Applied computing WIT or Computer Science UCD?

Sully

Yes thats the BSc Hons in App. Comp.

Not sure how it will work, I thought it might be a subject requirement you might have missed or just below the points. But ask anyway.

christophicus

Yeah its both, sure , there is no harm in asking anyway . I'll just be happy if I can get into Applied computing from Commercial Computing. Although obviously it would be great if I could somehow get into Applied computing straight away. Releasitically I doubt it will happen though Its Mairead Meagher that I have to get in contact with isnt it?

cyberwit

Course Leader is Mary Lyng

cyberwit

If you want to change to another course straight away don't wait to long you would have approx 2 weeks to change course after which they will not allow you. It happened to a girl in my course. If you want to wait its a three year degree BSc Commercial Computing, people whom still want to a leave after two years can get a higher cert and you can transfer into the second year of Applied Comnputing from that point.

christophicus

Thanks for the information cyberwit, its much appreciated.

Would it actually be possible for me to move to Applied computing, even though I did not get the points / requirements??

cyberwit

Ask the course learder she is extremly helpful. I would not know. But don't wait around to long to find out because two long and you will not be able to change into any course for two years.

cyberwit

Look at the course and points requirements for commercial computing even though you may not have all the requirements or point for that course you are lucky they still offer the course to you. It happens so there is every chance they would allow you into applied computing straight away again ask the course leader.

pointofnoreturn

Hi, for someone coming from another IT, after completing Ordinary Degree in Computers, whats the chances in apply to the 1yr honors Commercial software development? for this September?

ec18

the course leader for applied computing is mairead meagher, mary lyng must be commercial

pointofnoreturn

ec18 wrote:

the course leader for applied computing is mairead meagher, mary lyng must be commercial

I think she may be for year 1,2 and 3, it shows a David Drohan for the Honors 1yr add-on http://www2.wit.ie/StudyatWIT/UndergraduateCourses/Science/BScHonsinCommercialSoftwareDev-WD068/

Sully

Lads dont be getting confused here.

1) Mairead Meagher is the course leader of the BSc (Hons) in Applied Computing. If you wish to go directly into that course, ask her.

2) Mary Lyng is the course leader of the certificate course in Commercial Computing (discussed at length here). If you want to know more about it, ask her. If you want to know can you transfer after X years, ask her.

Cyber isnt being very specific, but im assuming he is reffering to the fact you cant decide half way through your course that you want to move into another course. Thats totaly different to the transfer windows open to you after the few years in Commercial Computing - which is the idea of the course.

Hope that helps!

pointofnoreturn

Lads dont be getting confused here.

1) Mairead Meagher is the course leader of the BSc (Hons) in Applied Computing. If you wish to go directly into that course, ask her.

2) Mary Lyng is the course leader of the certificate course in Commercial Computing (discussed at length here). If you want to know more about it, ask her. If you want to know can you transfer after X years, ask her.

Ok, cool Sully!, thinks are leveled out then! as regards contacts

So can anyone tell me if it's tool late to apply for the Commercial software development course? i check the dates the course commences (11th Sept) on but and it's just after the week that i've a few repeats, so i'm hoping that it won't hold me up well at least if i pass them all the i can still get accepted.;)

Sully

You need to talk to the course leader of your current course. He/She will advise if you can move over to the course.

cyberwit

The course leader 1st years in BSc Commercial Computing will meet is Mary Lyng
There are no more Higher Certs

cyberwit

pointofnoreturn wrote:

I think she may be for year 1,2 and 3, it shows a David Drohan for the Honors 1yr add-on http://www2.wit.ie/StudyatWIT/UndergraduateCourses/Science/BScHonsinCommercialSoftwareDev-WD068/

The following link will provide you with info regarding transfer into Commercial Software Development the deadline for applications has passed

http://www2.wit.ie/StudyatWIT/UndergraduateCourses/DirectApplications/

Deadline was 22nd June 2007

pointofnoreturn

****! a feck it! i might give it a chance anyways i emailed them about it alight and they said you can go down as a late applicant but it had to go through the board for review so thats what worries me because of my repeats with my own college!. Been their for 4 years! now. In GMIT and it's another 2 years for the Honors and i'm tired of the place, The Course boast about being well recognized in industry! but their not much to boast about it's just Jave, and more Jave their is alot of other stuff but not enough on the business side of things and i've found after doing a few interviews for jobs that your better off having some knowledge on how development works! never mind knowing how to program!

