East Wall, Dublin 3

risteardo

lightening wrote: »

I lived there for 12 years, great neighbours, some remain good friends. Alot of country people won't socialise with the locals for some reason, I don't know if its a snob thing or what.

I'm guessing by Slutboys name that he wouldn't be arsed drinking or knocking about the area when town is so close (him being slut and all!).

Merchants Road is great, you have nothing to fear. You are so close to town, you will love it.

Hey, I resemble that comment . I've been to the local, Seabank House, a few times cos it's got a really nice pint, but most of my mates live in various areas around Dublin so we usually end up in town. But even if that wasn't the case, there's still very little in East Wall, nowhere to get a decent bite to eat, not even a small cafe. Think there's gonna be one in the new community centre so hope that'll add something. Or maybe it's just that I'm an unsocial country snob

lightening

Slutboy wrote: »

but most of my mates live in various areas around Dublin so we usually end up in town.

Can't blame you for that!

Slutboy wrote: »

But even if that wasn't the case, there's still very little in East Wall

Its proximity to town might have something to do with that. Your right though, no supermarket. The butcher is brilliant though, does really good cuts at great prices. I find most pubs that are not in town crap anyway! Don't forget the IFSC is around the corner. A slutboy should have fun there on a Thursday and Friday night!

Slutboy wrote: »

nowhere to get a decent bite to eat, not even a small cafe. Think there's gonna be one in the new community centre so hope that'll add something.

Your right. No cafes at all. They just wouln't take off.

Vallance and McGraths on the keys. Great pub grub.

Slutboy wrote: »

Or maybe it's just that I'm an unsocial country snob

I doubt it, have you made an effort to know your neighbours? Do you spend your weekends there, or head off home? Are you involved in any of the clubs there?

rosiec

Thanks guys. When i mentioned east wall a lot of people were agast at the idea. Many the bad story i heard but none of the tellers come from there so i thought i'd ask the experts! From what i've read here the area seems ok, but we just wanted to check that it'd be safe to walk home in the evenings in that area, as it seems to be further out from the main "village".

lightening

rosiec wrote: »

Thanks guys. When i mentioned east wall a lot of people were agast at the idea. Many the bad story i heard but none of the tellers come from there so i thought i'd ask the experts! From what i've read here the area seems ok, but we just wanted to check that it'd be safe to walk home in the evenings in that area, as it seems to be further out from the main "village".

The storys about a "friend of a friend", or "a guy someone used to work with"? :rolleyes:

Like anywhere, take care, don't walk alone late at night, home from work is fine.

risteardo

lightening wrote: »

Like anywhere, take care, don't walk alone late at night, home from work is fine.

Yeah, I'm with Lightening. The north quays and especially New Wapping st are pretty quiet and lonely at night. Absolutely no problem at all walking home from work but any later than that you could jump on a nbr 53 or get a cab. Though I have done the odd drunken stumble home when I couldn't get a cab and had no problem. It'll improve in the next couple of years as people move into Spencer Dock and the Luas makes it's way to the Point, there'll be a lot more life around the whole area. But in general, have no fear and ignore those aghast expressions :eek:!

oldschool

I've lived in East Wall for seven years, and in the past year it's taken a bit of a dive. I don't know if it's because when I moved in, the kids were too young to cause real trouble or something, but I never saw graffiti then or broken car glass on a pavement (I see both now). I reckon the kids are watching too much Sky News and are copying the Asbo kids in the UK, forming mini-gangs, hanging around with their hoods up, throwing stones, breaking windows and shouting abuse at passers-by.

My car was parked on the street on Church Road and they pulled the door handle and the wing mirror off, just for badness.

