So who else is sick of shell to sea?

Having watched the scenes on RTE tonight I must say I have lost any bit of sympathy I had for the Corrib gas protesters.

This project has the support of the majority of the people in this country, the courts and an independant saftey review. Blatent scaremongering has incited the people of Westport to fever pitch. I blame the far left activists and the ever present rent a protest crowd. And of course shinners is never far from a violent protest when there is mud to be thrown in the governments eye.

Just read through shell to sea web site. You can see the sort of crap they are pushing down the Westport residents gobs.

Like it or not the govenment did this deal many years ago; short of turning the nation into a communist state there is nothing the corrib gas protesters can do.

So I leave you with this point
*"The gas extracted provides no benifit to the people of ireland"
- Taxes levied on shells operation, employment in the area, the fact we have imported gas from abroad for years based on the fact we would make this gas field available and who knows how many other favourable deals were done in europe based on this.

pbsuxok1znja4r

Meh, I've had no trouble living my life entirely oblivious to whatever this Shell crap is up till now and I'm sure I'll have no problem in continuing to do so. So like I said; Meh.

Donald-Duck

I'm sick of seeing them on the news and hearing about them

Thrill

scouser.tommy wrote:

Meh, I've had no trouble living my life entirely oblivious to whatever this Shell crap is up till now and I'm sure I'll have no problem in continuing to do so. So like I said; Meh.

I for one second that opinion and if the price of gas goes down, then so much the better. Meh also

Sparky

Did you happen to see where the two guards dropped that guy over the barrier!
That was a bit much imo.

admiralofthefleet

ireland as a nation is opposed to development, look at the second runway at dublin airport, greystones harbour, ballsbridge, the sandyford tower, corrib etc...
but having said that is it true that ireland is giving away the gas from corrib, i saw one of those posters saying that norway and other countries were getting the gas and ireland was getting none.
if that is the case then i have full support for shell to sea, if not then i have no support for them and they should not be allowed to stand (or fall) in the way of a development that will benifit the country.

jimmycrackcorm

Apparently according to one of the protestors there is going to be open war. I'm looking forward to the shock and awe tactics of the Irish army.

As for that stupid name, it would be like starting a boards.ie to ram protest.

magick

Did you happen to see where the two guards dropped that guy over the barrier!
That was a bit much imo.

A bit much?! give me more pity it wasnt a cliff with rapist pirates !!

peaceful protest..........me feck on tha!!6

padi89

Sparky-s wrote:

Did you happen to see where the two guards dropped that guy over the barrier!
That was a bit much imo.

I would have thrown the fecker over too and gave him a rap on the head with me batton.Im sick of hearing about it all now and when i saw the likes of Swampy Eco Warrior Crustys sitting on the road on the news last night i thought "ah well there goes all credibility".

Heisenberg.

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Steffano2002

Sparky-s wrote:

Did you happen to see where the two guards dropped that guy over the barrier!
That was a bit much imo.

That was hilarious!

Steffano2002

magick wrote:

A bit much?! give me more pity it wasnt a cliff with rapist pirates !!

LOLLLLLLLLL

Rb

scouser.tommy wrote:

Meh, I've had no trouble living my life entirely oblivious to whatever this Shell crap is up till now and I'm sure I'll have no problem in continuing to do so. So like I said; Meh.

Thirded (?). meh.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Sparky-s wrote:

Did you happen to see where the two guards dropped that guy over the barrier!
That was a bit much imo.

Wondered about that - are they legally able to do that? Arresting and detaining is all very well, but actullay chucking someone over a barrier and into a ditch?

Without knowing the ins and outs of the Corrib debate, If I'm ever in a position where I have to defend myself or a belief against the guards, I'd be seriously pissed off if this was the attitude.

Tom Dunne

Sparky-s wrote:

Did you happen to see where the two guards dropped that guy over the barrier!
That was a bit much imo.

A bit much? All too similar to the May Day riots - untrained, incompetent gobsite Gardai who can't handle a situation.

Steyr

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Wondered about that - are they legally able to do that?

**** em they deserved it, An Garda Siochana gave them loads of warnings, they didnt move so force was used, i would have lobbed all them over. The majority of them were Sinn Feiners anyway so i would have been doing everybody a favour.:D

Wishbone Ash

Steyr wrote:

The majority of them were Sinn Feiners anyway so i would have been doing everybody a favour.:D

Yup, the usual development where people travel miles from their own home to have their 'rights' infringed. :rolleyes: Peaceful protest my árse.

faceman

Have any groups of protestors ever won their case in ireland in recent times?

