Why add such a noisy exhaust to your car? Its bloody annoying...

Seanie M

Yesterday evening, my fiancée and I were eating outside a restaurant in the centre of Tullamore, having a nice meal. Except for the amount of noisy 'boy racer' cars that kept driving by. Not that they were driving by us deliberately with their noisy hairdryer attachments to their exhausts. But at one point, as we were talking, a car went by and drowned me out completely that we had to pause our conversation for a couple of seconds before I had to repeat myself.

Its stupid to hear these noises, and some drivers appear to think there is a competition as to who has the noisiest exhaust. Do such drivers not realise that, in reality, it is NOT cool? It is noise pollution. Pollution that has been speculated to be brought into law to make such exhausts illegal. I hope so.

Even as a person that needs to sleep at night, like almost everybody else, I do hope so...

Seanie.

mloc123

Oh god, were you never young and foolish?

gyppo

Hi Seanie,

I'm often in Tullamore, and there seems to be a very large amount of 'boy Racers' there compared to other midland towns. I've also noticed a certain dealership (as you go over the canal bridge towards clara) always has 2/3 boy racer cast-off's in stock.
Is there something in the water over there?:D

PowerHouseDan

To be fair i hardly think they were going by you on purpose...Those people are young and think its cool.... Fortunely for most of us its not... But when you were young what did you do that pissed people off?I live over in Swansea and i agree its F**king annoying..While its not a huge factor during the day, but when they do it 2-3-4 o clock in the morning..

Vegeta

would you have been so annoyed if it was a tractor.

Just as loud at times

some people do upgrade the exhaust systems on their car as it offers performance boosts (these may not be road legal) but that is another reason they put them on.

Kersh

But whats the difference between a Ferrari F40, which is loud, and a 1.4 civic with a loud exhaust driving through a residential area. Surely the ferrari is quite legal as its 'stock', whereas the civic is illegal cos its modded.
Would the police stop a 360 stradale for noise issues?
I dont really know where I stand on this issue btw, as I have a 1 modded loud car, and 1 standard loud car.
Personally it doesnt bother me if a loud car drives by, provided they dont go by every 5 minutes

layke

Hi Sean,

Juniour minister Ivor Callely tried to pull a PR stunt by getting the exhausts banned but was removed before anything actually happening. EU has a regultion on exhaust noise which some cars break some do not.

Can you please explain 'boy racers' with 'hair dryer exhausts' a little more i'm curious do you mean all car modders or those who own micras with stick on exhausts. I drive a Honda Civic with a straight through exhaust, induction kit and shortened manifold and it's loudish when the revs get up but not defening.

Some sound good some don't. It's lucky you didn't live in the 70's/80's when motorbikes were everywhere, you would be deaf

On your point, personally it doesn't bother me one bit however I agree that some do sound too loud but thats a minority. Then again I am from noisey Dublin.

layke

Kersh wrote:

But whats the difference between a Ferrari F40, which is loud, and a 1.4 civic with a loud exhaust driving through a residential area. Surely the ferrari is quite legal as its 'stock', whereas the civic is illegal cos its modded.
Would the police stop a 360 stradale for noise issues?
I dont really know where I stand on this issue btw, as I have a 1 modded loud car, and 1 standard loud car.
Personally it doesnt bother me if a loud car drives by, provided they dont go by every 5 minutes

Because the old kodgers we have in the government seem to think it's ok to discriminate further with young people, those who ill be voting them out next election date.

There is nothing illegal about owning a different exhaust on your car.

kippy

Hmm.
There is a guy in our estate who has a small Honda Civic-fairly old but with one of these loud exhausts on it. He tends to use the car between 12 and 2 am mostly and its really really annoying. I dont really mind it earlier than that but most people are trying to get to sleep at those times. He is no boy racer and is proud of the car-but I dont think he has the intelligence to realise that the noise is annoying. I thought there were laws in place regarding noise emmissions from cars? Maybe not.
And as for the stupid tractor argument above....come on....not the same thing at all. A tractors noise is a necissity and the vehicle is needed by someone to make a living. In general you wont hear many tractors late at night either. Most of these cars are intentionally made louder by their owners to say "Hey look I have a shiny car with alloys and bodykit".
I dont mind the look of the car but I do have a major problem with hearing the fecking thing.
Kippy.

kikel

Give the poor guys a break. Everyone onto their own. Learn to tolerate others.