Is their anyone hear going into this years Commercial Software Dev Course?

JPA

pointofnoreturn wrote:

****! a feck it! i might give it a chance anyways i emailed them about it alight and they said you can go down as a late applicant but it had to go through the board for review so thats what worries me because of my repeats with my own college!. Been their for 4 years! now. In GMIT and it's another 2 years for the Honors and i'm tired of the place, The Course boast about being well recognized in industry! but their not much to boast about it's just Jave, and more Jave their is alot of other stuff but not enough on the business side of things and i've found after doing a few interviews for jobs that your better off having some knowledge on how development works! never mind knowing how to program!

Is their anyone hear going into this years Commercial Software Dev Course?

If you have the qualifications they will let you in. don't worry about dates at all.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Hi All,

I did AC a few years ago (2002 grad).

I would worry about taking on AC if you didn't get the Maths requirement in the Leaving Cert. Maybe going through CC till you catch up and transferring in 2 years is the way to go. Employers only look at your final degree, not how you got there.

When I was in 4th year the CC Final Year projects were pretty much the same as our DB module projects. I would get into AC if I were you, but I would wait until you have caught up. You don't want to get in just to fail the maths.

If you are determined to talk to Mairead, bear in mind that she is a programmer and will appreciate somebody who wants to program. I always found her to be firm but fair.

christophicus

Thanks for that man. I sent her an email. She seemed to think that even if I did two years CC and then went into 2nd year AC that the fact I did not do well in maths in the LC could still be a hinderance to me.

Sully

Ya well Maths is pretty damn tough - even for those who did well in the L.C.

ec18

Sully wrote:

Ya well Maths is pretty damn tough - even for those who did well in the L.C.

Very true

pointofnoreturn

Hi, this might be off topic, but where can yah look up exam papers for any of the computer science courses @ WIT?

Sully

Only some of them are available, and they can only be viewed from a computer within the college network. If you know which ones your looking for (if related to Applied Computing) ill see about getting them for you.

pointofnoreturn

Sully wrote:

Only some of them are available, and they can only be viewed from a computer within the college network. If you know which ones your looking for (if related to Applied Computing) ill see about getting them for you.

Ok Cool, looking for the ones for Computing in Commercial Software Development

LenovoUser

Rawr! wrote: »

Yep.... Not for much longer tho...

Rawr, take an old codger's advice and stay put !

It'S ten times worse in the Trinity Computer Science Department, one of the dirtiest and roughest degrees you could possibly do !

I did the Manufacturing Technology National Certificate in Engineering in WIT back in 2002, and passed it with flying honours, you couldn't possibly be in a better College than WIT !

Trinty CS Degree is world class, and we students are expected to shed our last drop of blood to maintain the high standard here of being in the top fifty universities in the world .

And the CS degree here is taking on places like MIT in America, chrissake .

It's dog rough, easily twice as hard as CS in UCD, most of the class are Geeks, don't ask questions, don't hardly talk to one another, don't dare talk to the girls, don't go out, don't go to pubs or clubs, live for their laptops and programming ( though they fall back a bit at electronics etc ).

Maths ( not too bad ), Java ( deadly in the written exams coming up and marked unmercifully by Professor Vinny Cahill, a hard man but a brilliant teacher, not approachable ), Assembly ( a Dead Language, tough, but taught by a nice guy called Dr. Jonathan Dukes ) , Digital Design ( foul !, taught by a chap called Dr. Brian Coghlan with an accent that would kn ock Winston Churchill down ! - that subject as taught in Trinity Freshman year has no end, again ANYTHING can appear on the exam paper, Brian calls it a " challenge " - a " challenge " in Trinity is something they have never taught you ! ), Electrotechnology, Data Communications and Networking taught by a nice ordinary approachable guy called Dr. Eamonn
O'Nuallain ( the programmer Geeks hate him ! ), and finally " Computers and Society " taught by the best of them all, a wily Cork philosopher type called Brendan Tangney FTCD - Fellow of Trinity College Dublin. Oh and there's the Project in Graphics, based on Processing Java language, a really horny twisted one !

