC would all be top 20 in the wotl by 2015)

What about UCD, UCG, DCU, DIT, etc...?

oneeyedsnake wrote:

16.Increase minimum wage to 8 e/hr

It's already over €8.50 is it not?

oneeyedsnake wrote:

17.Racism=5 years in prison

Racism no, everyone has their oppinion, racist attacks yes.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

18.Free health care for ALL,similar to NHS

Yay, byebye crazy costs of health insurance.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

19.Rape=death sentence

Violent rape deserves stricter punishments yes, death sentence (as I've said above) doesn't really work though. Other forms of rape can be quite a grey area however in that if a woman wakes up after a night out and decides that now that beer goggles have worn off her adonis is actually a Rab C Nesbitt she can choose to claim rape when in reality she had the intent of getting laid, just not by someone quite so unattractive. Also according to the current wording of Irish law a woman cannot actually rape a man (due to lacking certain bits). Many problems WRT rape law in Ireland...

oneeyedsnake wrote:

20.No registration fee for university.

Technically true now, but they just pass it off under a different name instead, yes it's a much smaller amount than the full registration fee but it's still a registration fee.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

21.Increase funding into sport,aim of 2 gold medals for london olympics.

We certainly have many potential olympic atheletes.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

22.No tax on fruit and veg.

Is there a tax on these? How much?

oneeyedsnake wrote:

23.No tax on forgein companies as long as they employ more than 1000 citizens.

Not enough, the cost of employing the staff is too high (i.e. the minimum wage), this is what is driving away the multinationals.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

24.No longer will the average man turn on the 6 one after along days work and see pictures of polticians swanning around in mercedes,living the life of a playboy,mocking you with his grin at some swanky fund raiser.All politicans will be paided a respectible wage,but not extortionate.They will drive cars they have paided for themselves out of their own wage packets.The gravey train thats is Irish politics would run out of steam if I was to be elected.

Yeah, sure you'll do that... But yup they are paid WAY too much and the pensions they get are crazy too! Also need to see to it that the public prosecutor absolutely crucifies any of them caught at dodgy dealings, strip them of all state given assets and their cushy pension, same goes for Gadaí and any other state job.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

25.More bank holidays,Ireland would have the highest number of bank holidays in the eu if I was to be elected.

Would be nice but would also deter the multinationals.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

26.The end of pointless figuer head positions.No morre presidents,as money is alocated to public transport and education the end of of these pointless positions would free up money.

Replace it with no more Bertie and you might have me.

Sam Vimes · 04-07-2007 9:34am

Tha Gopher wrote:

I smoke, and the legalisation lobby is doing itself no favours by saying it isnt a stepping stone when anyone with half a brain knows it is.

it is a stepping stone but that's missing the point entirely. people are saying it should be banned because it "leads to harder drugs". i'd feel safe saying that 100% of people who use cocaine started off on cigarettes and then alcohol.

that's not a reason to ban them. i reiterate, you ban something because it is a bad thing to do, not because a minority of people who do this thing then go on to do something bad months if not years down the line

that's the same logic that bans violent video games because one kid with mental issues shot up a school. what about the 10000000 people who played the game and didn't shoot up a school? if someone's going to take cocaine, they'll do it whether they take hash first or not

Tha Gopher wrote:

And i really cant imagine none of your smoker friends have tried cocaine.

i never said they didn't try it. a few of them did but didn't like it, basically showing that there are those that are prone to take cocaine and those that aren't and the fact that they do hash is irrelevant

Demonique · 08-07-2007 1:13pm

oneeyedsnake wrote:

Okay this country needs sorting out.If I was to run in the next general election this is what I would offer.

1.I would save by canceling all dole payments to forgein citizens/assylum seekers.They will be allowed to work and fenf=d for themselves from day one

WOULD YOU COUNT BEGGING ON THE STREETS AS FENDING FOR THEMSELVES OR WOULD YOU MAKE THAT ILLEGAL

4.Assylum seekers/forgeiners will be deported on their first criminal offence without the right to appeal.