Do you feel the same way when the ice cream van passes with music blaring?

gyppo

layke wrote:

There is nothing illegal about owning a different exhaust on your car.

Are you sure on this point?

kippy

Tolerate others?
These guys go out to intentionally make their car louder, and in doing so will annoy people. I am generally very tolerant but as I said when they drive these car late at night they are showing they have very little respect for other people-why should I tolerate them when what they have done to their car is not a necissity but an ego trip. As I said, I have no problem with the visual impact.
Ice Cream vans-completely different. I dont see too many ice cream vans going round after dark.
Kippy

Vegeta

kippy wrote:

And as for the stupid tractor argument above....come on....not the same thing at all.

replace tractor with motorbike, high powered car with stock exhaust or any loud vehicle.

The arguement still stands

Vegeta

kippy wrote:

Tolerate others?
These guys go out to intentionally make their car louder, and in doing so will annoy people. I am generally very tolerant but as I said when they drive these car late at night they are showing they have very little respect for other people-why should I tolerate them when what they have done to their car is not a necissity but an ego trip. As I said, I have no problem with the visual impact.
Ice Cream vans-completely different. I dont see too many ice cream vans going round after dark.
Kippy

again what if the car is a loud car out of the box. Are they allowed to make noise and a car with after market exhaust isn't???

gyppo

Vegeta wrote:

replace tractor with motorbike, high powered car with stock exhaust or any loud vehicle.

The arguement still stands

I Think Kippy's point was there is no necessity for non-stock exhaust systems (loud!) on standard cars.

kippy

replace tractor with motorbike, high powered car with stock exhaust or any loud vehicle.

The arguement still stands

A vehicle that has been INTENTIONALLY modified to make the engine sound louder is what my main gripe is. Mainly because there are so many of them.
There arent that many highpowered cars around. Most of these loud cars are little farts of things that the owners modify.

mloc123

kippy wrote:

Most of these loud cars are little farts of things that the owners modify.

I think you'll find that these days most of them will be peformance Jap imports and the reason for the exhausts is to allow for greater flow.

gyppo

gyppo wrote:

Are you sure on this point?

He is right there is nothing wrong with changing the exhaust.

However some types of exhausts will cause the car to fail the NCT. Or be illegal for road use.

ie removing the catalytic converter while improving the performance of the car will cause it to fail the NCT on emissions.

Also if a gaurd deems the exhaust too loud, and this is just in their own judgement, you could have a court appearence.

layke

gyppo wrote:

Are you sure on this point?

The gov did a while back bring in a law that it can't be over a certain amount of DB but how exactly is a cop going to measure that? He can't just look at it and say "That's illegal" without measuring the sound.. which most cops cannot do.

Yes we all heard the polititions who no nothing saying "Bla Bla bla twin exhausts will be illegal bla bla bla", what should have been said was 'Twin exhausts are illegal, IF over the max amount of DB'.

Having said that i'm checking about to see if I can get a clear cut copy of the law for everyone to see. Haven't heard of anyone getting done for it nor their car being taken off them, cop said it to me once, nowt she could do tho.

Quite honestly I have never seen it in black and white, it's just from what I remember back when all this jazz was the hype.

Recon

Kersh wrote:

But whats the difference between a Ferrari F40, which is loud, and a 1.4 civic with a loud exhaust driving through a residential area. Surely the ferrari is quite legal as its 'stock', whereas the civic is illegal cos its modded.

How often do you see a Ferrari, or any other "noisy" sports car, driving down the road? While you see millions of those little fecking boy racers everyday.