I don't know if it's just a phase, but there are plently of younger brothers coming up to fill the older ones' shoes, so I don't see it ending any time soon. Up to last year I would have encouraged anyone to move there, but now I couldn't really recommend it. I'm prepared to wait it out myself, though and see if the new developments around the area improve things.

cossieaustralia

Eastwall is a great place to live,ok it's doesn't look like much,but the people are great,down to earth and are very delightfull.I lived there all my life and i turned out great.Own my house,have a job,great friends,what more do u want

thaleus

Bought in Caledon Rd area 5 years ago and totally agree with oldschool -- it's getting worse and I don't see much improvement for at least another 10 years. Most of the local kids are okay but in the last year they've taken to jumping up and down the roof of my car, tearing the marque off a guests parked car, causing mayhem in neighbours gardens, the smashing of ALL the windows in the local Mace etc.. I think twice before recommending friends to park their cars outside my home.

It's a shame because the area is great otherwise-- Location, friendliness of neighbours but at this stage it's given me the impetus to move on.

lightening

thaleus wrote: »

I think twice before recommending friends to park their cars outside my home.

It's a shame because the area is great otherwise-- Location, friendliness of neighbours but at this stage it's given me the impetus to move on.

That's a reall shame Thaleus, sounds terrible. Do you know the kids names, do you know their parents, are they your neighbours? The comunity cops would take that pretty seriously. The mace windows were smashed by one individual that was barred. Little F8cker makes the place look awful.

thaleus

lightening wrote: »

That's a reall shame Thaleus, sounds terrible. Do you know the kids names, do you know their parents, are they your neighbours? The comunity cops would take that pretty seriously. The mace windows were smashed by one individual that was barred. Little F8cker makes the place look awful.

Cheers Lightening. Not only makes the place look awful but drags the perception of the area down. People are starting to ask "is it safe" again.

It's not my direct neighbours kids but suffice to say there's one family on my road. I didn't see the culprit who broke the marque off the car. But will take your advice and report the next incident to the community Guards. I'm sure I'm not the only one experiencing this.

Begs

lightening wrote: »

That's a reall shame Thaleus, sounds terrible. Do you know the kids names, do you know their parents, are they your neighbours? The comunity cops would take that pretty seriously. The mace windows were smashed by one individual that was barred. Little F8cker makes the place look awful.

I, too, think the area has taken a dive over the last while. The windows being smashed in Centra was unreal, it made the place look like baghdad!

I have had property damaged/stolen over the last number of months, and would like to highlight your point about the community cops. They know who did the damage - they identified them from cctv - yet the cops response was, sorry, mate, nothing we can do as they are under 16.

A further incident took place and I am still waiting on an incident report despite 2 reminders. Whilst the community cop may provide assistance their hands are tied from my point of view.

Anyway, I have decided to move on from the area, and although this experience was not the main reason, it did not help. I hope when I visit in 5/10 years the place will look much better, with the LUAS and all the building complete.

Kline

Yes trouble! I have been living in East Wall for three years. The people are generally great and loads of quirky people - which is good for an area.

However, yes, there are a few people who are making lives miserable. I got broken into and loads of stuff robbed. An old geezer went to hospital and then died from what I'd categorically state as being "Tormented and terrorized" by a bunch of skum. Screaming and shouting outside his house and kicking his door. He was unfortunate enough to live on the entrance to a lane.

The garda cant do a thing. One garda told me that a few heads got out of the joy and all the kids think they are the beez knees.

It generally gets worse in Summer and ease off in winter. From October to April due to school, cold outside etc.

Garda are powerless cause of the revolving door system and also the kids are too young to prosecute. 12 - 16. The kids are smart as f_uck but are bored as hell. They have nothing else to do. I have seen them get their own scrambler motorbikes only to be stopped using them on the common even though the common is never used. If you look at other countries such as New Zealand or Canada or the US, they have skateboarding, BMX ramps, Ice Skating etc. all over the cities.

Builders make so much money from these areas yet they put F-uckall back into the places. Oooooooh a few climbing frames and a swing.

Big swing I say

These "bored" kids put a dampner on a great place with great people.

