Missing Madeline - Anyone else sick of this?

Degsy

RoundyMooney wrote:

Hitchhikers are pretty much a thing of the past now too.

Proper order.Bloody hippies.

Thats more to dow ith it being illegal on motorways these days and less to do with mur-diddily-urderers.

thebaz

Miss Fluff wrote:

Article re media coverage by Mary Fitzgerald in today's Weekend Review in Irish Times.

the editorial in the times, pretty much states what i suggested during the week, that parents shouldn't be too over protective and stunt social development , -- and what happened to Madeliane is a once in a million case of bad luck -- but i got slated as an unfit parent for speaking the truth, by some of the perfect over protective virtual parents here on AH

Mossy Monk

thebaz wrote:

the editorial in the times, pretty much states what i suggested during the week, that parents shouldn't be too over protective and stunt social development

Leaving children alone in an apartment while the parents go out to eat does not help social development. It is bad parenting.

And just because the media says something does not make it true.

Tha Gopher

Mossy Monk wrote:

Leaving children alone in an apartment while the parents go out to eat does not help social development. It is bad parenting.

Indeed. And the worst bit about it is that it wasnt an experiment in independence. It was the importance of not spending 12 euro.

liamdubh

Tha Gopher wrote:

Indeed. And the worst bit about it is that it wasnt an experiment in independence. It was the importance of not spending 12 euro.

Yeah. They're doctors too. Probably not short of a few quid. They don't deserve what happened to them, but I bet they're wishing they had forked out 12 euro now. What would have happened if one of the kids decided to go for a swim?

They kids are 4 and 2 afaik. Hardly an age to start teaching them independence. Going to the toilet by themselves, feeding themselves yes. Minding themselves while the parents go out for a few drinks? 150 yards away or not is not what I'd call teaching them independence.

Binomate

Lets get a team of boardsies to go over to Portugal and find here. We'll split the rewards equally.

liamdubh

It has nothing to do with money. they where near by, and one of them was checking in every 30 mins or so. sure they shouldn't have left them alone, but why blame the parents now.

They might as well have been 20 miles away for all the good it did. The fact is they left their 2 and 3 year old children in an unattended, unlocked apartment while they went for a few drinks. What happened if one of the children decided it would be a good time for a swim? Or slipped on a wet tile and cracked their head? Or even woke up and was scared ****less because they couldn't find their parents and went wandering?

They're not to "blame" but the situation wouldn't have come up had they paid proper attention to their children or forked out 12 euro for a babysitter. Even if the kids were older and there was one who could be expected to have the cop on to go 150 yards to fetch the parents if there was anything wrong I wouldn't have a problem with it...but they were 2 and 3 years old.

kelle

liamdubh wrote:

Yeah. They're doctors too. Probably not short of a few quid. They don't deserve what happened to them, but I bet they're wishing they had forked out 12 euro now. What would have happened if one of the kids decided to go for a swim?

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While I would not have left my kids the way these parents did, I can fully understand why they didn't get a babysitter. I would not trust somebody whose background I didn't know to mind my children. While staying in a hotel in Ballina, we got a babysitter, but felt we could trust her as she's married to the manager and he (the manager) is not going to put the reputation of the hotel on the line. I just feel they don't care as much in tourist destinations because, after all, they're going to have a whole new set of tourists the following week regardless of what happens.
I still pray Madeline is found safe and well, and her parents are put out of the hell they are in.

Binomate

#Elites wrote:

im accualy going to Portugal about 1 hr from where she was kidnaped this summer..ill keep a look out;)

If you find her, you'll have to pay me royalties, since I suggested the idea.

liamdubh

kelle wrote:

While I would not have left my kids the way these parents did, I can fully understand why they didn't get a babysitter. I would not trust somebody whose background I didn't know to mind my children. While staying in a hotel in Ballina, we got a babysitter, but felt we could trust her as she's married to the manager and he (the manager) is not going to put the reputation of the hotel on the line. I just feel they don't care as much in tourist destinations because, after all, they're going to have a whole new set of tourists the following week regardless of what happens.