Steyr

faceman wrote:

Have any groups of protestors ever won their case in ireland in recent times?

Ya those Anti War fools who hacked a US Navys "War Plane" Nosecone at Shannon, total idiots, the Aircraft in fact was just a converted Boeing 737 which did not carry Weapons or was/is capable of carrying Weapons. Again...Fools.

In fact has anybody noticed that alot of them are not even Irish, the mojority of them are English and come over to here and other patrs of Europe as the plod in the UK are after them at home:mad: They make my blood boil and whats with them wearing "Combat" clothing?:mad: Fools.

faceman

Steyr wrote:

Ya those Anti War fools who hacked a US Navys "War Plane" Nosecone at Shannon, total idiots, the Aircraft in fact was just a converted Boeing 737 which did not carry Weapons or was/is capable of carrying Weapons. Again...Fools.

In fact has anybody noticed that alot of them are not even Irish, the mojority of them are English and come over to here and other patrs of Europe as the plod in the UK are after them at home:mad: They make my blood boil and whats with them wearing "Combat" clothing?:mad: Fools.

if you think they're bad you want to see the anti animal cruelty nut jobs who protest outside pharmaceutical companies!!

Wishbone Ash

Steyr wrote:

In fact has anybody noticed that alot of them are not even Irish, the mojority of them are English and come over to here and other patrs of Europe as the plod in the UK are after them at home:mad: They make my blood boil and whats with them wearing "Combat" clothing?:mad: Fools.

Yes, remember those 'warriors' in the Glen of the Downs who left all the litter after them. My favourite incident there was the swampy who chained himself to the front of a Hino tipper truck and swallowed the key. He thought he was the business. The driver of the truck just removed the very heavy steel front bumper and left swampy with it on his back. What a muppet!

subway

fuck the lot of them,
motherfuckin hippie retards.

not one of them can see further than their own crusty nose to understand how anything more than a vegan food giveaway can work in a normal society

Steyr

faceman wrote:

if you think they're bad you want to see the anti animal cruelty nut jobs who protest outside pharmaceutical companies!!

Are they just as bad or worse?

Steyr

subway wrote:

fuck the lot of them,
motherfuckin hippie retards.

not one of them can see further than their own crusty nose to understand how anything more than a vegan food giveaway can work in a normal society

Thank you, more like minded people wanna join my gang?:D

Steyr

faceman wrote:

if you think they're bad you want to see the anti animal cruelty nut jobs who protest outside pharmaceutical companies!!

They make me sick the lot of them

mike65

I love the soviet-era commie styled language the crusties/indymedia types use.

Evening of Activist video and "DANCE, DANCE, DANCE YOUR ANGERS AND YOUR JOYS FOR WE SEE TOMORROW AND THERE IS AN OGONI STAR IN THE SKY." - Ken Saro-Wiwa, murdered by Shell.

Shame on the Guards & their masters in Dublin! From Catalonia I send you the protesters of both a national issue and one with obvious global implications - sympathy & solidarity & encouragement.

Shell itself regards the free state governemnt as little more than a compliant tribal cheif , and the state regards it as its duty to serve the interests of the British establishment and the yankee Landlords in a servile manner, just as Ray Burke and Des O'Malley could sell the future of Ireland to foreigners for a few baubles and blankets and perhaps a top hat . What we are witnessing in Mayo is colonialism in action

The No23 Leninist Collective farm Workers send best wishes across Socialist Europe to our like-minded comrades in the struggle against international capitalist tyranny. We have named our latest vegetable variation in honour of your fight - The Rossport Beetroot tastes very good!
It tastes of victory!

Mike.

Idbatterim

Imprison the lot of them till the project is done, then invite them as guests of honour to the grand opening! anti development scum!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Steyr wrote:

**** em they deserved it, An Garda Siochana gave them loads of warnings, they didnt move so force was used, i would have lobbed all them over. The majority of them were Sinn Feiners anyway so i would have been doing everybody a favour.:D

Trying to work out are a left wing Anarchist who wants a complete ethnic-clensing style armed free-for-all or a conservative nutjob who wants hanging for everyone who doesn't see everything exactly the same way you do.

