IRL: 2X17 - "Lockdown" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN "LOCKDOWN" -

Episode Title: "Lockdown"
Airdate: June 5th 2006

Synopsis (from TV.com):

When the hatch suddenly takes on a life of its own, Locke is forced to enlist the help of an unlikely ally to control the matter. Meanwhile, Ana Lucia, Sayid and Charlie go off into the jungle to find out the truth about Henry Gale and see if there really is balloon craft out there in the jungle that carried him and his wife to the island.

Next Episode: 2X18 - "Dave" - June 12th 2006

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Link to US Discussion thread for this episode!

Basq

One of if not my favourite episode of the second season...!

Enjoy!

Anima

Agreed, its a great episode.

Jello

8

Aye I'm looking forward to this, heard it's pretty good.

im...LOST

8

This is a great episode.
Like basquille said it probably is my favourites or one of the favourites of the season also.

Metacortex

I just had the tv on in the background. It was great to see that episode again. Definitely one of the best

AOR

8

yup that was really good, Dam I believed Mr Gale, oh well!!

Zapp Brannigan

Absolutely brilliant episode! I gasped when the blast door came down on Locke's leg!

Crucifix

7

Good stuff. I can't help but wonder (as Locke did) what brought about the Lockdown.
The supplies are odd too. When Sayid and co came out of the trees I was expecting it to be the others picking up their latest supply drop or somesuch.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

8

Ah Brilliant!, excellent episode, i still couldnt get rid of the niggling feeling about mr. gale throughout the episode and i wonder what he's gonna do now. one thing im not sure about is whether or not he actually pushed the button

pokerwidow

7

Great episode. I belived him too. Why didn't he make a run for it?

Also thought the back story was good. I thought that the guys looking for the money turned up and shot Locke in the spine i.e. wheelchair. Did we ever find out how he got in the chair? Can't remember now.

The poker game was good comic relief. And Jacks comment about the guns, if I was Sawyer I would deck the guy. He is really getting on my nerves.

Going off to read the US thread, thank you for posting the link.

AOR

8

its a difficult one to call, he seems to know more than he is letting on, but something wants me to believe he isnt an other, although the evidence seems to point to otherwise.
I think he was late to push the button so thats why we saw the images on the roof.

As for the lockdown, it seemed completely random.

Locke's cycling to bizarre music must have set it off.

I wish every ep was like that

im...LOST

8

The lockdown was simultanius with the supply drop so when Desmond was down the hatch he wouldn't know where the drop came from.

that is all.

Necronomicon

8

Great ep, more than made up for last week's dull show! Could anyone make out what the puzzle on the blast door was?
Superb ending as well, can't wait for next week's now.

Kolodny

8

Great episode - very suspenseful and a brilliant ending. What the hell was written over the Dharma logo in the UV light? Looked really creepy. Loved Kate's line to Jack and Sawyer too during the poker game "Shall I go and get a ruler?"

Necronomicon

8

Kolodny wrote:

Great episode - very suspenseful and a brilliant ending. What the hell was written over the Dharma logo in the UV light?

Yanked this from the US thread:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/gumpy500/snapshot_j_2006329_.jpg

BFassassin

8

it looks like all the bunkers are going to join up with something else. very interesting.
really enjoyed this episode and gave it a 9. once agin they end the show when something is about to happen

trishw78

8

Brilliant glad to see things are finally hotting up. Mr. gale tut tut Did he not think that they wouldn't find out or is that why he didn't make a run for it when he had the chance. Is that why he made a deal with Locke.

as for the food it had to be dropped by air but how high would the plane have to be not to see it. or was it dropped a few hundred miles away and wind currents brought it in but why didn't every one on the beach see it. Why weren't the others there before to claim the food.

Although by Gales reaction to seeing the food last week maybe the others don't know about it, or is he just a real good actor.

Evil_Bilbo

deadly episode alright - the lockdown must've had something to do with the drop. Maybe the hatch locks down when there's something in the islands airspace or something (to protect from bombs being dropped or something?) I reckon henry made the lights go out so he could check something in the UV lights? that was seriously cool though - all those images on the blast door - totally slick!

and what an ending! the real henry is a big black dude! the fake one is fecked!

Haven't a Clue

8

I think that the UV light image shows there is more than one hatch on the island. We already know that the fella on the hanso video said the hatch was station 3 out of 6. If you count anti-clockwise from the one at the top left, it is no 3. The first one also looks to have the symbol that was in the place Ethan had Claire.