This place is an upmarket holiday resort and the childminders were fully qualified. I'm sure the kid would have cried and/or the abductor would have made some noise. Anyway, it's not the point. The fact is they left their children unattended and something terrible happened as a result of that. The abduction was almost certainly planned and they took advantage of the fact the children had negligent parents.

I still pray Madeline is found safe and well, and her parents are put out of the hell they are in.

Who doesn't?

Binomate

liamdubh wrote:

Who doesn't?

Me, I don't pray.

thebaz

Mossy Monk wrote:

Leaving children alone in an apartment while the parents go out to eat does not help social development. It is bad parenting.

And just because the media says something does not make it true.

your completly missing the point -- of course me or the IT are not encouraging parents to leave children unattended -- but it happens in real life - as i suggested go around any estate tonight and you will see many children playing unsupervised after 9:00 pm --

Parents deserve a life to, as any parent will tell you looking after children , whilst working full time , is tiring -- and thats good parents that work hard to provide for there offspring--
I think it is so cheap to suggest the McCanns were bad parents, particlularly by those who are not parents , i know why that fellow completly lost it with some of you last week.

Mossy Monk

thebaz wrote:

Parents deserve a life to, as any parent will tell you looking after children , whilst working full time , is tiring -- and thats good parents that work hard to provide for there offspring--
I think it is so cheap to suggest the McCanns were bad parents, particlularly by those who are not parents , i know why that fellow completly lost it with some of you last week.

Leave the children at home with relatives then. I agree, parents do deserve time on their own. But why didn't they get a babysitter? And it is not cheap to say they are bad parents. I think it is ridiculous that you or anyone else is removing any of the blame from the parents.

Devon

To answer the question: Yes - I am completely sick and tired of hearing about it everywhere I turn. Websites. Posters. News about nothing. Speculation. I guarantee you if she was a black boy from a council estate it wouldn't be getting this much coverage. But a little blonde haired blue eyed girl from a picturesque family? Damn that's front page news for weeks.

As the Guardian reporter said, over 500 kids go missing every year in Great Britain, and while I can empathise with the parents' grief, the media circus surrounding this just makes me want to vomit.

Eglinton

Devon wrote:

Damn that's front page news for weeks.

More than front page news. Even has it's own section on www.sky.com/news (top left) - Higher on the list than politics and world news

Completely sick of it now. Have to agree with an earlier post. People are only feeling distraught about it and crying etc. because of the media coverage. Bad things happen every second of every day. If we got bogged down by every single bad incident, what sorry lives we would lead. Any newspaper etc worth it's salt should drop the story at this stage, until something significant happens, like WHEN they find the body.

HAGAR, I'd love to post some of the lolocaust content here, but alas I can't :-)

OPENROAD

#Elites wrote:

am i correct in saying, the guy who took her opened the window in her bedroom and took her while she was asleep?

if she was asleep, the baby sitter woudn't have been in the room at the time, she would be in living room or something.

sure it would have been harder, but if the guy took her through the window, from her room, he wouldn't have had to go near the other rooms.

It has been suggested that she wandered off i.e. she was not taken from apartment at all, instead she woke up, and went to look for her parents and was then snatched.

Mossy Monk

OPENROAD wrote:

It has been suggested that she wandered off i.e. she was not taken from apartment at all, instead she woke up, and went to look for her parents and was then snatched.

At least she was developing socially.

mikemac

I've seen the term "hypocrisy" thrown around a few times on the thread.
Posters are dead right to wonder why this case gets so much more attention than other missing persons cases.

I don't know the reason but the hyping of particular incidents is nothing new, we Irish are experts at it.

Remember back to summer 2002.
India and Pakistan were on the verge of war and both are nuclear powers.
But instead, every Irish person, newspaper and radio station was obsessed with Roy Keane and Mick McCarthy.
I seem to remember Roy Keane "addressed the nation" with reporter Tommy Gorman.

Our own Taoiseach was lobbied to get involved and top businessmen were offering the use of private jets.(spot similarities here?)

Now we have a case involving someones life so it is far more important than that a football squad at a World Cup.

Remember that before you damn the British press.