The GTI golf I think would be considered a fairly high powered car and it's got a nice sounding engine but it's not overly noisy. So why do the boy racers have to get the noisiest piece of crap they can?

You might go on about being tolerant of others, but the "others" should be considerate for everyone else at the same time.

gyppo

ronoc wrote:

He is right there is nothing wrong with changing the exhaust.

However some types of exhausts will cause the car to fail the NCT. Or be illegal for road use.

ie removing the catalytic converter while improving the performance of the car will cause it to fail the NCT on emissions.

Also if a gaurd deems the exhaust too loud, and this is just in their own judgement, you could have a court appearence.

Thanks Ronoc,

You put this very clear. Removing the Catalytic converter for performance purposes must surely make the car illegal for road use - would it?

Kimbot

Go to www.oasis.gov.ie for the laws regarding it!!

Unless the garda has a db tester there then he can't tell you that its too loud!! I had a garda one day tell me that my exhaust was too loud cos he had no other excuse to stop me.... wait for the good part.... I was driving a toyota corolla 1.4 with the standard exhaust and no modifications at all!!! Just goes to show the gard wanted that to go his own way until I laughed at him and told him it was an unmodified standard exhaust!!

Kersh

How often do you see a Ferrari, or any other "noisy" sports car, driving down the road? While you see millions of those little fecking boy racers everyday.

Im just asking the question - what is the difference between a stock loud car, and a non stock loud car, in real terms at night in an estate.

There a quite a few loud standard cars that I se around, astons, Ferraris, Lambos etc.

I can understand where the OP is coming from though, exotic car owners dont feel the need to drive around town centres ad nauseum, whereas boy racer types seem to like that..:rolleyes:

Removing the Catalytic converter for performance purposes must surely make the car illegal for road use - would it?

Doing this causes a car to fail the nct on emmisions, non display of nct is illegal. Though there is nothing to stop an owner fitting a cat for the test , then removing it, except it nullifys his insurance policy as its a mod.

Rovi

kikel wrote:

Do you feel the same way when the ice cream van passes with music blaring?

Ah, but they only play the music when they have no ice cream left.

That's what my Mammy told me, anyway.

.

Owen

If the 'noisy exhaust' is on a collection of rusty panels dwarfed by a huge spoiler worth about 3 grand, then no, I wouldn't agree with it. If someone rolls by in a 66 Mustang v8 with open pipes, he'll have me drooling.

Loud pipes annoying? My Ducati and I would like to disagree

gyppo

Kersh wrote:

Doing this causes a car to fail the nct on emmisions, non display of nct is illegal. Though there is nothing to stop an owner fitting a cat for the test , then removing it, except it nullifys his insurance policy as its a mod.

Done a bit of surfing since my last post, and came up with this gem.

S.I. No. 190 of 1963.
ROAD TRAFFIC (CONSTRUCTION, EQUIPMENT AND USE OF VEHICLES) REGULATIONS, 1963.

ARTICLE 30

(1) Every vehicle shall be so constructed as to prevent, to such extent as is reasonably possible, the emission of smoke, visible vapour, noxious gases or offensive odours.


I would imagine a well read guard could invoke this piece of legislation on an exhaust system where the catalytic converter has been removed.
After all, the vehicle has now been decontructed and can no longer prevent the emission of noxious gases.

cpoh1

Ok lads the law on this is pretty clear, any exhaust fitted that exceeds the loudness of the standard manufacturers exhaust is deemed illegal. Forget all the rubbish you read about dB meters etc. this law simply doesn't exist.

http://193.178.1.79/ZZSI190Y1963.html

1. These Regulations may be cited as the Road Traffic (Construction, Equipment and Use of Vehicles) Regulations, 1963.
29. (1)
Every vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine shall, subject to the provisions of sub-article (2) of this article, be fitted with an exhaust silencer or other device suitable and sufficient for reducing to a reasonable level the noise caused by the escape of exhaust gases from the engine.
(2) Sub-article (1) of this article shall not apply to a vehicle taking part in a trial, competition or race carried out on a road closed under section 35 of the Local Government Act, 1955 (No. 9 of 1955), subject to any conditions the local authority concerned may impose in connection with such closing.
34 (e)
every silencer or similar contrivance which is required to be fitted under these Regulations shall be maintained in good and efficient working order and <B>shall not have been altered in such a way that the noise caused by the escape of the exhaust gases is made greater by the alteration