I have a question

What do you do?

zilla

rosiec wrote: »

Hi,

Myself and my friend are thinking of renting on Merchants Road, just off East Wall Road. How safe is the area for 2 girls on their own? What amenities are in the area?. Any information would be great.

wel im 17 since yesterday an live on merchants rd since im 4 its probly the quietest road in east wall !!! r u moving 2 merchants road or merchants sq. ??? ders a shop an a pub bout 5 mins walk frm der an a bus stop at the top of the road !!! its a great place to live all the neighbours are friendly but just use ur common since on who 2 say hello to (like anywere) !!! its not perfect but its better den anywere else in east wall an u shud b perfectly safe

zilla

Kline wrote: »

Yes trouble! I have been living in East Wall for three years. The people are generally great and loads of quirky people - which is good for an area.

However, yes, there are a few people who are making lives miserable. I got broken into and loads of stuff robbed. An old geezer went to hospital and then died from what I'd categorically state as being "Tormented and terrorized" by a bunch of skum. Screaming and shouting outside his house and kicking his door. He was unfortunate enough to live on the entrance to a lane.

The garda cant do a thing. One garda told me that a few heads got out of the joy and all the kids think they are the beez knees.

It generally gets worse in Summer and ease off in winter. From October to April due to school, cold outside etc.

Garda are powerless cause of the revolving door system and also the kids are too young to prosecute. 12 - 16. The kids are smart as f_uck but are bored as hell. They have nothing else to do. I have seen them get their own scrambler motorbikes only to be stopped using them on the common even though the common is never used. If you look at other countries such as New Zealand or Canada or the US, they have skateboarding, BMX ramps, Ice Skating etc. all over the cities.

Builders make so much money from these areas yet they put F-uckall back into the places. Oooooooh a few climbing frames and a swing.

Big swing I say

These "bored" kids put a dampner on a great place with great people.

I have a question

What do you do?

i know dis is out of the blue but do you own a white dog called boo ???

zilla

Begs wrote: »

I, too, think the area has taken a dive over the last while. The windows being smashed in Centra was unreal, it made the place look like baghdad!

I have had property damaged/stolen over the last number of months, and would like to highlight your point about the community cops. They know who did the damage - they identified them from cctv - yet the cops response was, sorry, mate, nothing we can do as they are under 16.

A further incident took place and I am still waiting on an incident report despite 2 reminders. Whilst the community cop may provide assistance their hands are tied from my point of view.

Anyway, I have decided to move on from the area, and although this experience was not the main reason, it did not help. I hope when I visit in 5/10 years the place will look much better, with the LUAS and all the building complete.

i know de youngfella who smashed the centra windows he used 2 b one of my best m8ts !!! not any more !!! hes getn wats cumin 2 him because me an most of my friends have been collared by heavys !! der drivin around in jeeps lookin 4 him !!! the security men dat were on that night had to pay 4 all the windows and them and there friends in the jeeps arent takin 2 nicely 2 it !!!!:eek:

oldschool

'There's nothing for the young people to do' - well, that doesn't mean that it's ok for them to terrorise neighbours, go around spraying graffiti, vandalise cars and smash windows. As a teenager I used to hang around for hours in my estate with my friends, but we stood aside, smiled and said hello to anyone passing by, and never did anything faintly criminal or intimidating. Our parents drummed politeness and good behaviour into us, and it worked.

'There's nothing for the young people to do' just doesn't cut it, sorry.

Kline

oldschool wrote: »

'There's nothing for the young people to do' - well, that doesn't mean that it's ok for them to terrorise neighbours, go around spraying graffiti, vandalise cars and smash windows. As a teenager I used to hang around for hours in my estate with my friends, but we stood aside, smiled and said hello to anyone passing by, and never did anything faintly criminal or intimidating. Our parents drummed politeness and good behaviour into us, and it worked.

'There's nothing for the young people to do' just doesn't cut it, sorry.

