So who else is sick of shell to sea?

kevmy

fluffer wrote:

While I am absolutely no fan of the Gardai, I do believe that they acted correctly in this case. If an illegal gathering (remember the injunction) is pushing a car at me, I will stop them. How do I stop them? With my truncheon. Easy. They were warned. They knew it would happen. Fair.

That was hilarious. Totally sick of that auld English hippie of a teacher inside in the car. I loved it when they dragged her out of the car they should have brought the car away to so she couldn't come the next day. Did anyone else see what McDowell said the last day about her? Something along the lines of "If somebody has a job teaching they should be teaching the children and not taking sick days of work to go protesting" Brilliant calssic McDowell and he's actually right this time as well. Is anyone concerned that 4 Gardai were injured on Friday while doing their duty?

I'm from Mayo and they have very little support approx 100 locals the rest are bused in for "Days of Action". Safety isn't an issue, certainly not anymore Shell have implemented most of the recommendations from the Cassells report. They don't want the pipeline to blow up they want to give the people of the West of Ireland gas which they don't have at the moment. They want to make money doing it of course cos they're a business no problems there. But all of this annoys the loony left who don't give two hoots about the people in the West cos they won't get anyone elected here. They just hope it plays well with there supporters in other parts of the country.

I will say that Shell (and the taxpayer) are paying a very high price for Shells initial arrogance and ignoring of the locals.

J.R.HARTLEY

Diogenes wrote:

I do and one man's freedom fighter is another man's troublemaker.

The strikers were protrayed as communist troublemakers by the press in their day. And the business owners were perfectly legal to behave as they did. The strikers were fighting for a decent wage and decent standard of living, the shell to sea campaign is fighting aganist a dangerous gas pipeline to a gas field that has been sold off to a foreign company under terms that offer dubious benefit to this country.

And you're telling me I don't know much history?

These people aren't nimby's it's not as if the government cannot move a gas field is it?

Igy, the suggestion that a van moving at 5mph can run anything offer is daft, I think shoving the van in the direction of garda was stupid, but lets not blow it out of proportion here.

like for like obviously,
you just keep telling yourself your right,
btw the way you so vehemently object to anyone who doesn't agree with you or your points would stir suspicions that maybe your not a casual observer

Diogenes

Diogenes wrote:

Firstly indymedia.ie isn't one coherant voice. It is a self publishing website to try and claim indymedia is biased for the protestors is like claiming your post is the boards.ie position on rossport gas protest.

yeah because the indo doesn't have a serious anti sf bias, and myers has the most rational and logical position in the world.

Media is biased full stop. Indymedia will give you the undiluted version of the protestors point of view, to try and claim a website cannot report facts and is inherantly biased, is a sweeping generalisation.

It is very left leaning. No no paper is completly without bias, but from my readings there seems to be a large amount of crusties writing for it. Who are naturally going to side with what has turned into very left leaning protest.

Don't get me wrong, i found alot of their coverage very good at times. The Dublin riots spring to mind. Their tone is very much disestablishmentarian however. Ive always wanted to use that word!

Siogfinsceal

so can someone enlighten me what exactly are they p*ssed off bout over there? Its always in the news but the papers just assume you know whats goin gon but I don't have a clue - I know they are protesting but why?

kevmy

Siogfinsceal wrote:

so can someone enlighten me what exactly are they p*ssed off bout over there? Its always in the news but the papers just assume you know whats goin gon but I don't have a clue - I know they are protesting but why?

Good question. They initally felt that Shell was pushing the little man aside, CPOing their land to build a massive gas pipeline through it to bring gas from under the sea to a processing plant onshore.
A lot of people were piised of that Shell had very little consultation with the local community and there were also environmental concerns over the site picked to build the gas terminal. Shell agreed to make changes to the site and started talking to farmers about the project. Most people at this stage agreed to Shell's plans.
It really kicked of when five local men (from an area called Rossport)stopped Shell from starting work on the pipeline by staging a protest. Shell took out an injunction to make the men get out of the way or be put in jail. They wouldn't get out of the way so they went to jail. This was deemed by many to be heavy handed by Shell. They cited safety concerns and said they wanted the terminal built offshore (hence Shell to Sea). Shell don't want to do this as it would be less efficient and prohibitively expensive.
The men spent ~90 days in jail and raised massive publicity for their cause. The government instituted a review of the project with Peter Cassell's (a prominent trade unionist) to mediate. After the mediation Shell agreed to lower the pressure through the pipeline, reroute it slightly and make some other remedial works. This was not enough for some people. They wanted an offshore terminal or nothing.
So this present cycle of a small band of locals (~100 people including the five jailed men, school teacher Maura Harrington and independent TD Dr GErry Cowley) and a ragtag bunch of eco warriors, leftists, Provos and anti war protestors have continued to protest out side the work site. They want to stop the workers getting to there job but the Gardai have been told to keep the road clear as all efforts at mediation are now over.
There have been allegations of intimidation of workers by the protestors and the protestors have accused the Gardai of being heavyhanded. Shinners have also been accused of taking over the protest for their own political ends. Therefore we have the present ugly situation.