I also believe that all the stations are linked up by a 'main hatch' or whatever you want to call it in the middle. This is where the others are and the lockdown therefore wasn't random last night, 'the others' made it happen from the main hatch. It's just a theory.

A great episode though. Though Locke's flashback was as good as ever, still not up to the s1 standards but a lot better than the one in 'orientation'. And the revelation at the end, just when I was beginning to like Henry. Shame. I was also going to say how it was a shame that he didn't lead Sayid and co to 'the others' but what did happen was far more intruiging.

Necronomicon

8

Still not sure if this Henry thing is an open and shut case now. I mean, if Lost has thought us one thing it's not to think of the obvious. Who knows, maybe the Others learned about Henry's capture and to throw everyone off, they went to his wife's grave and replaced her with this man with an ID saying Henry Gale. Just a wild theory, probably just saying it cause I like the guy

Haven't a Clue

8

No, he had a sort of guilty look last night. It's a shame too. After he said he'd never leave locke in the state he was in I began to like him. Funny how, in my opinion, the best episodes in lost have been the one with the Locke flashbacks. How much more torture can they inflict on the man? Well, by showing how he was crippled I suppose.

Earthhorse

So the Riddler was behind it all! I knew it, I just knew it. Hopefully Batman will show up in series 3 and kick seven bells out of him.

Not much to add. This was a great episode. The blastdoor coming down on Locke's legs. The UV only map on said door. The revelation that Dharma have been making drops (or have they?), which is possibly where the new washing machine came from. The twist involving Henry Gale at the end (the final twist in his tale?).

If every episode of Lost was this good it would be deserving of the praise it receives.

careca

Haven't a Clue wrote:

. How much more torture can they inflict on the man? Well, by showing how he was crippled I suppose.

Sorry if this was covered before, but is there any chance the girl Locke wanted to marry is in cohoots with his 'father' in the scam. I was sure we would see the two of them on the plane together heading off.

Haven't a Clue

8

Nah, wouldn't say so.

Killaqueen!!!

7

Great episode! Even though the fake Henry Gale stayed and helped Locke, that didn't automatically make me like him. I was still a bit suspicious of him. I'm not sure if he knows a lot about the hatchs or not...he obviously has some connection with the numbers because when Locke told him them he remembered them instantly, and knew it was important to type them in. But did he do something else to make the lockdown happen? Or the UV map? Probably not..it seemed pretty random.

At first, I thought the hatch/island was trying to punish Locke by injuring his legs again (seeing as the island cured him in the first place) because he was doing something wrong. But then we saw the map....which is very cool!!!

I liked the bits with Jack and Sawyer playing poker. It's always good to hav a bit of comic relief! "I'll call your 3 bananas...and raise you a papaya!"

MeTV

Received this "translation" of the UV map by mail this morn' as well as a better quality shot of the actual map, which I'll upload in a minute when my server reboots. The lockdown has to tie into the food drop, triggered by whoever was piloting the plane. Thing that gets me though is that, according to Hugh McIntyre (and some of the writing on the map), the Dharma Initiative was discontinued in the 80s so why are the drops still being made?

Seems as though John has regained feeling in his legs or was that just a cock up?

So we discover "Henry" isn't who he says he is but I'm still not convinced he's an other; none of the others (Ethan & Goodwin) who have infiltrated the survivors have gone to such lengths to assume someone else's identity. My current inkling is that he could be Calvin's partner who has been missing since Desmond arrived on the island. After all, he did seem to remember the numbers pretty handily, especially after the bump he took off the shelves when trying to get up into the vent.

Loved Sawyer's comment about him being educated despite dropping out of school at a young age - it's always annoyed me how people tend to dismiss his intelligence.

We also discovered that John is connected to yet another surivor - that was Nadia's house we saw him surveying.

Anyone else spot the Widmore Labs logo on the basket of the balloon? That's 3 times we've seen their name mentioned now.

Oh, and nearly forgot, the two planes we see flying over the motel are both Oceanic planes and the bag Anthony stuffs his share of the cash in had an Oceanic logo on it as well.

trishw78

8

one thing I noticed on the map is the Hatch with the staff is close to the arrow which is where the tallies came form which (an I know its a map an you can't judge scale) doesn't seem that far away.

Haven't a Clue

8

Fascinating. Well, the tailies were around the 'arrow' hatch cause that was the symbol on the wall when Michael and co walked into their hatch in orientation I think.

The staff hatch is where Claire was. It's also bizarre that it was written in Latin.