"Dont own a white dog sorry"

I am not excusing anyone, dont get me wrong. I'm just saying that from my observations a large part of the problem is the fact that there is nothing much to do other than joining the gang. While it is a blanket statement I dont mean to offend anyone who saw through it all and didnt get sucked in. I've seen nice kids turn nasty in over a period of a year as a result of getting involved in the gang. Gangs are dangeous cause the new kids need to prove themselves to the older ones. Its quite tribal.

davem2007

Hi all,

From the posts I have read here, it seems that 95% of the people have lived in East Wall for a very short time or not at all. They are giving a view of a place in which they had a bad experience unfortunately. I lived in East Wall for all of my childhood and some of my adult life, and then moved on as you do, getting married, and so.

Back in the 70’s, 80’s and some of the 90’s East Wall had a reputation of benign a rough place and had a huge drug problem, today it still has problems, but not as bad as back then. Today East Wall is been regenerated into a vibrant area, new apartments, shops, and amenities for locals and new people alike.

I would like to say if any one was thinking of buying a house in East Wall you would make a very good investment in the property, due to the closeness to the city centre and Dublin port facilities. It’s not 100% but its getting their soon

Earth Worm Jim

Kline wrote: »

Yes trouble! I have been living in East Wall for three years. The people are generally great and loads of quirky people - which is good for an area.

However, yes, there are a few people who are making lives miserable. I got broken into and loads of stuff robbed. An old geezer went to hospital and then died from what I'd categorically state as being "Tormented and terrorized" by a bunch of skum. Screaming and shouting outside his house and kicking his door. He was unfortunate enough to live on the entrance to a lane.

The garda cant do a thing. One garda told me that a few heads got out of the joy and all the kids think they are the beez knees.

It generally gets worse in Summer and ease off in winter. From October to April due to school, cold outside etc.

Garda are powerless cause of the revolving door system and also the kids are too young to prosecute. 12 - 16. The kids are smart as f_uck but are bored as hell. They have nothing else to do. I have seen them get their own scrambler motorbikes only to be stopped using them on the common even though the common is never used. If you look at other countries such as New Zealand or Canada or the US, they have skateboarding, BMX ramps, Ice Skating etc. all over the cities.

Builders make so much money from these areas yet they put F-uckall back into the places. Oooooooh a few climbing frames and a swing.

Big swing I say

These "bored" kids put a dampner on a great place with great people.

I have a question

What do you do?

I live in East Wall and have done for the last 34yrs and I agree totaly in what kline say's - while the kid's in the area can get a bit wild- you have to remind yourself of the fact that a lot of these new developments have f-uck all amenities for them and yet they build more appartments with f-uck all for the kid's - before the developers came in they had a scrambler track out by the dart station which was used by kid's from all over the city centre - and instead of improving this and installing more child/teenage friendly places they replace them with factories and appartment blocks?? And then they wonder why the kid's are hanging around corners -

I know East Wall is getting worse by the day (Drug's/Crime/Anti-Social behaviour) and will continue to get worse until these issues are addressed - As for the people moving in and complaining about this - Do they go to community meeting's or have any imput in resolving any of these problems - the answer is NO -

I know as I have being an active member of the communty for years and I myself have seen very little imput from the "New Residents" There is a lot of people moving into the area and basicaly they live behind closed doors - I remember the community marched on drug dealers houses (Mostly from other areas) and physicaly turfed them out not with any help of the guards - Are the new "Residents" going to do this?? NO -

Do the new residents help support their new community IE the schools/churches/oldfolks/youth-clubs?? NO

So when you put down a complete community like a lot of the previous posters - think of this - Are YOU an active member of the Communty?? - Do you actualy give a f-uck about the Area?? Or are you just looking to buy into an up and coming community trying to make a quick buck for yourself??

