The Hazards of Belief

Hector Savage

Peregrinus wrote: »

Well, it's the Daily Mail, Hector. You can hardly expect us not to take the piss out of it mercilessley, now, can you? In fact, was your point in posting about it not ot highlight the hazards of belief in the Daily Mail as a source of reliable news?

I know , I did look for a more reliable source but so far nothing on the BBC ... let's see.

Peregrinus

Hector Savage wrote: »

I know , I did look for a more reliable source but so far nothing on the BBC ... let's see.

Read the Mail story with a critical eye, and then perhaps you'll see why it's not getting a lot of traction.

robindch

There's a more convincing "Decades of Jihad Remaining!!!!" story in the current edition of The Atlantic. Haven't read it, but the headline did dribble past in this morning's FT roundup of 'and in other news' :

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/03/isis-caliphate-money-territory/584911/

Pawwed Rig

A more serious hazard of belief

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47687131

recedite

30 years to annihilation*


*Oh wait, its only The Daily Express. Carry on then, nothing to see here.

Peregrinus

robindch wrote: »

There's a more convincing "Decades of Jihad Remaining!!!!" story in the current edition of The Atlantic. Haven't read it, but the headline did dribble past in this morning's FT roundup of 'and in other news' :

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/03/isis-caliphate-money-territory/584911/

If you haven't read it, how can you say it's more convincing?

robindch

Peregrinus wrote: »

If you haven't read it, how can you say it's more convincing?

From the fact it's not from the Daily Mail :rolleyes:

Hector Savage

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1110468955380969472

Dangerous.

Timberrrrrrrr

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1110468955380969472

Dangerous.

Yeah, there's idiots everywhere.

https://youtu.be/ZXbwmINpGJA

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gay-people-are-controlled-by-the-devil-say-pastors-7kjr2h77p

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-12/an-itv-news-undercover-investigation-exposes-the-uk-church-that-claims-you-dont-have-to-be-gay/

Dangerous.

recedite

Hector Savage wrote: »

Dangerous.

Yeah but, none of that anus business applies to shiites.

seamus

recedite wrote: »

Yeah but, none of that anus business applies to shiites.

Naturally the existence of gay Shiites disproves the whole thing, but I'm sure there's some other Devil-related reason why their parents weren't true Scotsmen Shiites, or something.

Hotblack Desiato

‘Druids danced in the streets’ when abortion was legalised, says priest

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar was “elected while publicly living in perverse contempt of the sacrament of Holy Matrimony”, and “Druids returned and defiantly danced in the streets when abortion was legalised”, in Ireland, a Catholic parish priest in New York has said.

Fr George Rutler (73), pastor of the St Michael the Archangel church on West 34th Street in New York, said the state of the Catholic Church in Ireland was “a warning to Catholics in the United States, because such is what happens when religion is only a political and ethnic sentiment”.

In a message on the parish website, in honour of St Patrick “the holy patron of our archdiocese”, he noted how “the largest number of people who claim Patrick for their patron are Nigerians, converted by heroic Irish missionaries”.

“The number of baptised Catholics in Nigeria has soared from 19 million in 2005 to 53 million today. There are two thousand priests and nearly 4,000 religious, along with a boom in vocations.”

He continued: “By contrast, despite many worthy witnesses, the majority of Irish people failed to heed the warnings of St John Paul II when he became the first pontiff to set foot on the soil of Eire in 1979. He preached to 1.25 million faithful at a Mass in Phoenix Park, Dublin.

“Last year, Pope Francis offered Holy Mass in the same place, and fewer than 130,000 showed up. Four months later, the Druids returned and defiantly danced in the streets when abortion was legalised. The Taoiseach, was elected while publicly living in perverse contempt of the sacrament of Holy Matrimony.”

The national seminary at Maynooth “has the lowest numbers of students since its foundation in 1795”, he said while “its rector of 15 years abandoned the faith and now conducts an esoteric cult in Arizona”.

This was a reference to former president of St Patrick’s College, Maynooth, former Msgr Micheal Ledwith, who resigned in 1994 amid child abuse allegations which he denied. He later joined the Washington State based Ramptha School in Enlightenment in the US.

Fr Rutler continued that an unnamed “Irish commentator and playwright recently” had referred to Ireland as “the most anti-Catholic country on planet Earth”. Fr Rutler said he felt “this would seem to be hyperbolic, given persecution in Muslim lands, China and North Korea, but it bespeaks the adolescent rebellion of a population moved by an anger unlike the cool detachment of calculating governments”.

All of which, he said, amounted to “a warning to Catholics in the United States, because such is what happens when religion is only a political and ethnic sentiment”.