They think nothing of failing one-third of the Junior Freshman class every year, as first years are looked upon as expendable ! Attendance is compulsory, you are allowed two absences a year !!! Otherwise you could get an NS ( Non Satisfactory, two NS and a lecturer could bar you from his/her exams ! Though they're not quite as strict as they used to be, Thank God . This is because in Trinity the lecturers don't depend on teaching ( they do precious little teaching anyway, they get assessed and promoted on producing research papers for the various learned journals.

But Trinity is a fabulous place to be, though I'm doing a fourteen hour day now for the exams, seven days a week, it's murder ! But, as one of the brightest in WIT in my time ( got 100 % in maths in the final cert there under Alex McDwyer and Annie Stapleton ), I'm hoping for a pass without any repeats in Trinity CS !!!

That said, anybody who wants to have an easy time in Trinity, pick Arts, history, English etc. Then you'll have a fab social life in the middle of town too !

You'd be a fool, Rawr, to leave CS in WIT !!! But if you do, go to UCD if you want an easy Computer Science degree - avoid Trinity CS like they're out plague because they're out to beat the world and you have to be an Einstein, a Stephen Hawking even to get a second-class honours degree here .

That said, you will learn much more practical applied stuff that will be useful at WIT than you ever will at Trinity . And employers know that too - several of the Geeks in my class are unemployable, so they'll probably go on to the staff in Trinity in years to come .

Stephen Norton of WIT is probably the best Electronics Lecturer anywhere, including TCD, he graduated from here. My own pal Tom Weymss is a postgraduate student down there teaching Maths, he's brilliant !

BTW You are not taught for the exams at Trinity ! You are taught and shaped into being a Trinity person, Service, Homour, Truthh, important things like that, the lecturers will tell you that and they will refuse to even produce a past exam paper, let alone show you how to do it, you depend a lot on the young demonstrators, and they vary in interest .

I think you're feeling happier already at WIT, Rawr, STAY THERE !!!

( Kilkenny ) .

BTW The poster who says that C++ is on the way out and that Java is taking over, is right, though we do them all in Trinity . BUT C++ is still needed for a few applications that Java can't handle . Best learn Java off by heart as it will all the easier let you do 90 percent of your work in future years when they tell you to use any programming language you like .

Pity me.....

( Kilkenny )

Tip : An easy way out in Trinity CS is to take the CSLL Degree here, Computer Science, Linguistics and a Language, that wouldn't be any tougher than WIT or UCD .

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

Rawr, take an old codger's advice and stay put !

It'S ten times worse in the Trinity Computer Science Department, one of the dirtiest and roughest degrees you could possibly do !

I did the Manufacturing Technology National Certificate in Engineering in WIT back in 2002, and passed it with flying honours, you couldn't possibly be in a better College than WIT !

Trinty CS Degree is world class, and we students are expected to shed our last drop of blood to maintain the high standard here of being in the top fifty universities in the world .

And the CS degree here is taking on places like MIT in America, chrissake .

It's dog rough, easily twice as hard as CS in UCD, most of the class are Geeks, don't ask questions, don't hardly talk to one another, don't dare talk to the girls, don't go out, don't go to pubs or clubs, live for their laptops and programming ( though they fall back a bit at electronics etc ).