East Wall and the surrounding communities are closeknit areas and the "LOCALS" Have and will continue to look out for one another - If you want to be part of a community - BE PART OF A COMMUNITY! don't just sit in your 1 or 2 bed appartment and judge people that have made the communty you so desire to LIVE in. People make communities or did the developers who sold you the property not tell you this??

Have any of the people on here putting the area down even went to a local meeting or tried to improve the area in anyway?? NO

Degsy

Earth Worm Jim wrote: »

I live in East Wall and have done for the last 34yrs and I agree totaly in what kline say's - while the kid's in the area can get a bit wild- you have to remind yourself of the fact that a lot of these new developments have f-uck all amenities for them and yet they build more appartments with f-uck all for the kid's - before the developers came in they had a scrambler track out by the dart station which was used by kid's from all over the city centre - and instead of improving this and installing more child/teenage friendly places they replace them with factories and appartment blocks?? And then they wonder why the kid's are hanging around corners -

I know East Wall is getting worse by the day (Drug's/Crime/Anti-Social behaviour) and will continue to get worse until these issues are addressed - As for the people moving in and complaining about this - Do they go to community meeting's or have any imput in resolving any of these problems - the answer is NO -

I know as I have being an active member of the communty for years and I myself have seen very little imput from the "New Residents" There is a lot of people moving into the area and basicaly they live behind closed doors - I remember the community marched on drug dealers houses (Mostly from other areas) and physicaly turfed them out not with any help of the guards - Are the new "Residents" going to do this?? NO -

Do the new residents help support their new community IE the schools/churches/oldfolks/youth-clubs?? NO

So when you put down a complete community like a lot of the previous posters - think of this - Are YOU an active member of the Communty?? - Do you actualy give a f-uck about the Area?? Or are you just looking to buy into an up and coming community trying to make a quick buck for yourself??

East Wall and the surrounding communities are closeknit areas and the "LOCALS" Have and will continue to look out for one another - If you want to be part of a community - BE PART OF A COMMUNITY! don't just sit in your 1 or 2 bed appartment and judge people that have made the communty you so desire to LIVE in. People make communities or did the developers who sold you the property not tell you this??

Have any of the people on here putting the area down even went to a local meeting or tried to improve the area in anyway?? NO

That was an excellent post.I bought in Finglas five years ago and i love it,mainly because of the strong sense of communituy and the friendliness of the neighbours.This friendliness is automatic up to a point but if you're not contributing anything yyourself you'll soon find the community has nothing to offer you.For example,there are new apartments down the road and the inhabitants dont shop in the area,dont drink in the area,dont go the the gym in the area and sure as hell dont say hello to each other.If people have concerns about a community that they live in,then it is them that have the responsibility to effect change,not sit in their gated apartment blocks,hoping the place will go up in value so they can piss off and make a few bob.

Earth Worm Jim

Degsy wrote: »

That was an excellent post.I bought in Finglas five years ago and i love it,mainly because of the strong sense of communituy and the friendliness of the neighbours.This friendliness is automatic up to a point but if you're not contributing anything yyourself you'll soon find the community has nothing to offer you.For example,there are new apartments down the road and the inhabitants dont shop in the area,dont drink in the area,dont go the the gym in the area and sure as hell dont say hello to each other.If people have concerns about a community that they live in,then it is them that have the responsibility to effect change,not sit in their gated apartment blocks,hoping the place will go up in value so they can piss off and make a few bob.

Cheers Degsy

Finglas is the exact same as East Wall - Great People and Place - You would wonder what the New Residents expect - move the LOCALS out just for them?? They will never settle in with some of the attitudes seen on here.

Glad to hear you settled in out in Finglas and I wish you well with the move - new house - and new communty.

EWJ

donaghs

Its a fair point that new residents should get involved with the local community. But, if someone wants to simply go to work everyday, and then come home, relax, and mind their own business - that's hardly a reason to dislike them?