The St Patrick’s Day parade in New York city had become “a bibulous charade of St Patrick. While contingents advertise their contempt for his gospel, Nigerians honour St Patrick in a different way”.

Originally an Episcopalian (Anglican) priest, Fr Rutler converted to Catholicism in 1979. Since 1988 he has had a weekly television programme on the international US-based and conservative Catholic Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN).

In 1996, then Governor of Texan George W Bush made him an Honorary Texan and, for his help at the World Trade Centre on September 11th, 2001, Fr Rutler was honoured by the city council of New York.

He has lectured and given retreats in Ireland.

Zeal of a convert strikes again...

I wonder is he referring to our friend Mr. Waters?

ohnonotgmail

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

‘Druids danced in the streets’ when abortion was legalised, says priest



Zeal of a convert strikes again...

I wonder is he referring to our friend Mr. Waters?

and who does this refer to?

“its rector of 15 years abandoned the faith and now conducts an esoteric cult in Arizona”.

Hotblack Desiato

Mayo-born ‘Rosary priest’ helped CIA bring about 1964 coup in Brazil

In 1959 the CIA began to secretly fund Fr Peyton’s Family Rosary Crusade there, paying for advertising, promotion and events.

Brazil became a particular focus, especially after Brazilian generals approached the US seeking backing for a military coup.

The CIA’s “Operation Brother Sam” got under way, with the Family Rosary Crusade a part of it. Fr Peyton held a series of major rallies in Brazilian cities, culminating with a TV special from Rio de Janeiro in December 1963. It was a prelude to March 31st, 1964, when Brazilian generals staged a coup.

They later credited Fr Peyton’s crusades with their success and paid tribute to their influence in helping mobilise Brazilian Catholics against communism.

Presbyterian professor at Belfast College fired by church over liberal same sex views

The Presbyterian Church in Ireland has dismissed a professor at its Union Theological College in Belfast for publicly disagreeing with the church’s outright opposition to same sex relationships.

Rev Prof Laurence Kirkpatrick had been teaching there for 22 years.

The college has been providing training for the Presbyterian ministry, as well as theology courses for students at Queen’s University Belfast.

At its General Assembly in Belfast last June the church decided that same-sex couples could no longer be full members and that such couple’s children could not be baptised.

It also decided to loosen ties with a sister church, the Church of Scotland, as the latter moved towards approving same-sex marriage.

Subsequent to those decisions, Rev Prof Kirkpatrick told BBC Radio Ulster’s Talkback programme, last June also, that he would be horrified if a student at the college was taught that a same-sex, sexually active relationship was sinful.

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An earlier, 2016, review of the college by Queen’s raised concerns about the college’s curriculum, which it said was “largely based on Protestant evangelical teaching with little input from other perspectives”, and that it had a “lack of diversity in the teaching provision and staff”.

It felt that “in a post-conflict Northern Ireland, it is highly unsatisfactory that the teaching of theology is not provided across denominational lines” and further noted that there were no full-time female staff teaching undergraduates at the college.

Last December, following its latest review, Queen’s University decided not to admit any new undergraduate theology students to the college in September 2019.

Hotblack Desiato

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and who does this refer to?

The national seminary at Maynooth “has the lowest numbers of students since its foundation in 1795”, he said while “its rector of 15 years abandoned the faith and now conducts an esoteric cult in Arizona”.

This was a reference to former president of St Patrick’s College, Maynooth, former Msgr Micheal Ledwith, who resigned in 1994 amid child abuse allegations which he denied. He later joined the Washington State based Ramptha School in Enlightenment in the US.

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ohnonotgmail

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

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The perils of skimming an article. The Ramtha lot seem interesting to say the least.

smacl

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I wonder is he referring to our friend Mr. Waters?

Yes indeed, https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/03/the-most-anti-christian-country-on-earth

recedite

seamus wrote: »

Naturally the existence of gay Shiites disproves the whole thing..

You'll be waiting many years before you can use that line again :pac:

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Zeal of a convert strikes again...

In fairness, you can hardly criticise a RC priest for advocating RCC doctrine.
The likes of abortion and gay sex are not in accordance with the doctrine, and never will be.

The other guy in the story, Fr. Ledwith, is an interesting one too.
It seems he has taken a golden handshake from the church and retired to the desert where he can live out his gay fantasies as a New Age hippy.


I've been to Death Valley and its full of retired hippy types who have sold up their houses and bought Winnebagos instead. Its the same around the less populated parts of Arizona and Nevada. They go down there in winter because its nice and warm, ideal for sitting around in deckchairs drinking beer. Then they tour the northwest and up into Canada in summer.
Not a bad lifestyle actually. It certainly beats working for a living.