And I think that the drop off thing happened due to Henry possibly never pushing the button. Maybe when you don't push the button, the magnets in the hatch activate and draw anything around the island into the island.

MeTV

The drop coinciding with the counter running down is just coincidence. Calvin & Desmond were adamant that the counter hitting 0 would result in something cataclysmic happening, a food drop just doesn't seem to tie in to that. Also, if replacements are due every 540 days, it would be reasonable to assume that the pantry would be restocked every 540 days. There are 388800 minutes in 540 days, which is divisible by 108 so the drop could conceivably happen as the counter hit 0. Of course, the only problem with that is the counter being reset by entering the numbers before it hit 0, which throws the maths off a good bit.

That actually reminds me of something that's been puzzling me about the counter for a while, but I'm too knackered with this damn kidney infection to even begin to explain my thoughts so it'll have to wait for another day.

Agamemnon

8

Haven't a Clue wrote:

...Funny how, in my opinion, the best episodes in lost have been the one with the Locke flashbacks. How much more torture can they inflict on the man? Well, by showing how he was crippled I suppose.

There's even worse than that. Someday they'll have to show us how he lost his hair. I for one will be hiding behind the armchair when that episode airs.

Silage

8

That was a great episode. The thing i found most interesting was the uv writing on the wall. That cleaned up version of it is very interesting indeed. Whoever wrote it obviously had a keen knowledge of what was going on and of the other stations bar two of them. All the stations marked seemed to be linked to something in the centre (the big question mark), perhaps this has something to do with the "incident". On the map it shows that each path to the centre is blocked, is this where the poured concrete is in the swan hatch? Also, if all the paths to the centre are blocked where else would the others be?

As for the rest of the episode, i thought the poker game was a nice touch. After the game i actually don't really mind jack, he was played by sawyer before and now he's getting one back at him. Just shows he's not slow all the time.

When the lockdown happened, the supplies more or less coincided with this. But why would it lock him off from the computer, if something really bad is going to happen if they don't get to the computer why would it not allow them to enter the code.

christo82

One niggling thought, though. when the lockdown first happens, why didn't locke go through the vents like Henry eventually does, instead of trying to pry open the blast door. Is he stupid?

Crucifix

7

One thing I forgot to post; was the woman who owned the house Locke was checking out Nadia(ie: Sayid's lady friend from his early flashbacks)? It's a while since I watched series one, so I could be way off.

Haven't a Clue

8

Yeah, that was Nadia alright.

JBoyle4eva

8

Well, this was a fantastic episode. It's full of suspense and mystery.

What did the map on the blast door mean? Obviously, there are now more stations, but what did the "?" mean in the middle. And I'd love to know why the blast doors went down in the first place. Seemed pretty random as Locke described.

The "henry Gale" character is proving to be one of the bets in the program. Who is he really? It's bugging me now!

I gave this ep a 9, but only because I brought a new mobile yesterday and I was playing around it at times during Lost!

Diarmsquid

9

Remember Desmond said something about a replacement coming? (Perhaps Henry?)
I'd say the food was for the new replacement.
As for the map on the wall, if only we could give Locke that link.:rolleyes:

Evil_Bilbo

the simplest explanation: nothing was random
1. blast doors come down when something invades the islands airspace - i.e. a plane/parachute with food. "blast" doors are obviously to protect against a bomb blast (otherwise just the outer doors wouldve locked)
2. the countdown on the speaker system gave them time to type in the code, but was a bit busted so they didnt get to it in time
3. Fake henry and the others captured and killed real henry after getting his life story - fake henry fed this to the losties. he is an other. no further explanation needed.
4. The UV map - drawn by a previous number-enterer (or more than one). Either kelvin or desmond or both. Drawn when blast doors were down (no sh1t). They came down on several occasions (plane crashes/balloon crashes/food drops). It was possibly done in a hurry and is slightly coded (in latin/maths) to prevent just anyone from reading it.
5. Henry did something with the lights to search for something (possibly the map). He found it/didnt find it and flicked the proper lights back on. The switch for this may also cause the blast doors to go back up.

His reasons for not running away were to infiltrate the group. Find out how much they know about dharma etc. He had to try gain their trust. If Sayid hadnt dug up the grave he wouldve totally won them over (it worked on me!) He took a gamble on this and lost.

Looking forward to next week's episode though - henry knows he's done for. no way of explaining his way out of it now. Hopefully the losties will start telling each other all the crazy stuff they've seen on the island (hatches, drops, medications, maps, beards etc) - time to get that army together perhaps?