cjt156

Excellent summary, one question; who's side are the rapist pirates on again...?





(sorry)




Think we've formed a consensus here, no?

kevmy

cjt156 wrote:

Excellent summary, one question; who's side are the rapist pirates on again...?

Their always on the good side. ALWAYS

Savman

My solution works fine. I change the channel.

ArphaRima

On reflection, I guess what I was trying to say is that I hate gardai and I hate hippies. Its just that I REALLY REALLY REALLY hate hippies. F**cking hippies!

And middle aged opinionated schoolteachers with agendas. I have issues.

Steyr

fluffer wrote:

On reflection, I guess what I was trying to say is that I hate gardai and I hate hippies. Its just that I REALLY REALLY REALLY hate hippies. F**cking hippies!

And middle aged opinionated schoolteachers with agendas. I have issues.

What did the Gardai ever do to you ? I hate it when people say stupid ****e such as "oh its the Pigs" etc i love to rub it in but this place would be way worse if they were not around, who would ya go run to then.........Nuff said.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

fluffer wrote:

On reflection, I guess what I was trying to say is that I hate gardai and I hate hippies. Its just that I REALLY REALLY REALLY hate hippies. F**cking hippies!

And middle aged opinionated schoolteachers with agendas. I have issues.

And how many hippies do you know? And now many middle aged opinionated schoolteachers do you know?

Diogenes

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

like for like obviously,
you just keep telling yourself your right,
btw the way you so vehemently object to anyone who doesn't agree with you or your points would stir suspicions that maybe your not a casual observer

Wow nice, because you've not vehmently held your point of view.

You can claim I'm "not a casual observer" I am, I'm not a resident of rossport. I could cynically suggest you attitude and your bosterous defence of the Garda and abusive tone would suggest you have some ulterior motive for your defence of Garda and Shell. Particularly your attitude to claiming workers during the 1913 lockout were right to commit violent civil disobedience while the Shell protestors are commin thugs your failing to adhere to a injunction.

But hey, sauce for the goose eh?

Ronoc I don't doubt indymedia is biased, however I feel all media is biased and the attitude that because a paper is printed broadsheet it is more trustworthy. One needs to only look at the rantings of Jim Cusack in the Sindo, and the bizarre suggestions he makes, to be cynical of all media.

jimmycrackcorm

How does that teacher one get away with taking sick leave. She didn't look very sick to me on the news.

I'd love to be able to take sick leave for a protesting jaunt myself, but unfortunately I work in the private sector.

admiralofthefleet

lockon... wrote:

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong! I hate this leftist propaganda. Heres what Noel Demsey said:

‘‘The interconnectors [pipes used to bring gas from Ireland to Britain] are only designed to operate in one way. They could be changed but that would require Ireland to be fully self-sufficient in gas.”

This is a Fact. Given Russia has doubled its gas prices to Georgia, the corrib gas field will give Ireland much needed secuirty when these increases are passed down to us.

Anways, how the protesters enjoyed their hiding!:D

its not my propaganda, its just what i saw. im surprised you have so much belief in noel 'navan railway' dempsey

ArphaRima

And how many hippies do you know? And now many middle aged opinionated schoolteachers do you know?

Ok. So I know 5 Gardai personally. 3 Hippies and about 5 schoolteachers, 1 of whom fits the description.
I disagree with just about everything hippies say, they lack all ability to fit ideals into real policies.
Four out of the five gardai I know are somewhat lacking in mental capacity, and have been given a smidge of power. They are assholes. One of them is a good bloke from a career garda family.

