Irish Open Satellite at the Sporting Emporium Tue 20th March

nicnicnic

The-Rigger wrote:

I knocked the Chief out last night, I was fully expecting to get chiefed (hoping, in a sick way, my day will come no doubt!).

[/B]' by The Chief.

cough cough, I do remember you winning a hand against the Chief but am quite sure that it was indeed myself who finished him off in a three way pot that included Dacman KJ the chief AQ and the set hitting 1010 for my self.

I feel your original statement is bringing my integrity and honesty into question and feel a public apology is warranted

Flushdraw

ianmc38 wrote:

It's bad etiquette but it's within the laws of the game. If someone was raising my blinds all night I might ask the dealer to see a hand that was mucked at showdown to get some information.

As far as I'm aware some cardrooms have a ruling that if the dealer can clearly identify both the players cards in the muck, they can be retrieved and shown.

Ian, i dont believe that you'd ever ask the dealer to take a players cards from the muck. I'd never do this and i wouldnt really expect any player to do so. If Ollie was called at showdown, i might ask to see them before he mucked, but if he mucked without showing i'd presume he had rubbish no matter what he tells me. But the point being, i wouldnt risk making the man look like a fool by asking for a ruling to see his mucked cards to prove him wrong.

ianmc38

Well maybe not from the muck. i'd probably have asked to see the cards as he mucks them...

BigCityBanker

Flushdraw wrote:

i wouldnt risk making the man look like a fool

tis alright Tony - Ollie normally has this one well covered!!

Solksjaer

I wouldn't consider myself a mate of anyone on the Dublin Poker scene but I do like a good few of the people. Ollieboy I've met and is likeable. I'm played a couple of times with the KP chappie and he seems affable, so my guess is a quick pint of plain and a chinwag between them will sort it out. I'd be too stubborn myself but then that's a character leak..

Go for it lads.....I'd be interested to hear the outcome of your discussions (just on the etiquette question)

Rgds
WillieC

MrPillowTalk

Think your a little out of order on this one Ollie. Kp asking to see your cards is completely within the rules and completely understandable if he was bb to your button, I think your being a little shortsighted saying that you "told him your hand allready" I for one dont believe anything untill I see cards. And in fairness you brought it up on the forum not Ken.

Personally I find it a little distasteful that you would call Ken an idiot, muppet, childish etc when he never wavered from the rules and anyone who knows him knows these comments to be untrue.

30something

Enough of this Ollie v KP already!

I don't think it will help if others comment and give their opinions in a public forum on this issue because it's personal between the two of them. Ollie and KP need to sort this out themselves and throw away remarks will simply fuel the fire.

Solksjaer

I agree with you 30 something....although someone pls find out the ruling/etiquette on the muck retrival thing, I'm interested in this part.

phantom_lord

30something wrote:

Ollie v KP

hu for bankrolls.

semibluff

once in the muck, they are gone - no matter what, even if they can be exactly defined. the muck is like the bottomless pit - if they go in they cant come back out. if they havnt hit any of the cards in the muck then its a diff story.
i stand to be corrected but this is the rule that was applied in dublin, aswell as in a number of US casinos

ianmc38

I had cards taken from the muck in 2 different casinos in Vegas. I asked for a ruling in the MGM and what I said in the above post was the floor managers response (i went ballistsic!)

karlh

30something wrote:

Enough of this Ollie v KP already!

ill get this up in the betting for the open.

semibluff

in the commerce in LA a full tilt "pro" went mad at me when i stopped his cards hitting the muck with my hand, i had no intentions of turning them over, but i stopped them hitting the muck, which drove him mad, and the floor manager backed him saying that the muck is unretrievable.

MacStacked

semibluff wrote:

in the commerce in LA a full tilt "pro" went mad at me when i stopped his cards hitting the muck with my hand, i had no intentions of turning them over, but i stopped them hitting the muck, which drove him mad, and the floor manager backed him saying that the muck is unretrievable.

And he was right, there is no circumstance where it is acceptable for one player to touch another players cards at the table.

Jesus Wept

semibluff wrote:

in the commerce in LA a full tilt "pro" went mad at me when i stopped his cards hitting the muck with my hand, i had no intentions of turning them over, but i stopped them hitting the muck, which drove him mad, and the floor manager backed him saying that the muck is unretrievable.

MacStacked wrote:

And he was right, there is no circumstance where it is acceptable for one player to touch another players cards at the table.

I don't know if this was the circumstances in this case but a player who was called on the river shouldn't be firing his cards into the muck as someone can request to see a called hand. (this reminds me of the first thread a posted on boards).

If this was the case, then it was two wrongs.

Jesus Wept

nicnicnic wrote:

cough cough, I do remember you winning a hand against the Chief but am quite sure that it was indeed myself who finished him off in a three way pot that included Dacman KJ the chief AQ and the set hitting 1010 for my self.

I feel your original statement is bringing my integrity and honesty into question and feel a public apology is warranted

To be honest, no harm was intended Nicky. I got caught up in the moment and managed to forget that the hand I doubled up through the Chief did not knock him out. He had a superior stack to me (likely due to his superior skill levels) and you are right in saying that you knocked him out in the hand mentioned above.

I wish to offer a full and sincere apology to Nicky, his family, loved ones, friends and business assosiates for my unfortunate tirade.

I apologise profusely and I hope that this incident (*hereby referred to as Chiefgate) will not tarnish our friendship.



Meanwhile, my quest to knock the chief out (and also to be 'chiefed') continues.....

nicnicnic

The-Rigger wrote:

To be honest, no harm was intended Nicky. I got caught up in the moment and managed to forget that the hand I doubled up through the Chief did not knock him out. He had a superior stack to me (likely due to his superior skill levels) and you are right in saying that you knocked him out in the hand mentioned above.

I wish to offer a full and sincere apology to Nicky, his family, loved ones, friends and business assosiates for my unfortunate tirade.

I apologise profusely and I hope that this incident (*hereby referred to as Chiefgate) will not tarnish our friendship.



Meanwhile, my quest to knock the chief out (and also to be 'chiefed') continues.....

Hmmm ok apology accepted it's just that i dont get to knock out such high profile players very often, now that i think of it i dont seem to knock many players full stop:) . anyhow we've cleared up who scalped the chief:rolleyes:

Jesus Wept

nicnicnic wrote:

Hmmm ok apology accepted it's just that i dont get to knock out such high profile players very often, now that i think of it i dont seem to knock many players full stop:) . anyhow we've cleared up who scalped the chief:rolleyes:

I was secrety hoping you wouldn't accept my apology and we could drag this out.

nicnicnic

The-Rigger wrote:

I was secrety hoping you wouldn't accept my apology and we could drag this out.

guess I'm just a big softy