MeTV

Silage wrote:

When the lockdown happened, the supplies more or less coincided with this. But why would it lock him off from the computer, if something really bad is going to happen if they don't get to the computer why would it not allow them to enter the code.

Well, if everything was working as intended, one member of the two person team would have been on number punching duty, would have heard the lockdown warning, punched in the numbers (remember, John looked over at the computer just before lockdown and saw the prompt flashing, which doesn't happen unless the computer requires an input) and retired to the living quarters until lockdown was over. I'm thinking the countdown to lockdown was preceeded by these instructions; we did hear a few garbled words through the static.

christo82 wrote:

One niggling thought, though. when the lockdown first happens, why didn't locke go through the vents like Henry eventually does, instead of trying to pry open the blast door. Is he stupid?

Creative license, christo If he'd done that, he wouldn't have seen the map. Also, being a larger man than "Henry", he may not have fit through the vent and didn't want to send "Henry" until he'd exhausted all other options as he didn't trust "Henry" not to leg it.

Evil_Bilbo wrote:

blast doors come down when something invades the islands airspace - i.e. a plane/parachute with food. "blast" doors are obviously to protect against a bomb blast (otherwise just the outer doors wouldve locked)

If that were the case, it would have happened to Desmond when flight 815 crashed and when the real Henry arrived (assuming we can trust fake Henry's time frame of events) and he would have told the survivors - he did seem to tell them everything he knew before disappearing. More likely, I think it would be activated manually from the aircraft doing the drop.

Evil_Bilbo wrote:

The UV map - drawn by a previous number-enterer (or more than one). Either kelvin or desmond or both. Drawn when blast doors were down (no sh1t). They came down on several occasions (plane crashes/balloon crashes/food drops). It was possibly done in a hurry and is slightly coded (in latin/maths) to prevent just anyone from reading it.

Someone must've sat through a hell of a lot of lockdowns to have had time to write all that, the lockdown we saw didn't last anywhere near long enough for anyone to write that in one sitting.

Thought: Pretty sure I've spotted the "I am here" phrase on the mural, could that maybe be an attempt by someone who sat through the lockdown after the person who wrote it all had left the station to recreate it?

eirebhoy

8

christo82 wrote:

One niggling thought, though. when the lockdown first happens, why didn't locke go through the vents like Henry eventually does, instead of trying to pry open the blast door. Is he stupid?

It is a TV show...

loon

christo82 wrote:

One niggling thought, though. when the lockdown first happens, why didn't locke go through the vents like Henry eventually does, instead of trying to pry open the blast door. Is he stupid?

most likely.. he didn't want henry to escape.. as he only revealed when he himself was trapped and needed help..

eirebhoy

8

Haven't a Clue wrote:

And I think that the drop off thing happened due to Henry possibly never pushing the button. Maybe when you don't push the button, the magnets in the hatch activate and draw anything around the island into the island.

I think that's the most likely case, or something along the lines of that.

christo82

loon wrote:

most likely.. he didn't want henry to escape.. as he only revealed when he himself was trapped and needed help..

But the vent that Henry eventually goes through is in the pantry, not the armoury where they were holding Henry, so Locke could have easily gone into the vent without having to release Henry in the first place, or have him be any the wiser about where an escape route was.

AOR

8

christo82 wrote:

But the vent that Henry eventually goes through is in the pantry, not the armoury where they were holding Henry, so Locke could have easily gone into the vent without having to release Henry in the first place, or have him be any the wiser about where an escape route was.

hmmmmmm i see. Id say he just thought he might'nt fit through the vent.

AliasFan47

9

Lost is really kicking into gear with Lockdown. i can tell things are really building to a great finale in approx. 7 weeks

arctic lemur

6

Intriguing stuff, i knew that Henry would help Locke as they seem to be forging some sort of alliance. Wasnt as mysterious as i had hoped hence the 7 rating.

prospect

AOR wrote:

hmmmmmm i see. Id say he just thought he might'nt fit through the vent.

Think about it,

He was confused by the garbled words on the intercom thing, Henry was shouting at him, and then big steel doors start to close him in.

Would your first though be: "I'll let them close and take a chance that I'll find a vent, that I'll fit through, that MAY lead me to safety", or would it be "I'll jamb something under that door".

I know what I'd do. The big mistake Locke made was using a hollow toolbox to keep it open, rather than something more solid.

LegacyUser

God damn that Henry!! After last nights episode I was fuming!!!Oh and for anyone that doesn't know fuming means really really mad:):)