At the end of the day people in this country will ALWAYS find something to complain about, anyone who has a genuine grievance about what other cars sound like needs to put there priorities in order. There are more impotant things in life to worry about than some young fella with a loud exhaust.

kikel

Do you know what really bugs me. it's the ambulances. gardai and fire bridgade driving with their sirens on. Its bloody annoying....:rolleyes:

Big Nelly

Best way to explain these people with the modded cars is to watch the ad about the modded Microwaves. Then you will realise the intelligence levels involved!!:p

layke

reasonable

That's very open to interpretation .

kippy

At the end of the day people in this country will ALWAYS find something to complain about, anyone who has a genuine grievance about what other cars sound like needs to put there priorities in order. There are more impotant things in life to worry about than some young fella with a loud exhaust.

That being the case I dont think there would be too much to discuss on these boards as there are far more important things to worry about than a lot of the posts.
I amnt particularily worried about these people but I do feel they have no reason to be doing what they are doing and in the process of doing this ruin some peoples nights sleep. I am sure there are people who work nights and dont like hearing them during the day either.
There are also more inportant things in life that putting a loud exhaust on your car-go tell the people that perform these acts this.

Kippy

Big Nelly

cpoh1 wrote:

At the end of the day people in this country will ALWAYS find something to complain about, anyone who has a genuine grievance about what other cars sound like needs to put there priorities in order. There are more impotant things in life to worry about than some young fella with a loud exhaust.

What sort of a stupid statement is that? because you live in the country you have nothing better to do than complain about cars? Grow up will you. You think because you live in a city that you have so much to do that you dont have time to complain?

Well I am from Cavan but have spent alot of my life living in Dublin and I think you will find it is Dublin people who have more time to waste, moist people in the country work longer hours than Dublin people and kids in Dublin stand around on the St half the day while kids in the country actually work.

So in fact your statement is completely wrong and it should be Dublin people and not country pople who ALWAYS find something to complain about. But I dont care either way. Its childish statement like yours that really shouldnt be replied to but I love replying to stupid sweeping statements with facts and not idle gossip!!

kippy

Do you know what really bugs me. it's the ambulances. gardai and fire bridgade driving with their sirens on. Its bloody annoying..

Loud/annoying but necessary.
If you ever you are unlucky to find yourself in the back of am ambulance with a serious injury and the noise annoys you, you can always ask the driver to switch the siren off.

cpoh1

Judging by the amount of people getting their knickers in a twist over something as silly as other loud cars on the road its pretty obvious that people dont have anything better to do than complain about something as trivial as this. There are people dying on the roads every week due to a combination of stupid, careless and reckless driving, why are people so worried about a car with a loud exhaust, nobodies dying over it at the end of the day.

From a personal point of view I get up every day and live my life as positively as possible, getting pissed off about stuff as trivial as an exhaust is plain stupid. There will always be little things out there that people arent happy with and its a case of dealing with these issues in the most positive manner possible. Take a deep breath, think of something nice you'll do later on with the wife or kids or whatever and move on from it. These kids arent going to go away and nothing is going to change so just deal with it.

Big Nelly

cpoh1 wrote:

Judging by the amount of people getting their knickers in a twist over something as silly as other loud cars on the road its pretty obvious that people dont have anything better to do than complain about something as trivial as this. There are people dying on the roads every week due to a combination of stupid, careless and reckless driving, why are people so worried about a car with a loud exhaust, nobodies dying over it at the end of the day.

