Missing Madeline - Anyone else sick of this?

dame

Snake Plisken wrote:

At least the interviews that the parents gave Sky and the BBC they were asked the difficult questions about why they left the kids on their own there answer was it was a safe resorts and we are sure 1000's would do the same they said they felt a certain amount of guilt but were getting stronger thanks to the support they have got from around the world, an hour later the police in Portugal gave a press conference and gave discription of a man seen on the day carrying a child who was kicking up, seem they have two new witnesses although its a bit late 3 weeks later to come forward.
Snake

Sky reporter said they think the police have known about this sighting for almost three weeks but because of the way they work over there, it wasn't made public until today (due to pressure from McCann's and British police).

Asked the hard questions?
They didn't talk about the fact that they had left the door to the apartment open and they are sticking to the story that she was abducted from her bed, although it's been suggested it is more likely she woke up, wandered out into the street and was picked up from there (if at all). I suppose it makes them feel a bit better to think they couldn't have prevented her being taken from her bed, even if they had been in the other room. Then again, it makes it more newsworthy to have a child "snatched from her bed" rather than just wandering off, when she, and her two younger siblings, were left unattended.

Snake Plisken

dame wrote:

Asked the hard questions?
They didn't talk about the fact that they had left the door to the apartment open and they are sticking to the story that she was abducted from her bed, although it's been suggested it is more likely she woke up, wandered out into the street and was picked up from there (if at all). I suppose it makes them feel a bit better to think they couldn't have prevented her being taken from her bed, even if they had been in the other room. Then again, it makes it more newsworthy to have a child "snatched from her bed" rather than just wandering off, when she, and her two younger siblings, were left unattended.

I know but it was the first time I've heard the media ask them what the hell were they doing leaving the kids alone, I know the reporters could have pushed them harder with questions asked throughout this thread, but they probably would have walked out of the interview.

Snake

Saintly

dame wrote:

They didn't talk about the fact that they had left the door to the apartment open and they are sticking to the story that she was abducted from her bed, although it's been suggested it is more likely she woke up, wandered out into the street and was picked up from there (if at all).

Can you source the above information? I saw one Scotland Yard Detective mention on Sky News that she may have wandered off as a hypothesis - but that's the only hint of the wandering theory I have heard so far. Is it being discussed as a probable or more likely occurence elsewhere?

Re the open door, many years ago my parents often had summer barbeques in our back garden while we slept. The back door (not directly visible from the garden) was always left unlocked. Would hate to think how harshly they may have been judged if something had happened to one of us. I personally think the only thing the McCanns were guilty of was a false sense of safety in a busy, supposedly secure family resort..

Saintly.

Blondie86Star

I doubt the parents would have left €1million worth of cash on the table when they went out to dinner. If they did and it was stolen people would have said "f***ing idiots".

This is so rediculous, even the sky news reporter said you child has probably gotten more coverage than all othe missing children combined.

And I heard that about her wandering off, if an abductor went in
(a) why did he spacifically pick her
(b) why didnt he take one the other children?

I think she wandered off, and how much worse would it look for the parents if they said our daughter wandered off cos we went to have dinner and left the door open?

thefinalstage

I still can't understand why they left the child alone. If you bring a child on holiday you bring them with you everywhere. No dinners alone unless there is another trusted adult watching them even than I wouldn't like leaving them.

Leaving a child alone in an apartment regardless of where it is is just utter bull crap and they should be charged with neglect. They had done it many times before of their own admission.

Its begs the question did they even want that child? Right now they are getting a tour of europe, free. Without a child they would have left alone anyway.

Blondie86Star

thelastangryman wrote:

Its begs the question did they even want that child? Right now they are getting a tour of europe, free. Without a child they would have left alone anyway.

Hit the nail on the head

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i'm impressed with some of the callousness displayed in this thread

very impressed.

drdre

This is all so annoying now.Where where on sky its pictures of the kid and the same story over and over again.Its being to piss me off as its really the familes problem that left the kid there in the first place alone

Blondie86Star

Yeah its crazy... sorry to offend certain people but its all the parents fault this happened in the first place and that whats really getting on my nerves

solas

because of the circumstances, many people find it difficult to empathise with the parents in this situation. Still, a child is missing and maybe people would feel better if they focused on how it might be for her.

Madge

Blondie86Star wrote:

Yeah its crazy... sorry to offend certain people but its all the parents fault this happened in the first place and that whats really getting on my nerves

I started the original thread on this topic and had the same opinion as you and I got flamed after posting my opinion. Regardless of others saying 'don't blame the parents' etc deep down they know it's ALL the parents fault.