Force, to the best of my knowledge, can only be used to detain or in self defence. Warnings were given, but the Gardai were the physical aggressors and no matter how much muppetry was going on, it doesn't gave them the right to break the laws they're paid to uphold.

subway

Steyr wrote:

Thank you, more like minded people wanna join my gang?:D

where do i sign,

would it be legal for us to hold a sit down protest against the "shell to sea" camapaign?
we could block them from reaching their protest sites....

mike65

Heh! Bet RTE would'nt film the resulting riot.

Mike.

johnnyrotten

tom dunne wrote:

A bit much? All too similar to the May Day riots - untrained, incompetent gobsite Gardai who can't handle a situation.

Yeah, I agree. They should have sent in the Riot Squad and really beat the $h!t out of them!;)

gurramok

Steyr wrote:

In fact has anybody noticed that alot of them are not even Irish, the mojority of them are English and come over to here and other patrs of Europe as the plod in the UK are after them at home:mad: They make my blood boil and whats with them wearing "Combat" clothing?:mad: Fools.

How do you know?

I heard alot of country accents in the reports.

gandalf

mike65 wrote:

I love the soviet-era commie styled language the crusties/indymedia types use.

The No23 Leninist Collective farm Workers send best wishes across Socialist Europe to our like-minded comrades in the struggle against international capitalist tyranny. We have named our latest vegetable variation in honour of your fight - The Rossport Beetroot tastes very good!
It tastes of victory!

Mike.

LOL that last one just has to be a pisstake. Hehehe Rossport Beetroot, the only beet I see is the beat of the Garda baton on their chrusty and chuckie heads

Hmmm we could make it reality TV, call it Rossport Idol.....

Sam Vimes

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Force, to the best of my knowledge, can only be used to detain or in self defence. Warnings were given, but the Gardai were the physical aggressors and no matter how much muppetry was going on, it doesn't gave them the right to break the laws they're paid to uphold.

not for a garda afaik. if a garda always had to wait until someone punched or stabbed them, there'd be a lot of dead gardai

shell to sea are just annoying at this stage. i was listening to one of them on the radio the other day and he was calling for a public inquiry, which would of course cost millions and take years. then he made it abundantly clear (without actually saying it) that the group wouldn't accept the inquiry's recommendation unless it went their way, putting us in exactly the same position.

there have already been public inquiries. the govt and shell decided long ago that they were putting a treatment plant in rossport. if the people don't want to live near one, they can move

shell's engineers have said that putting the treatment plant out to sea is unfeasible for a project like this. i trust that these engineers went to college for a few years and know more about refining gas than the good people of rossport.

these people don't trust that the shell engineers can make a plant that doesn't explode. but all of us put our lives in the hands of engineers dozens of times every day. if they don't have it in them to trust engineers, they may as well go and live naked in the woods

Wishbone Ash

gurramok wrote:

How do you know?

I heard alot of country accents in the reports.

I think Steyr means protests in general. I have often noticed that when there is a protest about mobile telephone masts or windfarms, the persons representing the group speaks with a British accent (while others in the background are using their mobile telephones :rolleyes:).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Commander Vimes wrote:

not for a garda afaik. if a garda always had to wait until someone punched or stabbed them, there'd be a lot of dead gardai

shell to sea are just annoying at this stage. i was listening to one of them on the radio the other day and he was calling for a public inquiry, which would of course cost millions and take years. then he made it abundantly clear (without actually saying it) that the group wouldn't accept the inquiry's recommendation unless it went their way, putting us in exactly the same position.

there have already been public inquiries. the govt and shell decided long ago that they were putting a treatment plant in rossport. if the people don't want to live near one, they can move

shell's engineers have said that putting the treatment plant out to sea is unfeasible for a project like this. i trust that these engineers went to college for a few years and know more about refining gas than the good people of rossport.

these people don't trust that the shell engineers can make a plant that doesn't explode. but all of us put our lives in the hands of engineers dozens of times every day. if they don't have it in them to trust engineers, they may as well go and live naked in the woods

What about force to detain...? Not saying anyone has to wait until their punched...

The rest of my comments are meant at protests in general. It's all very well shrugging your shoulders and saying oh well, if you don't like it, you can always move, but if something was happenign in your backyard that you didn't like, would you sit back and endure it or protest?

Wishbone Ash

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

something was happenign in your backyard that you didn't like, would you sit back and endure it or protest?

There is a big difference between a peaceful protest and blocking a public road and preventing employees legitimate rights to go to work. Shell went through a long drawn out process to obtain planning permission. It also won an injunction against these people. It is not in all of the protesters 'back yard'. Sinn fein had organised buses from other counties and many people came over from Dublin to have their 'rights infringed'.

