Brief Doom3 rant

R_Tribesman

*I start the game*

*New game*

Me: Errrr, Resident evil movie ripoff?

Union aerospace corperation (Umberella Corperation?)

"Largest company blah blah, manufacturing blah blah, biological experementation blah blah", exact same dialogue as the resident evil movie intro....

I mean, come on for christ sakes, it even has honeycomb shapes in the backround!!! I just laughed when i saw that. Resident evil uses the honeycomb thing because its about the hive and all that, correct me if im wrong, but what has Doom got to do with a hive? or honeycomb in general for that matter.
Coincedence? I think not.

On another note how can walking around in pitch black rooms be considered fun or scary? [sarc]That has never ever been done in a game before. Ever.[/sarc] And you can't equip you gun with your flashlight... wouldnt military on such a dark unkown planet, in a dark city have flashlights on their guns? I mean, they do have UNLIMITED budget afterall.

Flying heads of fire.... eh? Would the fire not just eventually consume the head? How is it flying? WHY is it flying? Why a head? Why on fire? WTF?

So, despite my first impressions i continue to play... they send me to a very dangerous part of the base with a pistol(Eh?). I eventually meet a few enemies and after a number of fights i wonder why the zombies guns are more powrful than mine. For some reason my shotgun does affect their aim whatsoever however their shotguns knock my aim WAY off and before i get a chance to recover they have shot me again and again. Lets pretend for a second that they're just stronger than me or something and are able to absorb these shots, then why does their shotgun launches me half way across the room? When i shoot them they just stand there shooting back...

Ok, was it just me or do the zombies only appear when you pickup armor shards? Heres something to do, run through the entire game without picking up a shard, medkit, ammo or PDA and you win.

As you can tell im very unimpressed with the game. Has anyone else noticed any of the above, or can anyone offer an explanation to any of them?

*watches the resident evil movie intro one more time*

Niall.


PS. These are just my opinions lets not start a flame fest :rolleyes:

R_Tribesman

Ok, in review perhaps its not resident evil that uses honeycomb shapes. I think its metal gear solid 2.

eyerer

it wasn't that brief
i haven't played the game, but you seem to be whining an awful lot
as they say, if you don't like the game, don't play it
though unfortunately now (assuming you bought it) you can't return it if you don't like it, which is another rant altogether

incidently its a computer game, not reality, gameplay is balanced to give challenge/fun rather than boring old realism, besides how real can it be? mars with a load of monsters? (points out unrealism)

demons from hell, well i'd imagine they would be stronger than a marine

enjoy your game

bizmark

Never played doom then :rolleyes: that’s the way doom has always been the lost souls have always been on fire it just looks cool why does there have to be a logical reason for it ? Your poking holes in the logic of a game set on mars in the future fighting an invasion from hell ffs.

RicardoSmith

The lighting trick is just a trick to make a dull game interesting. A bad sign if you ask me.

Pugsley

Having a flashlight on a gun isnt all good, add's wieght to the end of the barrel, makes it harder to aim............ but why are you ranting about the realism of Doom anyway? play the origional if you want uber realism :rolleyes:

CuLT

Flying heads of fire.... eh? Would the fire not just eventually consume the head? How is it flying? WHY is it flying? Why a head? Why on fire? WTF?

ROFL.

I'll just echo bizmark's response;

Your poking holes in the logic of a game set on mars in the future fighting an invasion from hell ffs.

RicardoSmith

bizmark wrote:

... Your poking holes in the logic of a game set on mars in the future fighting an invasion from hell ffs.

I don't think the flashlight can be seen as part of the game logic. It a crutch for poor game play.

R_Tribesman

eyerer wrote:

but you seem to be whining an awful lot
as they say, if you don't like the game, don't play it

I never understand why people seem to take some sort of offense to posts like these. Firstly, im not whining, im pointing out the basic problems with a game thats supposed to be the next generation in gaming and frankly doesnt cut it. A game with such cutting edge technology(in the gfx department) lacks even the tuch of realism that makes an enemy twitch when you shoot it. Secondly i dont like it and im not playing it. I turned it off when i realised you could walk through most of the game without encountering an enemy by not picking stuff up.

eyerer wrote:

incidently its a computer game, not reality, gameplay is balanced to give challenge/fun rather than boring old realism

I'm always the first to hold gameplay over realism, however ALL games are expected to have a small bit of realism. If not then why aren't cel-shaded games more fun and popular than realistic games?

eyerer wrote:

demons from hell, well i'd imagine they would be stronger than a marine

Exactly, they ARE more stronger than marines, however they are posessing a human body so im sure the host would remain the same weight(meaning i should be able to shoot them across the room as they do to me).

