The Hazards of Belief

marienbad

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Who wants to discipline or argue with a child at all? Not me. Does that mean I oppose it? No, I have a nuanced view, you look after your kid, I'll look after mine.

:rolleyes: yeah, "muh discrimination", give me a break, the only real acceptable discrimination is against white people, specifically white males, the only group who are fair game to be legislated against.

What did Tim Hunt do wrong besides pissing off some wilting daisy who cant handle a joke.

Where are white males specifically discriminated against ?

As for Tim Hunt , if you can't see I cant help you . I sympathise with the guy , and maybe it is a generational thing , but you just can't say what he said, specially considering the position he held .

oscarBravo

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

The aftermath would solely consist of, at maximum, a red mark, a temporary sting, what is generally accepted to constitute a slap. Its more the shock the action elicits then the physical action itself imo, at least that was the way it was with me..

Just because it suits people to blur the distinction between a thump and a slap does not mean there isnt one.

Translation: "I can't answer your questions, so I'll bluster instead."

JPNelsforearm

marienbad wrote: »

Where are white males specifically discriminated against ?

As for Tim Hunt , if you can't see I cant help you . I sympathise with the guy , and maybe it is a generational thing , but you just can't say what he said, specially considering the position he held .

Gender quotas, racial quotas in business and university places. When this takes place in an overwhelmingly white society, who is the "diversity" targeting?

What was wrong with what he said? I dont know what you mean by generational thing, Im 25.

oscarBravo wrote: »

Translation: "I can't answer your questions, so I'll bluster instead."

Im sure someone can figure out the NM of force required that matches my description, I cant, plain English will have to do.

JPNelsforearm

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Gender quotas, racial quotas in business and university places. When this takes place in an overwhelmingly white society, who is the "diversity" targeting?

I don't think any of these are an attack / targeting per se, I believe that all of these are examples of bad science, poor understanding of issues, and an attempt to change society for the better without seriously considering all the ramifications of what they entail.

Good intentions, terribly ignorant applications.

MrPudding

robindch wrote: »

MrP might like to jump in, but so far as I'm aware, legally, the limit is zero - unwanted contact constitutes "assault" of one kind or another. It's a limit that's hard to argue with.

Not really my area of expertise, in so far as anything can be called my area of expertise, but here is my understanding...

In the UK and Ireland corporal punishment by a third party, teacher, coach etc. is illegal. Reasonable physical punishment by a parent is, however, legal. The amount of force used must be reasonable. In the UK if the punishment causes bruising or breaks the skin or causes swelling it is unlikely to be found to be reasonable. Parents can go to prison if the punishment is excessive.

I am not sure what the position is with legal guardian or children in care homes. I suspect where there has been an adoption the parental rule would apply. I would suspect (and hope) that the third party rule would apply in care homes, foster care etc.

[Nerdy Legal Point]One does not need to touch the victim to commit an assault (in the UK at least, not sure about Ireland). Assault is where one intentionally or recklessly makes someone believe they are about to have unlawful force applied to them. Actually touching them is a battery. So, assault and/or battery are the acts, Common Assault is the offence.[/Nerdy Legal Point]

MrP

The Black Oil

Piece from the Guardian on parents who refuse medical help for their kids because Jesus.

Mariah Walton’s voice is quiet – her lungs have been wrecked by her illness, and her respirator doesn’t help. But her tone is resolute.

“Yes, I would like to see my parents prosecuted.”

Why?

“They deserve it.” She pauses. “And it might stop others.”

Mariah is 20 but she’s frail and permanently disabled. She has pulmonary hypertension and when she’s not bedridden, she has to carry an oxygen tank that allows her to breathe. At times, she has had screws in her bones to anchor her breathing device. She may soon have no option for a cure except a heart and lung transplant – an extremely risky procedure.

All this could have been prevented in her infancy by closing a small congenital hole in her heart. It could even have been successfully treated in later years, before irreversible damage was done. But Mariah’s parents were fundamentalist Mormons who went off the grid in northern Idaho in the 1990s and refused to take their children to doctors, believing that illnesses could be healed through faith and the power of prayer.

As she grew sicker and sicker, Mariah’s parents would pray over her and use alternative medicine. Until she finally left home two years ago, she did not have a social security number or a birth certificate.

Had they been in neighboring Oregon, her parents could have been booked for medical neglect. In Mariah’s case, as in scores of others of instances of preventible death among children in Idaho since the 1970s, laws exempt dogmatic faith healers from prosecution, and she and her sister recently took part in a panel discussion with lawmakers at the state capitol about the issue. Idaho is one of only six states that offer a faith-based shield for felony crimes such as manslaughter.

galljga1

The Black Oil wrote: »

Piece from the Guardian on parents who refuse medical help for their kids because Jesus.

I've always been of the opinion that the term Mormons contained a superflous m.

Custardpi

Just a thought, what's the legal status of that kind of thing in Ireland? I assume social services would try to intervene if a child was being denied necessary medical care by their parents but would the courts automatically override parental authority/religious beliefs & take treatment out of the parent's hands? I have a vague memory of a Jehovah's Witness child being made a ward of court in relation to a blood transfusion her parents were opposed to but I can't recall the exact details so not sure how representative that would be of how the law operates.

recedite

robindch wrote: »

MrP might like to jump in, but so far as I'm aware, legally, the limit is zero - unwanted contact constitutes "assault" of one kind or another. It's a limit that's hard to argue with.