IF YOU MADE BEGGING ILLEGAL AGAIN THIS WOULD MEAN ALL THOSE ROMA GYPSIES WOULD NO SOONER STEP INTO THE COUNTRY THAN THEY WOULD BE OUT ON THEIR ARSES AGAIN WHICH WOULD BE A GOOD THING IN MY MIND AS I'M SICK OF THEM SHOVING THEIR HANDS INTO MY FACE AT THE ATM MACHINE BEGGING FOR MONEY

7.No marraige rights for homosexuals.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS?

8.Cigs banned.

HERE HERE

9.More cycle lanes.More buses.Increase funding of public transport.

HERE HERE, MIGHT I SUGGEST THE ADDITION OF A CONGESTION CHARGE IN DUBLIN CITY CENTRE TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR CARS AT HOME AND TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORT INTO WORK

11.No abortion.

ABORTION IS ALREADY BANNED HERE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PREVENTING WOMEN FROM TRAVELLING TO THE UK FOR ABORTIONS? HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT THAT?

14.More taxation on 6 figuer salaries.lee taxation on salaries below 30,000.

HERE HERE

15.More funding for education.(Trinity,NUIG and UCC would all be top 20 in the wotl by 2015)

YES DEFINATELY NEEDED SEEING AS YOU FORGOT TO ADD A NUMBER THREE IN YOUR LIST

16.Increase minimum wage to 8 e/hr

IT'S ALREADY MORE THAN €8/HR, INCREASE IT TO €9 AND YOU HAVE ME

18.Free health care for ALL,similar to NHS

HERE HERE

20.No registration fee for university.

HERE HERE

22.No tax on fruit and veg.

I'D LIKE TO ADD INCENTIVES TO ORGANIC FARMERS TO KEEP THE PRICE OF ORGANIC PRODUCE DOWN

24.No longer will the average man turn on the 6 one after along days work and see pictures of polticians swanning around in mercedes,living the life of a playboy,mocking you with his grin at some swanky fund raiser.All politicans will be paided a respectible wage,but not extortionate.They will drive cars they have paided for themselves out of their own wage packets.The gravey train thats is Irish politics would run out of steam if I was to be elected.

YES, DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT JET

27.Gaurding of our heritage,I would stop shrinkage of galetacts by any means possible and stop highways desroying out beautiful country side.

PROTECT TARA AT ALL COSTS!

(all death sentence would be carried out with 1 hour of sentencing by public hanging out side the court house)

WHAT IF SOMEONE IS LATER FOUND TO BE INNOCENT? THAT'S WHY THE DEATH PENALTY WAS DROPPED IN THE UK TO BEGIN WITH

Here's some more suggestions:

28. No tax or VAT on female sanitary products, they're an essential in the lives of most (if not all woman)

29. Free contreception to prevent teen pregnancies or families having more children than they can afford for those that want to avail of the free contreception

Hudson4ever · 17-10-2007 10:31pm

You are such a legend aren't you, thinking you are the cheese because you think you are winning some stupid debate with a guy who is obviously taking the piss. Jesus Christ, I mean anyone with half a brain....

I also must mention that, although I am sure you will deny this, your anger is so obvious in your responses that I can almost hear the winder uppers cackling at their keyboards thinking, thank God I found a muppet who takes this stuff seriously

Please keep posting, the world needs people like you, albeit just for laughing at

Hudson4ever · 17-10-2007 10:32pm

And yer a wanker

dermo88 · 17-10-2007 11:36pm

Really

Oh yeah, even better, Hudson4Ever, I think you just got banned.

Anyway, why should I bother replying. Its only a bit of light entertainment. We suspected he was a troll, but he was'nt very clever. The fact that he claims to be studying for a masters degree is terrifying. Maybe it was part of his course in media studies, the political science module. In which case, I wished him luck at the time (read page 6 for my post on that).

"Responses to badly though out drivel in politics"