From a personal point of view I get up every day and live my life as positively as possible, getting pissed off about stuff as trivial as an exhaust is plain stupid. There will always be little things out there that people arent happy with and its a case of dealing with these issues in the most positive manner possible. Take a deep breath, think of something nice you'll do later on with the wife or kids or whatever and move on from it. These kids arent going to go away and nothing is going to change so just deal with it.

Ok is there 2 or 3 personalities using your account? first you quote the law, then there is a sweeping stupid statement to try and insult everyone outside a city limits area and then you come over and sweet and nice and smoking the wacky??????

TempestSabre

Moist people in the country oooo aahhhh :eek:

Making a lot of noise via your cars no different from having your music too loud. Either you are disturbing your neighbours or you aren't. Its about respect. If you don't have respect for other people expect to be treated like a muppet.

What kinda fool logic equates saving lives with a siren the same as tarting up your car?:rolleyes:

Most cars modified or not don't generate a lot of noise unless driven at speed, which is very likely over the limit in a residential area. Just report the muppet for speeding and its likely the cops will easily catch them if they are a habitual speeder. They usually are.

cpoh1

Big Nelly wrote:

Ok is there 2 or 3 personalities using your account? first you quote the law, then there is a sweeping stupid statement to try and insult everyone outside a city limits area and then you come over and sweet and nice and smoking the wacky??????

I think its you who should lay off the gear dude, I gave the lettering of the law so that people have the information required as regards aftermarket exhausts. I never mentioned people living in the countryside???? And I maintain the same stance throughout this thread, people in this country are always complaining about trivial crap like this, people need to get a bit of perspective.

kippy

Judging by the amount of people getting their knickers in a twist over something as silly as other loud cars on the road its pretty obvious that people dont have anything better to do than complain about something as trivial as this. There are people dying on the roads every week due to a combination of stupid, careless and reckless driving, why are people so worried about a car with a loud exhaust, nobodies dying over it at the end of the day.

From a personal point of view I get up every day and live my life as positively as possible, getting pissed off about stuff as trivial as an exhaust is plain stupid. There will always be little things out there that people arent happy with and its a case of dealing with these issues in the most positive manner possible. Take a deep breath, think of something nice you'll do later on with the wife or kids or whatever and move on from it. These kids arent going to go away and nothing is going to change so just deal with it.

Okay, you are pretty new here so I'll have some level of patience.
I have VERY STRONG views on road safety and have been involved in numerous threads here about various safety aspects.
I aint pissed of about "an exhaust". Its not the exhaust that decides to add itself to a little fartknocker of a car in order to make the sound of the car louder, then drive around late at night when the majority of the population are in bed.
If your kids get woken by one of these people with their loud cars and in turn wake you up from your slumber you'd eventually be fairly pissed about the whole thing also, especially since they are not a NECISSITY on a car, but they are an addition that obviously annoy a lot of people.
I am glad you have such a rosy outlook on life, I too am a "live and let live" kind of person, however I can see no reason why the people put these noisy exhausts on their cars only to make shout out "Hey look at me, I have a car"
Why cant they have the same attitude, "Ah feck it, why would I want a loud exhaust on the car?"
These "kids" as you call them, may not go away but the correct laws being enforced their annoying noise will.
Kippy

Big Nelly

cpoh1 wrote:

I think its you who should lay off the gear dude, I gave the lettering of the law so that people have the information required as regards aftermarket exhausts. I never mentioned people living in the countryside???? And I maintain the same stance throughout this thread, people in this country are always complaining about trivial crap like this, people need to get a bit of perspective.

Ok you never mentioned people in the country and then you go on to say people in the countryside???

Please read your own post:

At the end of the day people in this country will ALWAYS find something to complain about, anyone who has a genuine grievance about what other cars sound like needs to put there priorities in order. There are more impotant things in life to worry about than some young fella with a loud exhaust.

If you cant even read your own post or what you typed 2 secs beforehand then I guess we know the intelligence levels we are dealing with here.