Tha Gopher

thelastangryman wrote:

I still can't understand why they left the child alone.

Again, unbelievably, for the sake of one roughly a seventh of their combined hourly wage (being doctors)

Saintly wrote:

Put simply, I wish you would just read what is written. It is not what I think that is important here, (I didn't discuss my personal opinion AT ALL, I explained the current system), it is what actually happens that is the key point. You suggested that social workers should give the McCanns a fright and tell them that if their children were taken into care, they probably would lose their medical licences. This is simply not reality- not in Ireland or anywhere else I have worked/studied, so we would look pretty stupid if we said something like that to them. Your version of common sense would be construed as baseless intimidation by a family and a court. How does that help the kids?.....

I personally think the only thing the McCanns were guilty of was a false sense of safety in a busy, supposedly secure family resort......

Holy christ.

"Giving a fright" for such ridicilous behaviour benefits because the parents will never do it again unless they are complete idiots. To be frank Im embarrased that such an obvious question was even asked.

Again I ask, exactly how much of a massive cost to the taxpayer is a 15 minute telling off from a social worker?

As for the last point, they are not guilty of that. They are guilty of neglecting their children for the sake of 12 poxy euro. As someone said, its not very likely that its the first time they did this. They are crap, irresponsible parents, simple as.

Blondie86Star wrote:

I doubt the parents would have left €1million worth of cash on the table when they went out to dinner. If they did and it was stolen people would have said "f***ing idiots".

Indeed. I wouldnt be suprised if, like most of us, they didnt leave any cash of valuables in the flat in case the cleaners stole it (particularly given their apparent aversion to parting with money)

Blondie86Star

Precisely. They left their most valuable posession alone. These are the consequences

Blisterman

Ok, so they made the misjudgment of leaving their children alone by themselves, but, are you saying that this mistake so terrible that they deserve to have their child taken, murdered, and/or abused?

Nephew

I was thinking of making a site along the lines of Where The Hell Is Matt.com called Where The Hell Is Madeline.com where I travel the world looking for her.

Blondie86Star

Blisterman wrote:

Ok, so they made the misjudgment of leaving their children alone by themselves, but, are you saying that this mistake so terrible that they deserve to have their child taken, murdered, and/or abused?

God no, Noone deserve that, but I certainately think they shouldnt be receiving the support that they are, and that stupid excuse of well everyone elseleft their children alone. I dont see how this child is any different from any other missing one, I dont think theres been any sort of "fund" along the extent that there is for this case.

As I said before if they wouldnt have left €1million in the apartment that night.

daveg

Some of those posting here should think about what could be happening to that poor child. I'm disgusted by some of the posts here. Anone sick of this/it's getting on my nerves.... For fuck sake. Okay the parent were at fault etc etc but what about the child? She might be being abused/murdered as I type this now. Does that not register with some of you? Yes the media coverage of this is relentless, but so what? What if, due to the constant media attention she was found? Perhaps this (media attention) is keeping the pressure on the Police and they may end up finding her.

BigTommyBomb

What if, due to the constant media attention she was found?

This has been done a million times. If you take that line then all news stories for the next eternity should be about Madeline. And then all the other kids, and people who are missing.

Call Me Jimmy

daveg wrote:

Some of those posting here should think about what could be happening to that poor child. I'm disgusted by some of the posts here. Anone sick of this/it's getting on my nerves.... For fuck sake. Okay the parent were at fault etc etc but what about the child? She might be being abused/murdered as I type this now. Does that not register with some of you? Yes the media coverage of this is relentless, but so what? What if, due to the constant media attention she was found? Perhaps this (media attention) is keeping the pressure on the Police and they may end up finding her.

I would have thought that it is a given that people who are arguing against the amount of coverage for this case want madelaine to be returned safely and unharmed. It is the fact that for some reason this is the only missing child/person case that has been covered and they want to know the reason for this.

Why can't you detach yourself emotionally from this case and ask questions about the handling of it in the media? You say the media attention is keeping pressure on the police but then I ask, why no media attention for the other 1200 gone missing since madelaine did. Is that fair? Think about what could be happening to those people? They could have been murdered, forced into the sex industry etc...

Blondie86Star

I dont think anyone is saying they hope shes not found. But take this into perspective:

http://missingkids.co.uk/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&LanguageCountry=en_GB&searchLang=en_GB&caseLang=en_GB&orgPrefix=UK02&caseNum=07MET04253&seqNum=1

point proven??

daveg

Call Me Jimmy wrote:

Why can't you detach yourself emotionally from this case and ask questions about the handling of it in the media?