AFAIK permission is now required to organise a protest - none was given. It is a bit ironic that people who were reciting the rosary last week are now striking Gardai and using foul language.

J.R.HARTLEY

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Force, to the best of my knowledge, can only be used to detain or in self defence. Warnings were given, but the Gardai were the physical aggressors and no matter how much muppetry was going on, it doesn't gave them the right to break the laws they're paid to uphold.

Force can be used to remove people illegaly blocking public or private throughways that they may blocking.
for gods sake if they sat down in your doorway or in front of your house blocking your driveway tomorrow you'd be screaming at the gardai to move them

Badly Drunk Boy

Commander Vimes wrote:

the govt and shell decided long ago that they were putting a treatment plant in rossport. if the people don't want to live near one, they can move

What gives Shell the right to have a say in this decision? Fair enough, the government can, but why would they? I wonder if there were (m)any brown envelopes involved...

Shell is a private company. Why should they be allowed to take our natural resources? Because they have money behind them?

The protesting Crusty in this sort of situation can be annoying, but sometimes they have a point. Don't let their image distract you from the point that our resources are being taken, in return for relatively few (but dangerous) jobs, while making the area dangerous for the locals.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Wishbone Ash wrote:

There is a big difference between a peaceful protest and blocking a public road and preventing employees legitimate rights to go to work. Shell went through a long drawn out process to obtain planning permission. It also won an injunction against these people. It is not in all of the protesters 'back yard'. Sinn fein had organised buses from other counties and many people came over from Dublin to have their 'rights infringed'.

AFAIK permission is now required to organise a protest - none was given. It is a bit ironic that people who were reciting the rosary last week are now striking Gardai and using foul language.

Again, I was talking generally. If you support the gardai in this instance, do you support them if you ever find yourself on the recievng end...? As I've said before, I don't know the ins and outs of Rossport specifically, but there's a lot of people using language such as "retard hippies" and "give them an extra with the baton" who's attitudes would change PDQ if someone found oil under their flats on Dublin 9

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

Force can be used to remove people illegaly blocking public or private throughways that they may blocking.
for gods sake if they sat down in your doorway or in front of your house blocking your driveway tomorrow you'd be screaming at the gardai to move them

Does "force" mean a) removal and detention or b) throwing them over a barrier and nailing them with a baton.

If they sat down in my doorway I'd want to know why before I called the gards.

is_that_so

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

The rest of my comments are meant at protests in general. It's all very well shrugging your shoulders and saying oh well, if you don't like it, you can always move, but if something was happenign in your backyard that you didn't like, would you sit back and endure it or protest?

Yes, this is that insidious practice called nimbyism.

What I like or don't like may not be influenced by the general good. I can ask questions to understand why something is going to happen. In my part of the world even the protesters now acknowledge that an incineration plant at Duleek is required. What they now disagree with and I am with them on this is the possible expansion of it to include waste from beyond the North East. They now want to be part of the solution and that makes sense. Change is part of life and development is part of that. My reading of the Shell to Sea group is that even if they got a public enquiry, it would have to give them the answer they wanted. What Shell to Sea does, is give those around the fringes of society an opportunity to indulge their tired cliches and ultimately their fantasies for world domination.

J.R.HARTLEY

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Does "force" mean a) removal and detention or b) throwing them over a barrier and nailing them with a baton.

If they sat down in my doorway I'd want to know why before I called the gards.

depends on how they react, anyone resisting is going to require a greater effort, against an unarmed protestor though the baton should never be used, some of those people were reacting threatingly to the gardai when even a child can see that they are stuck in the middle of this mess, that teacher lady on liveline a few weeks back accused them of being in the pockets of shell! all rubbish, your comments help fuel these "liberals" and i'm sick of the uberintellectuals who go bashing gardai every time they are in action, is it any coincidence that while everything a garda does is scutinised to the nth degree that the country socially speaking is far worse than it was 20 years ago.

Wishbone Ash

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

that teacher lady on liveline a few weeks back accused them of being in the pockets of shell!