Can you show me any stats/facts that say people in the country have nothing to do but complain? or is it just your stupid bigoted atitude towards people that live outside a city that makes you come out with stupid statements like this? last time I heard something along the lines of this was when I was 5 and another 4 year old said he couldnt play with me because I was from the country. At least you can forgive a child because they dont know any better. If you believe this statement to be true please stay in the city because I am sure I don't want to see you near the countryside and nobody else will either!!!

cpoh1

kippy wrote:

Okay, you are pretty new here so I'll have some level of patience.

So because im registered on here less time than you my opinion counts for less is it?

kippy wrote:

I have VERY STRONG views on road safety and have been involved in numerous threads here about various safety aspects.

What the hell does road safety have to do with having an aftermarket exhaust on your car???

kippy wrote:

I aint pissed of about "an exhaust". Its not the exhaust that decides to add itself to a little fartknocker of a car in order to make the sound of the car louder, then drive around late at night when the majority of the population are in bed.

Very very narrowminded outlook. Not all cars that have loud aftermarket exhausts are little fartknockers. The object of an aftermarket exhaust is not always to make the car louder (except in a small minority of cars that are drivien by 18-19 year olds), it is to gain performance. Do a search for any decent tuning house in japan the states or europe (ruf, amg, spoon, brabus, trd etc.) and one of the first modifiactions done on a car is an aftermarket exhaust to free up air flow and gain hp.

kippy wrote:

If your kids get woken by one of these people with their loud cars and in turn wake you up from your slumber you'd eventually be fairly pissed about the whole thing also, especially since they are not a NECISSITY on a car, but they are an addition that obviously annoy a lot of people.

If your kids are getting woken up i genuinely symapthise but in fairness things like this dont happen every night of the week. I find if im to be woken by a noisy car its more than likely a diesel van/truck or taxi thats making the noise.

Im not getting into this anymore, its pretty obvious people on here have a very narrowminded outlook judging by the derogatory comments being thrown about so far. My two cents, not all cars with modified exhaust are either (a) loud and (b) there for looks or (c) on ****ty "fartknockers". Only a small percentage of people in this country put loud exhaust on small cars, if a fella in your housing estate has a loud exhaust and drives around late at night creating noise, why not have a quiet and polite word with the guy explaining your predicament?

Alun

Errm, Big Nelly, I think it's you who can't read ... he said ...

At the end of the day people in this country will ALWAYS find something to complain about, anyone who has a genuine grievance about what other cars sound like needs to put there priorities in order. There are more impotant things in life to worry about than some young fella with a loud exhaust.

No mention of the country or countryside anywhere that I can see.

cpoh1

Big Nelly wrote:

Ok you never mentioned people in the country and then you go on to say people in the countryside???

Please read your own post:



If you cant even read your own post or what you typed 2 secs beforehand then I guess we know the intelligence levels we are dealing with here.

Can you show me any stats/facts that say people in the country have nothing to do but complain? or is it just your stupid bigoted atitude towards people that live outside a city that makes you come out with stupid statements like this? last time I heard something along the lines of this was when I was 5 and another 4 year old said he couldnt play with me because I was from the country. At least you can forgive a child because they dont know any better. If you believe this statement to be true please stay in the city because I am sure I don't want to see you near the countryside and nobody else will either!!!

You are making a complete ass out of yourself. Maybe you might want to delete that last response, you're accusing me of some serious things there and all because YOU are the one who needs to read things properly before you post...moderators?

kikel

kippy wrote:

Loud/annoying but necessary.
If you ever you are unlucky to find yourself in the back of am ambulance with a serious injury and the noise annoys you, you can always ask the driver to switch the siren off.

Sorry kippy, please role you mouse over the smiley at the end of the original post. you'll see it is the sarcaism smiley.:D

Big Nelly

cpoh1 wrote:

So because im registered on here less time than you my opinion counts for less is it?

No but making stupid sweeping comments insulting people who live in the country is a sure fire way to get everyone here to have an instant dislike for you. You have achieved that with me already.

cpoh1 wrote:

What the hell does road safety have to do with having an aftermarket exhaust on your car???