Here's the scenario; you are refusing to buy sweets for the child, so he/she decides to throw a hissy fit and lies down on the ground screaming. Bystanders are unable to get past. Encouraging the child to get up, you are pushed away. Is it time for "unwanted contact"?
The answer is; a parent can decide that.

MrPudding wrote: »

In the UK and Ireland corporal punishment by a third party, teacher, coach etc. is illegal. Reasonable physical punishment by a parent is, however, legal. The amount of force used must be reasonable.

In practical terms, most parents will not smack in this scenario, but will fall back on the "rough handling" technique. Similar in fact to the technique employed by Donald Trumps aides recently when removing an irritating reporter from his presence (for which they endured the wrath of the PC brigade). Of course, in that case it was not a parent/child relationship, so it was a different scenario.

cowboyBuilder

The Islamification of Germany continues ..

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/germany-bans-sexy-women-in-ads-after-cologne-muslim-sex-assaults

looksee

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

The Islamification of Germany continues ..

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/germany-bans-sexy-women-in-ads-after-cologne-muslim-sex-assaults

The most reputable source for that story that I could find was the Daily Express :rolleyes:

Custardpi

looksee wrote: »

The most reputable source for that story that I could find was the Daily Express :rolleyes:

I was able to find this in 5 seconds of googling. It quotes Der Spiegel as the source. No idea whether the minister's plans are as they are being reported or not but I was under the impression (could be wrong as I have keine Deutsch) that Der Spiegel was reasonably respected as a publication so am not inclined to dismiss the story completely out of hand. It looks like the proposal is likely to be laughed out of the room so fans of sexy adverts can hopefully rest easy.

recedite

Here's another. Their Minister for Justice apparently "called for" the ban.
But how would they sell their cars, without scantily clad ladies lounging on the bonnets?

silverharp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDDeGG613TE

galljga1

silverharp wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDDeGG613TE

Yeah, "The Hazards of Belief" thread didn't last long on www.boards.sa.

silverharp

^^

I don't think the whole A&A forum would last long in fairness

PopePalpatine

A North Carolina waitress gets a "tip"...a biblical verse calling for her death.

galljga1

PopePalpatine wrote: »

A North Carolina waitress gets a "tip"...a biblical verse calling for her death.

Sometimes I get a good laugh at the posts on this thread.
Sometimes I just get angry.

MrPudding

A sad day...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/14/flying_spaghetti_monster_is_not_god_rules_mortal_judge/

robindch

Mufassil Islam is a Bangladeshi guy who's blogged + spoken in defence of islam for some time (including in Ireland).

A couple of days back, he released his latest video which looks like it might get him into the news for all the wrong reasons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjnRi4KaCic

One eyed Jack

robindch wrote: »

Mufassil Islam is a Bangladeshi guy who's blogged + spoken in defence of islam for some time (including in Ireland).

A couple of days back, he released his latest video which looks like it might get him into the news for all the wrong reasons:

He seems very... passionate!!


"Muslims pushed me out of Islam, thank God"

Hotblack Desiato

I hope for his safety he no longer lives in Bangladesh

Cabaal

http://www.thejournal.ie/utah-porn-public-health-crisis-2724466-Apr2016/

US state declares porn a 'public health crisis'
Utah’s governor called pornography a plague damaging young minds as he signed the declaration.

More than half of Utah’s 3 million residents belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, among the conservative religions that in recent years have worked to shed light on what they consider the harms of pornography.

Perhaps their religion is the cause of the "problem"

PopePalpatine

Da'esh have executed 250 women for refusing (or being related to someone who had refused) to become sex slaves.

robindch

Turkey hasn't done much for its reputation in Europe recently, with Mr Erdogan pressing for charges to be brought in Germany against a comedian who read out a rude poem about him. Merkel, probably having no choice, has allowed the case to go proceed for the moment at least:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36055488

The comedian was placed under police protection.

Not quite sensing the mood of the moment, at least in Europe, the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam has today requested that Turkish citizens inform the consulate of similar insults against Erdogan taking place in Holland:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36104691

Can't see this doing much to help Turkey's EU accession talks.

Hotblack Desiato

Erdogan really is quite the egomaniac, isn't he.

robindch wrote: »

Can't see this doing much to help Turkey's EU accession talks.

Pointless having accession talks with Turkey as Cyprus will veto everything, and who could blame them.

If anyone is feeling particularly poetic about said Turkish President, there is a £1,000 cash prize offered for the best Limerick written in his honour.

Here's the competition - http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/introducing-the-president-erdogan-offensive-poetry-competition/

And the Washington Post has picked up on it too - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/19/british-magazine-send-us-your-rude-poems-about-turkeys-erdogan/

Links234

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Erdogan really is quite the egomaniac, isn't he.

Absolute nut.

Lets not forget he put a doctor on trail for liking a meme comparing him to Gollum.

Lurkio

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Erdogan really is quite the egomaniac, isn't he.



Pointless having accession talks with Turkey as Cyprus will veto everything, and who could blame them.

He has singlehandedly destroyed any progress or chance they had of getting in for the foreseeable future - he's an absolute disaster, for Turkey and anyone within his reach.

recedite

Erdogan controls the migration flow into Greece. He recently saved Merkel's political skin by turning the flow down to a trickle. And that is why he now has such leverage in Germany, as well as €3 billion of EU money in his back pocket.