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Patricide

I agree here, tralee has become increasingly like this, even walking to the shop now scumbags have threatened me with stabbings for **** like not buying them fags and 40 cent. I mean WHAT THE **** is wrong with people? I dont feel safe in my town going through places where its fully lighted and theres plenty of people at night and to me thats a ****ing joke, there are plenty of scumbags out there that the garda know are commiting theese crimes but do nothing about it cause there juviniles or some other suh nonsense.

FillSpectre

scouser.tommy wrote:

And what if you've trained or weight-lifted so as to be slightly more dangerous with your fists? Is it for defence or to cause harm? What if people want to carry a knife for protection? I think when someone hits someone unprovoked, the deady intent is there; knife or no knife.

I don't agree. I have been in fights through stupidity,misunderstandings and in the act of protection. My intent was never to kill when I punched somebody.

If you have a specialist knowledge or skills this is taken into a account "equal and opposite force". Carrying a knife around is intent before leaving your home. Carry a knife as protection means you intend on using it therfore intent and not acceptable in my opinion.

Either way no matter how people like to say children are more mature now the truth is they aren't fully devloped and make mistakes and some are horrendious. 16 year olds might know what they are doing is wrong but they certainly don't understand the consequneces of their action. Most 20 year olds don't either hence high death rates on the roads.

joe_chicken

bonkey wrote:

Hell, Britain got covered in CCTV and the public accepted it on the grounds that it may have been seen as intrusive and a loss of privacy, but at least it would make them safer. Less than 20 years on, the CCTV remains, only now instead of making us safer it supplies us with the brutal footage that spawned this thread so we can see firsthand how good a job it isn't doing.

Give me the choice of a world with or without CCTV cameras, and I know which one I'd choose.

They should be bright orange with flashing lights ontop though... some of these scumbags dont know the difference between a lampost and a large camera shaped object on the top of a pole

bonkey

FillSpectre wrote:

Carry a knife as protection means you intend on using it therfore intent and not acceptable in my opinion.

Carrying a knife as a utility, and ending up using it for defence......would that be acceptable? No premeditation, no intent....

Either way no matter how people like to say children are more mature now the truth is they aren't fully devloped and make mistakes and some are horrendious.

Blame the kids. Blame the parents. Blame socio-economic conditions, poor eduction, our Anglo-Americanised culture.

Blame life.

Most 20 year olds don't either hence high death rates on the roads.

I think you'll find that only a small minority of 20-year olds are actually proveably involved in the road-accidents. Misdiagnosing problems generally only makes it harder to find the right solutions....but while I'm at it...

Blame age.

Hmmm....now I've got that "choose life" song from Trainspotting going round in my head....

bonkey

joe_chicken wrote:

Give me the choice of a world with or without CCTV cameras, and I know which one I'd choose.

Given a choice of tackling nothing and tackling the symptom - the only options you presented above - I'd certainly agree with you.

I wouldn't suggest to someone who needed an operation that they'd be better off without the painkillers that dulled the pain (from whatever it was that needed to be operated on).

I also wouldn't suggest to them, however, that because the painkillers made the pain manageable for a while that it meant they didn't need to bother with the operation.

If they sat around till the body started becoming used to the painkillers and the pain came back worse then ever....I would suggest to them that even if they wanted to hunt for better painkillers they'd still need an operation.

CCTV was a painkiller. Its effectiveness was never total and is decreasing by the day. The sooner we realise that the solution is not purely one of more/better painkllers, the better.

They should be bright orange with flashing lights ontop though... some of these scumbags dont know the difference between a lampost and a large camera shaped object on the top of a pole

So what you're saying is that CCTV doesn't stop criminals because they're too stupid to realise they're on candid camera?

Thats an interesting angle I haven't heard before.

Thirdfox

So what you're saying is that CCTV doesn't stop criminals because they're too stupid to realise they're on candid camera?

Thats an interesting angle I haven't heard before.

Well didn't it work with high visibility speeding cameras?

ionapaul

bonkey wrote:

Carrying a knife as a utility, and ending up using it for defence......would that be acceptable? No premeditation, no intent....

Ah, I remember that old excuse from reading the local newspaper in Galway a decade ago...

'Your honour, my client only had a screwdriver / knife / machete with him as he is planning to join a FAS course for apprentice electricians / carpet-fitters / jungle-clearers"

Back in those days, almost all the scumbags...oops, sorry, disadvantaged young men...got off with a light slap on the wrist. Sure, don't you get your first stabbing punishment free in Ireland?

I really hope this doesn't turn into the tired old 'society' (i.e. you and me) are to blame for 'the conditions which led to this unfortunate event' (i.e. we are partly to blame for the obscene violence, not just the individuals who inflict it) argument.

Thirdfox

I have a pocket knife (as part of a swiss army knife set) on my coat sometimes to fix my bicycle (it tends to spontaneously break quite often ). I actually don't use the knife part, just the screwdriver...

Just to put across the point that although often people who possess knives/screwdrivers etc. could have a legitimate purpose (although I would think that most don't.)

Mezcita

I hate knackers. Poor lad.

theAwakening

how the prick never got sentenced to murder is as big a disgrace as that attack itself.

Sole reason I joined the Gardai was to help put away filth like that.

Mr Magnolia

This thread is over a year old. Good luck putting as much scum away as possible though.

theAwakening

i know i was doing a search and was reminded of it.

Neo#

Does anyone know ho long they were sentenced for?

theAwakening

1 of the scumbags had to serve mininum 15 years

pontovic

I live in England now, London, and unfrotunately this has become a very common things. Those guys who carried out this crime are dangerous, and as such they need to go to jail for the rest of their lives. I don't believe in the death penalty but when some poor soul is banished to the ground forever the perpetrators need to be locked away as punishment and for the protection of society.

Karoma

Leat subtle means of dropping into conversation that you're a Garda everrrr.