Its usually the driver of the car thats the problem. You have shown already you are pretty immature so I guess you are prob immature on the roads as well.

cpoh1 wrote:

Very very narrowminded outlook.

Read what you typed above and then you will see someone who is narrowminded

cpoh1 wrote:

If your kids are getting woken up i genuinely symapthise but in fairness things like this dont happen every night of the week. I find if im to be woken by a noisy car its more than likely a diesel van/truck or taxi thats making the noise.

How the hell can a diesel van or truck wake you up? the van would want to have an engine the size of a plane to wake you up and what would a truck be driving up an estate for in the middle of the night?

cpoh1 wrote:

Im not getting into this anymore, its pretty obvious people on here have a very narrowminded outlook judging by the derogatory comments being thrown about so far.

Again can you not read what you type? read above and the only derogatory comments have come from you. If you cant read what you say then go back to school or maybe you still are in school and could explain why you are so immature

cpoh1 wrote:

My two cents, not all cars with modified exhaust are either (a) loud and (b) there for looks or (c) on ****ty "fartknockers". Only a small percentage of people in this country put loud exhaust on small cars, if a fella in your housing estate has a loud exhaust and drives around late at night creating noise, why not have a quiet and polite word with the guy explaing your predicament?

Actually couldnt be bothered.........

Owen

Kippy, you make some very valid points. There is no place for a loud exhaust late at night in a housing estate racing about. Neither is there a place for people tearing up the main streets in towns late at night.

But you make some strange points. Loud exhausts on 'fartknockers'? As a previous poster stated, to gain more performance from an engine, you need to let it breathe. An induction kit and a freer flowing exhaust are some of the first modifications you make, before ECUs, high lift cams, ported & flowed heads, uprated pistons, etc. And just because someone doesn't have the budget to turn an Astra into a huge all singing all dancing modified car straight out of hollywood, doesn't mean they don't have the right to either.

I play with bikes, not cars, but as I'm a petrol head, I love the sound any engine makes. V8, straight 6, v-twin, it doesn't matter. Once I hear the hum of an engine, driven by an enthusiast - in the right conditions, I smile.

As you've some pretty serious ideas on road safety I can only assume you've done some advanced courses (Not the useless Hibernian ignition course), and have a deep appreciation of what lies under the hood.

kippy

So because im registered on here less time than you my opinion counts for less is it?

Did I say that? What I mean is you have no idea how "narrowminded" I am, nor have you any idea on my outlook on life-some of the people who have been in this forum may have more of an idea.

What the hell does road safety have to do with having an aftermarket exhaust on your car???

Absolutely nothing, however in an earlier post you mentioned that there were people dying on the roads and that this is more important than exhausts. I was mearly pointing out that I am aware of this fact.

Very very narrowminded outlook. Not all cars that have loud aftermarket exhausts are little fartknockers. The object of an aftermarket exhaust is not always to make the car louder (except in a small minority of cars that are drivien by 18-19 year olds), it is to gain performance. Do a search for any decent tuning house in japan the states or europe (ruf, amg, spoon, brabus, trd etc.) and one of the first modifiactions done on a car is an aftermarket exhaust to free up air flow and gain hp.

Not narrowminded at all-based entirely on my few years of driving and seeing and hearing cars which are very loud. Granted, me calling them fartknockers is a bit extreme but nonetheless I dont see why ANYONE would want to FREE UP AIRFLOW AND GAIN HP unless they intended to break some of the speeding laws we have in this country. If their intention is not to do this then I dont see the practical reasoning for adding an "Aftermarket" exhaust to any car unless it is to make the car louder. I dont give a flying fig about tuning houses in Japan. I give a damn about noise pollution and more specificilly my nights sleep.
Why should I have a word with him? Should he not have a word with me asking if I would mind him having a loud exhaust on his car? You speak of people having patience and getting on with things, leting other people get on with it etc, yet you fail to see things from the other point of view.
I do intend to talk to this guy and I would like to have the time to the numerous people out there who probably cause other people the same amount of grievances with their intentionally loud cars.
If you believe me to be narrowminded, then fair enough, that is your opinion.