As someone who's not from the area originally but has spent much time there, I think East Wall is a great area. It has some great people and is close to town and the sea. However, you can understand how new residents might taken aback by sights they have never encountered before - e.g. under-10 year olds shouting abusive names like "c**t". Teenagers harrasing people, esp. elderly. Kids driving scambler and quad bikes on foot paths, parks and busy streets. All that sort of anti-social behaviour just pisses people off and isn't the fault of new people.

Degsy

donaghs wrote: »

Its a fair point that new residents should get involved with the local community. But, if someone wants to simply go to work everyday, and then come home, relax, and mind their own business - that's hardly a reason to dislike them?

As someone who's not from the area originally but has spent much time there, I think East Wall is a great area. It has some great people and is close to town and the sea. However, you can understand how new residents might taken aback by sights they have never encountered before - e.g. under-10 year olds shouting abusive names like "c**t". Teenagers harrasing people, esp. elderly. Kids driving scambler and quad bikes on foot paths, parks and busy streets. All that sort of anti-social behaviour just pisses people off and isn't the fault of new people.

Well if it pisses the new people off so much they should try to do something about it.They can contact the gardai about local crime issues,talk to local councillers,organise community meetings and awareness programmes.They need to do something or shut up.The problem with kids running amok in an area has a lot to do with custom and practise,if they've been getting away with it for a while they tend to think its thier given right to do so.If they're being challanged,harrased by the cops,threatened with eviction etc they soon start to modify their behaviour.ANY antisocial behaviour should be reported,that way the cops can build up a profile and increase policing in an area.Local authorities,too will take steps against persistent offenders but again they need to be notified.Three families from my area are being evicted for antisocial behaviour at the moment,it was a result of a joint operation between local councillers,the gardai and the local community.

davem2007

Hi, Earth Worm Jim

I agree with you 100%, East Wall is steeped in tradition and history and a great community spirit, It’s people like you and many others that try to keep a community involved and together. Times have changed in East Wall some of our traditions have long past, like the parades, St.Josephs Gaa team, The play ground, Even St.Josephs school is been developed (By the way what is been developed on that site?). One thing that hasn’t changed is Paddy the butcher on Church Rd. for a man that never lived in the area; he has done so much for East Wall.
Earth Worm Jim, keep up the good work.

Earth Worm Jim

donaghs wrote: »

Its a fair point that new residents should get involved with the local community. But, if someone wants to simply go to work everyday, and then come home, relax, and mind their own business - that's hardly a reason to dislike them?

Nobody said anything about disliking them (the New Residents) they are the ones complaining about everything and everyone! While doing jack about it!

donaghs wrote: »

However, you can understand how new residents might taken aback by sights they have never encountered before - e.g. under-10 year olds shouting abusive names like "c**t". Teenagers harrasing people, esp. elderly. Kids driving scambler and quad bikes on foot paths, parks and busy streets.

Also if you knew anything about the area you would know that them kids riding their scramblers HAD a track to GO on but it was taken away for development?? And my mother is one of them eldery people and she has never had any sort of abuse or harrasment - My grandmother who lived in East Wall for over 50 years or more never had a bother - the kid's used to look after her - doing her garden and going to the shops for her - People who move into an area that has families have to expect KIDS hanging around if there is nothing else for them to do - What do you expect the kids to do stay in and not go out??

donaghs wrote: »

All that sort of anti-social behaviour just pisses people off and isn't the fault of new people.

And nobody said the anti-social behaviour was the fault of the NEW PEOPLE - we have lived with it for years - they move in and complain about it while doing jack sh!t about it??:(

I agree with you 100%, East Wall is steeped in tradition and history and a great community spirit, It’s people like you and many others that try to keep a community involved and together. Times have changed in East Wall some of our traditions have long past, like the parades, St.Josephs Gaa team, The play ground, Even St.Josephs school is been developed (By the way what is been developed on that site?). One thing that hasn’t changed is Paddy the butcher on Church Rd. for a man that never lived in the area; he has done so much for East Wall.