This process of investigation had commenced in or around 1995 but Ledwith, in the interim, came to a private legal settlement with the claimant which admitted no liability and included a confidentiality clause. This, they said, frustrated the continuing inquiry. Dr Ledwith remained in situ at the College for another two years after his resignation, and continued his professorship.
In 1997 Dr Ledwith and the College reached a mutual understanding for a parting of ways and he was awarded a pension top-up of £100,000. He also agreed to leave his rooms on the College campus at this time.

TomSweeney

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeah, there's idiots everywhere.

https://youtu.be/ZXbwmINpGJA

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gay-people-are-controlled-by-the-devil-say-pastors-7kjr2h77p

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-12/an-itv-news-undercover-investigation-exposes-the-uk-church-that-claims-you-dont-have-to-be-gay/

Dangerous.

eh, thanking this for the examples you provided, but the way you added "dangerous" - are you being sarcastic to the OP ?


Like how dare he slag off Islam!!!:eek:

Timberrrrrrrr

TomSweeney wrote: »

eh, thanking this for the examples you provided, but the way you added "dangerous" - are you being sarcastic to the OP ?


Like how dare he slag off Islam!!!:eek:

Slag of each and every religion for all i care, they're all sh/te in their own special ways.

The person i quoted only ever slags islam, some people have unhealthy obsessions.

Odhinn

GOP legislator prays to Jesus for forgiveness before state’s first Muslim woman swears in

State Rep. Stephanie Borowicz was on the ninth “Jesus” of her opening prayer in the Pennsylvania statehouse when other lawmakers started to look uncomfortable.
Speaker Mike Turzai, a fellow Republican, glanced up — but Borowicz carried on, delivering a 100-second ceremonial invocation that some of her colleagues decried as an offensive, divisive and Islamophobic display shortly before the legislature swore in its first Muslim woman.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/27/gop-lawmaker-prays-jesus-forgiveness-before-states-first-muslim-woman-swears/?utm_term=.e9b20d0f6b74

Hector Savage

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Slag of each and every religion for all i care, they're all sh/te in their own special ways.

The person i quoted only ever slags islam, some people have unhealthy obsessions.

Eh ... OK i'll bite.

I did a quick browse through my posts on this and yeah mainly it's against Islam - but there are plenty of Christian posts too.

Also a lot of the "Islam" posts are responding to arguments about something related - the Dara O Bhrian thing , few others...

And back to the Islam posts, I think in 2019 it's safe to say it's the most hazardous religion, maybe not to Irish people (I am Irish myself but haven't lived there in years and been all over the world since)

Hence my lack of Buddhist posts, or Scientology even - I don't think these religions are gonna cause major global issues in the next century.

Islam on the other hand ???

Hector Savage

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0328/1039077-brunei-gay/

Terrible.

Hector Savage

Odhinn wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/27/gop-lawmaker-prays-jesus-forgiveness-before-states-first-muslim-woman-swears/?utm_term=.e9b20d0f6b74

Well, silly the way he is praying to his imaginary friend over it.
But it is worrying having a Hamas supporter in the US senate... but thats another conversation ...

Timberrrrrrrr

Hector Savage wrote: »

Well, silly the way he is praying to his imaginary friend over it.
But it is worrying having a Hamas supporter in the US senate... but thats another conversation ...

It's as terrible as having IRA supporters in the dail.

Hector Savage

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It's as terrible as having IRA supporters in the dail.

Absolutely agree.

smacl

Hector Savage wrote: »

Well, silly the way he is praying to his imaginary friend over it.
But it is worrying having a Hamas supporter in the US senate... but thats another conversation ...

Given we're talking about the country that gave Donald Trump control over the big red button, this would be very low down on my list of concerns.

Odhinn

Hector Savage wrote: »

Well, silly the way he is praying to his imaginary friend over it.
But it is worrying having a Hamas supporter in the US senate... but thats another conversation ...

Scary, scary muslims. Scary.

Hector Savage

Odhinn wrote: »

Scary, scary muslims. Scary.

Scary scary that she is rabidly anti semitic, supports hamas, wiped Israel off her wall map in her office as soon as she was sworn in.
Has dodgy jihadi connections, got her brother in to the US illegally by pretending he was her husband.

Yeah scary.

Odhinn

Hector Savage wrote: »

Scary scary that she is rabidly anti semitic, supports hamas, wiped Israel off her wall map in her office as soon as she was sworn in.
Has dodgy jihadi connections, got her brother in to the US illegally by pretending he was her husband.

Yeah scary.

You've sources for all that?