Nelly, I think you may have picked up the "City/Country" thing wrong.
Kippy

cpoh1

Someone take big nellys shovel from him, he wont stop digging that hole of his, its the size of a bloody crater at this stage :eek:

Vegeta

I think he meant this country as in Ireland not "da country"

Ok some people add exhaust systems to improve performance not just attract attention. Being loud is a byproduct of this.

It is not necessary or legal but its not just attention whoring.

I agree there is a huge difference between driving a loud vehicle and modding your vehicle making it sound loud but they both achieve the same goal. Disturbing people.

It is not necessary to drive a motorbike with big engine and roaring exhaust, it is not necessary to drive a Lambo, Ferrari etc either

I live in an estate with both modded cars and a bike fanatic. The headboard of my bed is right underneath one of the front windows of the house and i never get woken up by them.

In fact the neighbours dog is far more annoying

I would advise trying to drive a car with a loud exhaust to see what its like (I drive a standard 97 corolla with hub caps in case you're wondering). I'd be more worried about the style of driving than the noise as at low revs as all the cars i've driven with exhaust systems are no louder than a big turbo diesel engine when driven normally.

dont see why ANYONE would want to FREE UP AIRFLOW AND GAIN HP unless they intended to break some of the speeding laws we have in this country. If their intention is not to do this then I dont see the practical reasoning for adding an "Aftermarket" exhaust to any car unless it is to make the car louder.

So you cant see why anyone would want a car with more HP, why on earth does anyone buy a 330 over a 318 or 316 then if not purely for the bigger engine and HP gains. A person who buys the 330 is more likely to speed than the 316/318 driver according to your logic

ambro25

After reading this thread, I must admit to siding with cpoh1 for the most part. Everyone relax and take a chill pill.

I have a car with a slightly louder exhaust than manufacturer spec (but my car is not a fartknocker ) and, to be brutally honest, I couldn't care less by precisely how much more décibels. Within reason, of course - I have an infant too and can fully commiserate with the noise-@-night problem.

Fact is, I went for a full stainless steel line because the manufacturer's own original parts (Subaru) are renowned for poor longevity. I didn't go out to get the loudest, biggest-bore, best-BHP-increase I could, but just the best price ('bout 15% more) and longevity (lifetime warranty), relative to OEM equipment + fitting.

But then again, @ OP and on the occasion of your al freso outing, you probably would have tarred me with the same brush all the same - not that I'd have cared

my €0,02... just for a bit of perspective

Kersh

I agree with Vegeta, its the way they are driven.
My neighbours never complain, and my cars are quite loud when the throttles are open.... which they dont be in housing estates, so in essence we are back at the boy-racer debate.
That they are (quite a lot of them) inconsiderate.
I live in Boroimhe in Swords, and a white 3 dr Civic insists on accelarating v.fast in 1st gear everywhere, esp the main road, then hitting the brakes for the traffic queue, then leaving a gap and repeating it... senseless idiocy.

Chonker

Its not the car nor the exhaust size/sound the op should take issue with its just a hand full of people who have no consideration for other people, we have them in all aspects of life they are not just with us so called "boy racers"

I have a loud engine-exhaust on my car but like many of my fellow "Boy Racer?" type people (what ever that really means) we drive with consideration at the appropriate times ie late at night.

But during the day, the op and his girlfriend will just have to accept the sound of my sweet engine. Sorry

As for the thread question: Why add a noisy exhaust to your car........ A lot of the time it improves air flow through the car, other times its because people like the sound of them. If the op doesnt like them the best thing for him to do would be to never fit one to his car.

Honestly I know boards are great for getting things off your chest, but I doubt he's gonna post about the drunks who p iss on his wall or the neighbours who play loud music. Lots of people are inconsiderate.

Its just too easy to pick on all boy racer? types. Somebody mentioned just getting on with it, each to their own, I agree. Op infuture just let it go I know it bothers you but really So What thats life.

Cant we all just get along :-)