OPENROAD

Mossy Monk wrote:

At least she was developing socially.

eh?

Eglinton

Mossy Monk wrote:

At least she was developing socially.

lemansky

micmclo wrote:

I've seen the term "hypocrisy" thrown around a few times on the thread.
Posters are dead right to wonder why this case gets so much more attention than other missing persons cases.

I don't know the reason but the hyping of particular incidents is nothing new, we Irish are experts at it.

Remember back to summer 2002.
India and Pakistan were on the verge of war and both are nuclear powers.
But instead, every Irish person, newspaper and radio station was obsessed with Roy Keane and Mick McCarthy.
I seem to remember Roy Keane "addressed the nation" with reporter Tommy Gorman.

Our own Taoiseach was lobbied to get involved and top businessmen were offering the use of private jets.(spot similarities here?)

Now we have a case involving someones life so it is far more important than that a football squad at a World Cup.

Remember that before you damn the British press.

I was just as annoyed with the Irish press over that.The continuous coverage of any incident is irritating.But is the shooting dead of a Police officer not just as important as a missing child ?After all it was a case involving someone's life.It just rolled along the bottom of the screen until they briefly ran out of steam regarding Madeleine.Then they gave it a few minutes exposure,then back to Portugal where we heard about how nothing has changed.

Mossy Monk

Has the advertising rate on Sky News increased over the last two weeks?

Eglinton

micmclo wrote:

Remember back to summer 2002.
India and Pakistan were on the verge of war and both are nuclear powers.
But instead, every Irish person, newspaper and radio station was obsessed with Roy Keane and Mick McCarthy.
I seem to remember Roy Keane "addressed the nation" with reporter Tommy Gorman.

Well you just can't mess with the sacred scale of news worthiness

1. Sex
2. Scandal
3. Football
4. Sex + Scandal
5. Football + Scandal
6. Sex + Scandal + Football
7. Paris Hilton
8. War on Terror (yeehaw)
9. Paris Hilton
10. Paris Hilton
11. Steve Staunton http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055000952&referrerid=&highlight=north+korea+steve+staunton
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12. North Korea
13. Politics
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53. Glenda Gilson
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98 Missing persons
99 Wanderly wagon

DublinWriter

Mossy Monk wrote:

At least she was developing socially.

Sick.

Eglinton

DublinWriter wrote:

Sick.

You should go back and read the earlier posts throughout the thread. Mossy's comment is very amusing in context!

Mossy Monk

DublinWriter wrote:

Sick.

The least you could do is read the thread to see what people have been saying before jumping to conclusions.

Actually, I'll help you

thebaz wrote:

the editorial in the times, pretty much states what i suggested during the week, that parents shouldn't be too over protective and stunt social development , -- and what happened to Madeliane is a once in a million case of bad luck -- but i got slated as an unfit parent for speaking the truth, by some of the perfect over protective virtual parents here on AH

lemansky

Eglinton wrote:

You should go back and read the earlier posts throughout the thread. Mossy's comment is very amusing in context!

Absolutely:D
Some people would have nothing to get 'emotional' about if they didn't take things out of context or see what they want to see in a comment:D

Eglinton

Should we give Sting a ring and see if him and Krusty the Clown will get together and do a reworked version of "Sending our love down the well"? Worked for Timmy O'Toole. Poor guy

lemansky

Eglinton wrote:

Should we give Sting a ring and see if him and Krusty the Clown will get together and do a reworked version of "Sending our love down the well"? Worked for Timmy O'Toole. Poor guy

Sounds like a plan!:)

iguana

thebaz wrote:

-- and thats good parents that work hard to provide for there offspring--

No it isn't, there are a hell of a lot of things you can do for your kids that are better than earning money to buy them things. Once you can afford to feed, educate and house your children safely then you don't really need to work to provide anything else. Making your kids your priority is good parenting, not working so hard that you feel so desperate for a meal out that you will leave them uncared for while you eat is terrible parenting. Their is nothing excusable about it.

If you aren't prepared to accept that your children's needs will come before yours every single time throughout their childhoods then you shouldn't have kids.