Maths ( not too bad ), Java ( deadly in the written exams coming up and marked unmercifully by Professor Vinny Cahill, a hard man but a brilliant teacher, not approachable ), Assembly ( a Dead Language, tough, but taught by a nice guy called Dr. Jonathan Dukes ) , Digital Design ( foul !, taught by a chap called Dr. Brian Coghlan with an accent that would kn ock Winston Churchill down ! - that subject as taught in Trinity Freshman year has no end, again ANYTHING can appear on the exam paper, Brian calls it a " challenge " - a " challenge " in Trinity is something they have never taught you ! ), Electrotechnology, Data Communications and Networking taught by a nice ordinary approachable guy called Dr. Eamonn
O'Nuallain ( the programmer Geeks hate him ! ), and finally " Computers and Society " taught by the best of them all, a wily Cork philosopher type called Brendan Tangney FTCD - Fellow of Trinity College Dublin. Oh and there's the Project in Graphics, based on Processing Java language, a really horny twisted one !

They think nothing of failing one-third of the Junior Freshman class every year, as first years are looked upon as expendable ! Attendance is compulsory, you are allowed two absences a year !!! Otherwise you could get an NS ( Non Satisfactory, two NS and a lecturer could bar you from his/her exams ! Though they're not quite as strict as they used to be, Thank God . This is because in Trinity the lecturers don't depend on teaching ( they do precious little teaching anyway, they get assessed and promoted on producing research papers for the various learned journals.

But Trinity is a fabulous place to be, though I'm doing a fourteen hour day now for the exams, seven days a week, it's murder ! But, as one of the brightest in WIT in my time ( got 100 % in maths in the final cert there under Alex McDwyer and Annie Stapleton ), I'm hoping for a pass without any repeats in Trinity CS !!!

That said, anybody who wants to have an easy time in Trinity, pick Arts, history, English etc. Then you'll have a fab social life in the middle of town too !

You'd be a fool, Rawr, to leave CS in WIT !!! But if you do, go to UCD if you want an easy Computer Science degree - avoid Trinity CS like they're out plague because they're out to beat the world and you have to be an Einstein, a Stephen Hawking even to get a second-class honours degree here .

That said, you will learn much more practical applied stuff that will be useful at WIT than you ever will at Trinity . And employers know that too - several of the Geeks in my class are unemployable, so they'll probably go on to the staff in Trinity in years to come .

Stephen Norton of WIT is probably the best Electronics Lecturer anywhere, including TCD, he graduated from here. My own pal Tom Weymss is a postgraduate student down there teaching Maths, he's brilliant !

BTW You are not taught for the exams at Trinity ! You are taught and shaped into being a Trinity person, Service, Homour, Truthh, important things like that, the lecturers will tell you that and they will refuse to even produce a past exam paper, let alone show you how to do it, you depend a lot on the young demonstrators, and they vary in interest .

I think you're feeling happier already at WIT, Rawr, STAY THERE !!!

( Kilkenny ) .

BTW The poster who says that C++ is on the way out and that Java is taking over, is right, though we do them all in Trinity . BUT C++ is still needed for a few applications that Java can't handle . Best learn Java off by heart as it will all the easier let you do 90 percent of your work in future years when they tell you to use any programming language you like .

Pity me.....

( Kilkenny )

Tip : An easy way out in Trinity CS is to take the CSLL Degree here, Computer Science, Linguistics and a Language, that wouldn't be any tougher than WIT or UCD .

BTW I find that programmers, generally, are the very worst people to appeal to with a problem, they are inflexible ! You are far better off talking to an engineer ( best of all ) about a problem, also to scientists and mathematicians.

LenovoUser

cyberwit wrote: »

FOR those of us whom know what we are studying:
Current computer courses offered by WIT

Three years ordinary degree courses (3 years)
BSc Commercial Computing*
BSc Information Technology*
BSc Multimedia Applications Development*

Four years Honours degree courses (4 years)
BSc Hons in Physics with Computing
BSc Applied Computing

*Honours degrees for those whom successfully completed one of the ordinary degree's mentioned above (1 year after three years of BSc)
BSc Hons Commercial Software Development
BSc Hons Information Technology

Physics + Computing, now that's my style !
I'm tempted to escape from CS here in Trinity to do that !
WIT is the best place in Ireland for Applied Science/Electronics .