She seems to be able to dodge any questions regarding why she is not in school! I find her nauseating. She claimed yesterday that she had every right to bring her van on to the public highway. She convienently ignored that, while on a public highway, a motorist must follow any instruction given by a Garda.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

depends on how they react, anyone resisting is going to require a greater effort, against an unarmed protestor though the baton should never be used, some of those people were reacting threatingly to the gardai when even a child can see that they are stuck in the middle of this mess, that teacher lady on liveline a few weeks back accused them of being in the pockets of shell! all rubbish, your comments help fuel these "liberals" and i'm sick of the uberintellectuals who go bashing gardai every time they are in action, is it any coincidence that while everything a garda does is scutinised to the nth degree that the country socially speaking is far worse than it was 20 years ago.

Your initial question was how woudl I react. Come to think of it, no - it wasn't a question, it was a direct assumption that I'd

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

be screaming at the gardai to move them

and what exactly are you basing that on, anyway??

How do my comments fuel these "liberals"? What do you have against liberals?

Gardai in action deserve to be bashed if they go to far. And anyone has the right to criticise them and scrutinise them. If not, why is there such a thing as a Gardai Complaints Committee, or should we just assume they are always right and perfect in everything they do?

If you want the county "socially speaking" 20 years ago, can we extend the same rights to the Christian Brothers?

In conclusion - why do you beleive we should remain ignorant keep our heads down and trust the system blindly?

mike65

gandalf wrote:

LOL that last one just has to be a pisstake. Hehehe Rossport Beetroot, the only beet I see is the beat of the Garda baton on their chrusty and chuckie heads

Okay that was my own creative work!

Mike.

professore

Why don't people protest about issues that really matter - like the state of hospitals and schools - or Bertie's flagrant disregard for the law?

Wishbone Ash

professore wrote:

Bertie's flagrant disregard for the law?

????? Enlighten us!

is_that_so

Wishbone Ash wrote:

She claimed yesterday that she had every right to bring her van on to the public highway. She convienently ignored that, while on a public highway, a motorist must follow any instruction given by a Garda.

Wasn't this the mantra of the Orange Order in their confrontations with the PSNI of "their right to march along the Queen's highway" ? Not an argument and it shows an absence of any cogent logic in their protest.

J.R.HARTLEY

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Your initial question was how woudl I react. Come to think of it, no - it wasn't a question, it was a direct assumption that I'd and what exactly are you basing that on, anyway??

How do my comments fuel these "liberals"? What do you have against liberals?

Gardai in action deserve to be bashed if they go to far. And anyone has the right to criticise them and scrutinise them. If not, why is there such a thing as a Gardai Complaints Committee, or should we just assume they are always right and perfect in everything they do?

If you want the county "socially speaking" 20 years ago, can we extend the same rights to the Christian Brothers?

In conclusion - why do you beleive we should remain ignorant keep our heads down and trust the system blindly?

ok so it was an assumption, sorry, shouldn't have assumed, however why do you assume that i don't think the Gardai should ever be questioned and that we are all better off ignorant, it's a two way street, you can't criticise someone for something and then do it yourself.

i do not believe we should keep our heads down, i rather believe that there is a middle ground somewhere where not every garda is a saint and also not every garda is a vicous thug,the real world, and all too often the whole force is tarred with the same brush.
I have nothing against liberal minded people just the pretend "Liberals" hence the quotation marks, the people who get on their high horse about every little thing wrong in the state but are unwilling to actually do anything about it.


as for making smug comments about the christian brothers considering all the hurt associated with the case, bad form.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

ok so it was an assumption, sorry, shouldn't have assumed, however why do you assume that i don't think the Gardai should ever be questioned and that we are all better off ignorant, it's a two way street, you can't criticise someone for something and then do it yourself.

i do not believe we should keep our heads down, i rather believe that there is a middle ground somewhere where not every garda is a saint and also not every garda is a vicous thug,the real world, and all too often the whole force is tarred with the same brush.
I have nothing against liberal minded people just the pretend "Liberals" hence the quotation marks, the people who get on their high horse about every little thing wrong in the state but are unwilling to actually do anything about it.


as for making smug comments about the christian brothers considering all the hurt associated with the case, bad form.

I didn't assume anything, I based my opinions on words you yourself had written, especially those in which you implied that the Gardai are criticised too much and implied that society was far better socially 20 years ago because no one asked questions. The Christian Brothers comment was used to point out that society was NOT better 20 years ago, it was just projected as such because no one stood up and asked questions

There is middle ground, most defintiely, but a lot of the more conservative posters in this thread don't seem to acknowledge this, pereferring instead to believe that the gardai were automatcially correct to use violence and didn't use enough.