Because I have a 7 year old child Jimmy.

I totally take your point about other missing children, and the fact that they don't get the media attention is wrong. However some people here are posting that it's an inconvenience that this on the news all the time. The way I look at it is that the Portuguese police are under massive scrutiny thanks to the media. I do wonder if they would still be looking/working so hard if the worlds attention was not on them. This is one of the reasons the media coverage is positive. You are right that other missing children should get this attention as well. I'm not arguing against that.

MojoMaker

The whole case stinks. I have a feeling a very saddening and shocking revelation is going to come out in the near future.

aidan24326

MojoMaker wrote:

The whole case stinks. I have a feeling a very saddening and shocking revelation is going to come out in the near future.

You might be right. It's also strange that everyone is so keen to throw loads of money at the parents. I mean they're both senior doctors, not short of a few bob it has to be said. They have also been guilty of gross negligence. If they were working-class they'd probably have social services all over them as unfit parents.

You would have to wonder why Sky News have latched onto this in such a big way? As other posters have said kids go missing every day and it might get no more than a few lines in the paper, if that. Why don't they now highlight some of the other missing child cases also?

The parents are alleged to be hiring a professional public relations adviser and two London lawyers.

The lawyers I can just about understand, but public relations advisers? WTF? Are they on the celebrity circuit now?

I'd have thought it's a couple of really bad-ass private investigators they need, the best and meanest money can buy, not a fcuking PR guru.

Stabshauptmann

jonnybax wrote:

If it'll help get her back, what's the problem?

A a three-year-old girl being kidnapped and a soldier being killed in Iraq is completely incomparable.

No they're not.

They are both Dead.

Madeleine, is quite possibly dead.

And yes, it is pissing me off that she seems to be the only thing on sky news. Its terrible thing to happen, but very little of the reporting surrounding the incident could honestly be called news

Snake Plisken

Mmm interesting that in the interviews they didn't say a word about the portuguese police, I mean why the hell didn't the police come forward about this new sighting of a man with what looked like a child under his arm 3 weeks ago? Why now? Very strange way they work over in Portugal.

Snake

lemansky

They probably had their reasons.They mightn't have thought that they needed help from the public at that stage with finding the person.They might've thought they could handle it,but know see that they need help as their leads which seemed valid at the time to them may have turned up nothing.They were wary of the media knowing everything and giving the guy a blow by blow account of what they had on him.

Blondie86Star

in the 22 days since the four-year-old went missing an estimated 1,100 other children under 16 have “vanished from homes in Britain”.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/news/tabloids/173588.html

I doubt Gordon Brown's calling up their parents

ejmaztec

I think that it's more the fault of the parents of an abductor for bringing him into the world, than the strangely naive parents of an abducted child. Society in general is responsible for allowing the perv-nutjobs free reign on the planet. Whoever carried out this abduction, and the perpetrators of countless other abductions, could have been locked up before, and then released after being miraculously cured of their little character flaw. We all know that these people are completely incurable, despite what the shrinks might say.
You can hide in your shells and say that these cases have nothing to do with you, but think of your local un-reported weirdoes, seemingly at least one in every neighbourhood, where the locals ignore their gut-feelings about him, simply tell their kids to avoid him, for some unexplained reason. What if the hypothetical perv leaves the area, possibly takes off to another country, let’s say Portugal, for example. So, when the s**t hits the fan, like in this case, are any of his old acquaintances, or family members, who did nothing about their suspicions, going to accept a degree of responsibility for their inaction? Of course, they’ll never know who he is, if he never gets caught.

Also, producing a report of a missing black 15-year-old is irrelevant. If he was 3 or 4, there would be a similar amount of publicity. Considering the UK Police’s record on racial matters, they’d have no choice but to do a thorough job. When the torso of a young black lad was found in the Thames, a few years ago, the authorities went to extreme lengths to find out everything that they could about him. They finally tracked his origins to North Africa, by matching his DNA make-up with that of a particular area.

As a matter of interest, I wonder how many of the 1100 missing children in the UK were under 4. The report specifies that most of them are 16, and doesn't say whether or not there was any evidence to show that any of them were abducted.

Blondie86Star

ejmaztec wrote:

Also, producing a report of a missing black 15-year-old is irrelevant

So because she is white and 4 that makes her more important??

ejmaztec

As he packed his school bag with clothes, then took off, I think that means that he wasn’t 4 and wasn’t snatched from his bed, therefore, sorry, don't think that it's relevant.