What did the Gardai ever do to you ? I hate it when people say stupid ****e such as "oh its the Pigs"

I am not getting into a debate about gardai here. But I can cite the mayday riots as example. My friends who were media students at the time saw and recorded what happened. I saw their unedited footage. Gardai without badges, downright belligerent gardai etc. (the RTE footage was from their classmates) The subsequent investigations where no garda could recognise any of the gardai involved from the videotape. Great accountability. Thats one major example of why I love the gardai.

etc i love to rub it in but this place would be way worse if they were not around, who would ya go run to then

Because there are no other options does not mean I cannot complain, decry, criticize, and call for reform in the force we currently have.
Nobody can say take it or leave it for any public service. If the people are unhappy it is the service that must change. This is a democracy.
Then again somebody named after a military rifle may not get the subtle differences in government. You wouldnt happen to be in the armed forces now would you?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Diogenes wrote:

Media is biased full stop. Indymedia will give you the undiluted version of the protestors point of view, to try and claim a website cannot report facts and is inherantly biased, is a sweeping generalisation.

erm.... sorry now diogenes.
but one point of view is biased and one undiluted point of view is inherently biased.

http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=biased

Diogenes

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

erm.... sorry now diogenes.
but one point of view is biased and one undiluted point of view is inherently biased.

http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=biased

Wow did the point whistle when it flew over your head?

A poster claimed that indymedia was biased, and that for an unbiased opinion he recommended people should read the broadsheets like the indo or the times. I pointed out that all media is biased and claiming one isn't, is a joke. But hey you missed that.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Diogenes wrote:

I pointed out that all media is biased and claiming one isn't, is a joke.

always remember, look behind you when back peddling.:p

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Wexfordian2006 wrote:

The Provos have a hand in the protests judging by Sunday World coverage. McDowell has an opportunity now to bash them again.

sure i wouldn't be surprised if combat 18 were over for the conflict as well.

weather is getting cold now....time for the water cannons.
that will soon move the hippies and crusties on to a more comfortable/hospitable protest somewhere else.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Wexfordian2006 wrote:

The Provos have a hand in the protests judging by Sunday World coverage

Now THERE'S where your post lost all credibility....

kevmy

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Now THERE'S where your post lost all credibility....

LOL too true, too true.
They're right on this occasion though. Their is a SF councillor from Mayo who is now supporting the Rossport 5 but stayed away at the outset until he got word from headquarters to join up with them. There are also recruitment drives in NUIG to bus people up to Rossport. This is run by the Anti-War Alliance in the college which is run, in the main, by SF and other loony lefters in the college.

Blackjack

kevmy wrote:

They're right on this occasion though. Their is a SF councillor from Mayo who is now supporting the Rossport 5 but stayed away at the outset until he got word from headquarters to join up with them.

I find that hard to believe that any SF councillor stayed away, given one of the Rossport 5 has been a lifetime supporter and I believe member of Sinn Fein, and I know for a fact that some if not all of his Children (all grown up now) are Sinn Fein supporters - one I believe is the Chairperson (or whatever their equivalent would be) for Mayo SF.

I'm not a supporter of SF before anyone decides to level any accusations of same in my direction.

gurramok

Is this justified?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVCwX5zXcg

Ste.phen

gurramok wrote:

Is this justified?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVCwX5zXcg

I dunno, what's the context?
it's mislabled too, says 'punched' instead of 'pushed'

afatbollix

lol what a twat... teh girl not the cop... he just pushed her into the ditch not punched her.. and then the tears... i loved the voice saying go home and beat up the wife....

****ing knobs all of them protesters and should be ran from the area... the cops should raid the place all the time checking for pot... and arrest people for breach of the peace... all of them.. park about 20 prision vans beside the protests and shout anyone on the road in 5 mins will be arressted...

searally thinking about doing a video against the protesters.... i have a polish in my class and hes against shell.. and i had a good argument about it... yet hes from poland living in dublin and is complaining about shell in mayo.... twat and id say most of the protesters arent even from mayo....

Steyr

gurramok wrote:

Is this justified?

YES.

ArphaRima

yet hes from poland living in dublin and is complaining about shell in mayo.... twat

Anto - Believe it or not him not being a citizen of Ireland does not mean he cannot have an opinion about irish affairs. Nor does it make your point more valid than his.
It just so happens I disagree with him.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

gurramok wrote:

Is this justified?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVCwX5zXcg

yes it is... did she have to resist. i would have locked her up for a week or two.

she would be good on and italian soccer team with a dive like that.

sunnyjim

She does look like she was pushed, and not punched.

kevmy

Blackjack wrote:

I find that hard to believe that any SF councillor stayed away,

I know but he did stay away initially, in an offical capacity at least, he may have been there as a private citizen. Then soon after the guys came ouuta jail and Central Command saw the way the wind was blowing they were all over it.