The old boy's school will be a state of the art community centre and about 30yrs too late but at least its there now - And Paddy the butcher has been great in the community for years - the NEW RESIDENTS wouldn't even know who he was??

lightening

I was new to East wall in the early 90's. I found it very welcoming. However, as the years went on more and more people moved in. I found people that were not from Dublin simply wouldn't mix. Not all of them of course, but some of them felt they were way above the locals.

That doesn't make good community spirit.

I was in with Paddy yesterday. Gas man and a great swimmer!

Earth Worm Jim

lightening wrote: »

I was new to East wall in the early 90's. I found it very welcoming. However, as the years went on more and more people moved in. I found people that were not from Dublin simply wouldn't mix. Not all of them of course, but some of them felt they were way above the locals.
That doesn't make good community spirit.

I was in with Paddy yesterday. Gas man and a great swimmer!

Thats it in a nutshell - A lot of People that pay good money to move into an area feel like the locals are surplus to their requirements and don't deserve to live in an area the grew up in and helped create - for example when checking out the new developments once they hear of social or affordable housing they go green with envy/anger/jealousy - but don't realize or bother to think that because of the influx of NEW PEOPLE into the area the LOCALS and their children can't afford to live in the area they grew up in. It is like a form of ethnic cleansing - soon most families will be driven out of areas the grew up in due to unafordable homes??

And Paddy Knows you get back what you put in - thats why he is still in business all these years.

gurramok

I've just came back from a wanderous walk around East Wall specifically having a gawk at the building sites like Point Village and all the way up to Castleforbes and over to Ossory.
I walked loads of streets in East Wall, even rundown ones and didn't feel one bit threatened in the afternoon or in dusk. The only 'perceived threats' were groups of teenagers hanging around on Church Rd shops, i wouldn't even classify it as a threat as thats what kids do anywhere.

Kids were out playing on the street despite a run down building nearby, i even spotted gardai on foot patrol, that is a luxury these days!

Even Sheriff St which is not East Wall afaik was safe!

However, when i walked on the other side of the Ossory bridge around Seville place, there were indeed rough types hanging around, by god that place is dodge city :eek:

donaghs

Earth Worm Jim wrote: »

Thats it in a nutshell - A lot of People that pay good money to move into an area feel like the locals are surplus to their requirements and don't deserve to live in an area the grew up in and helped create - for example when checking out the new developments once they hear of social or affordable housing they go green with envy/anger/jealousy - but don't realize or bother to think that because of the influx of NEW PEOPLE into the area the LOCALS and their children can't afford to live in the area they grew up in. It is like a form of ethnic cleansing - soon most families will be driven out of areas the grew up in due to unafordable homes??

I think we can agree that there's nothing wrong with some "new people", moving into an area, but its better if they help integrate and participate in the community.

Its sad when you have to leave to place you grew up, but thats what most people do when they get to a certain age and go looking for work and there first home away from home. In terms of buying your first place, how many Dubliners can afford to buy their first house near the street where they grew up? What about all the people who grew up in D4, D6, Blackrock, Stillorgan, Clontarf? Why can't they live where they grew up? I would say whole streets in these areas are "ethnically cleansed" once the parents move or die. The children can't afford to buy there, so some wealthier outsider steps in and buys up the property. They were saying the same thing in Ringsend years ago - but being in D4 right beside town they couldn't hold back the tide of "new people". If you think house prices have gone up in East Wall you should have a look at other parts of Dublin. Its nice to have continuity of a community, but is it a right?

gurramok

I do know that in Ringsend they have a housing association that has built new affordable houses for locals. I think it was peculiar to Dublin. I think the place where they built them was in a side street called 'Fairview something' across from the new library, not to be mixed up with the suburb of the same name!

Somebody here might know more, it's a pity East Wall didn't copy this.