LenovoUser

cyberwit wrote: »

FOR those of us whom know what we are studying:
Current computer courses offered by WIT

Three years ordinary degree courses (3 years)
BSc Commercial Computing*
BSc Information Technology*
BSc Multimedia Applications Development*

Four years Honours degree courses (4 years)
BSc Hons in Physics with Computing
BSc Applied Computing

*Honours degrees for those whom successfully completed one of the ordinary degree's mentioned above (1 year after three years of BSc)
BSc Hons Commercial Software Development
BSc Hons Information Technology

WIT also has the best Automation and Control Technology course in the country, I know, I did it, final eng cert, 2002 under a fabulous lecturer called Paul Allen . got a B -

And anybody for Maths ? UCC has the reputation there !

Trinity now has the best CS Degree in the British Isles.
But we sweat blood to hold that reputation, it ain't easy !
We're up against the best that the Yanks and the Japs and the Germans have now, wish us luck - and several of them are in CS in Trinity, but it's blood, sweat and tears , man. How I yearn for WIT at times, it's civilised there compared to CS TCD, but we get on to Artifical Intelligence in Third Year ( Junior Sophister ).
ALL degrees in Trinity are not that tough, how I look over in envy at Sociology, they're usually in the Pav, the college pub, you're welcome .

Agh I think I'll switch to Theology - and tranquiliity !!!

Keep up the good work in WIT, still the best IT in Ireland, recognised abroad too . WIT a university ? You mightn't like that, because then the lecturers lose interest in teaching and go for research and publications, the sure way to promotion in the Uni's .

And Uni lecturers don't do things like lock the classroom door, chalk next week's final exam paper up on the board - with all the solutions, and tell us with a grin, " take it down fast lads, I have to wipe it off ! " A fabulous WIT Lecturer did that for us in 2002, we who got up into the ninety per cent will remain always grateful to that kind soul ! He shall remain nameless forever .

( He left WIT afterwards for a top job in Galway , he deserved that job because he will look after hopeless cases wherever he goes, all I dare say ) .

LenovoUser

Sully wrote: »

Awh thanks, im glad you think so highley of me



No, but clearly you got offended when I said Commercial Computing was supposed to be ****e. You went of on a big rant, so much you posted twice

I offered my opinion, and you offered yours. Face facts man, there two different courses and one is clearly better then the other! I didnt really provide inaccurate information, you can never get an accurate review on a course. Commercial is ****e by some peoples standards, and award winning by yours. Nobody can ever win that argument really.

This discussion started as a dicussion between Applied Computing or Computer Science, but ended up as a debate on Commercial Computing being ****e, which course did what Maths topic first, which course students can spell better and then stating the other IT Related courses (which I commented on with as much accuracy as possible, as the college is never going to be fully honest about it).



Well when I was in 6th year, thats not what I was told by the college. Things must have changed, forgive me for not keeping an eye on changes of a course I have no interest in.



Thanks for that useful piece of information. Ill value that, amongst your other posts.

Any computing cert from WIT is looked upon with special favour by the Trinity CS Interviewing Board - BUT best have top marks in Maths, and if you have Electrics, you're in ! Don't celebrate too soon though, that Junior Freshman CS Course in Trinity is now the toughest anywhere in the world. We suffer gladly though that year because we know that the Department is taking on the best in the world in Computer Science, to put Ireland on the map, and that is a cause worth fighting for. And if you can't stand the heat of that first year, no problem - UCD will take Trinity First Years into their second year ( where you can relax after the battle ) with open arms/. I am certain that there are students in WIT who can come to Trinity CS and help us, help Trinity, help Ireland, and help yourselves !

Regarding your little argument, I remember a time when I found Access database tough in WIT - and Electronics, Maths, Computing, Automation and Control, and Manufacturing Technology easy !!! It depends on what type of a brain one has. And some people from commercial computing backgrounds make excellent programmers - though they do struggle with Electrotechnology and Telecoms .But everybody somehow mullocks through - you need massive energy and dedication, hard work, and you'll get through in the end. No " genius " can afford to come to CS in Trinity and sit back, it's not that type of course - he would fail the exams !

BTW, Just one year in that Physics+Computing degree in WIT, and you would be welcome into Trinity CS with open arms !

longshanks

thats all well and good lenovouser, but you're answering posts from 2007