It's just a very cliche game is all im saying, everything in it has been done before, its just an average fps as Gamespot put it.

Niall

tman

eyerer wrote:

it wasn't that brief
i haven't played the game, but you seem to be whining an awful lot
as they say, if you don't like the game, don't play it
though unfortunately now (assuming you bought it) you can't return it if you don't like it, which is another rant altogether

i somehow doubt he bought it, which makes his whining seem all the more petty.

bizmark

The darkness and flashlight which can not be used with a gun is there to add suspense to the game much like the limited health ammo and saves add suspense to resident evil i would assume

Why are you so hard on the game?

R_Tribesman

With regards to pugsley's reply, true that flashlights on guns do ad weight. But even in our modern world special forces or whatever have flashlights on guns and they dont have any problems. This game is in the future, couldnt they work out a better technology for lighter flashlights? (im not trying to trivialise the world its set in, im just making an example of why its bad gameplay+realism). If the torch is too heavy for their guns then why not have it attached to the helmet or enviro suit?

This is a small issue i suppose so its not worth even discussing, its just one of my points.

Niall

[EDIT] Well, im not being hard on the game as such, i havent talked about the games good points, im just focusing on the games bad points because im really dissatisfied. It has the potential to be a stunning game and if some of my first points were addressed before released it would have been so so much better. Perhaps it was rushed toward the end. Halflife2 wasnt rush (lol delays, delays, delays) and thats what will make them worlds apart.

Niall

Cabaal

R_Tribesman wrote:

*I start the game*
Flying heads of fire.... eh? Would the fire not just eventually consume the head? How is it flying? WHY is it flying? Why a head? Why on fire? WTF?
<SNIP OF MOANING & BITCHING>

There demons ffs!
They can do what they want to, next your gona say zombie's are stupid because they have no heart beat yet they still walk around the place...sigh

Stop your bitching and go and play Doom 1 & 2 for awhile and learn what good gameplay is..

R_Tribesman

hehe cabaal, i accept that they are demons, and now i understand why they fly and how the fire doesnt consume the head, but i still think the flaming heads is some sad attempt at making them a bit scary after a night of smoking the expensive ganj. Couldnt they have made some sort of spirit in a different form that doesnt look so ridiculous?

Niall

bizmark

Have you even played doom 1 2 and final doom ?

R_Tribesman

This is getting funny now, i said lets not make this a flamefest. I'm voicing my opinions on the game and im looking for you opinions and explanations(which cabaal kindly offered), why say that im whining? why call me petty?

Can we not just have a discussion?

Niall

Cabaal

R_Tribesman wrote:

hehe cabaal, i accept that they are demons, and now i understand why they fly and how the fire doesnt consume the head, but i still think the flaming heads is some sad attempt at making them a bit scary after a night of smoking the expensive ganj. Couldnt they have made some sort of spirit in a different form that doesnt look so ridiculous?

Niall

Ah its Doom 3 ffs
Its following on from Doom 1 & 2, flying heads are in previous Doom
I got the history of doom as a word doc here if you wana read it, if that'll stop you moaning about them

tbh it seems like you either wana moan, troll or start a flame war here....

R_Tribesman

I have played 2 and final doom, and im aware of the flaming heads being present in past doom games.

I still think its a bit funny though.

Niall

rabid

In the immortal words of Michael Palin in the Life of Brian....

"You Lucky Ba%tard. You lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky ba*tard"

I have to wait till next Friday or beyond before I get to rant me whole off....

The game does look amazing and the reviews have largely been very positive....the one thing I'm keeping in the back of my mind is that ID make brilliant game engines that have spawned some amazing games- i.e. HL...etc. and its usually the muliplayer element of their games that caused more of a buzz.......but not in this case....and I think I'll give them the benefit of the doubt....

And finally, how in all that is holy can you even mention Resident Evil in the same thread as D3, christ that game made me want to give myself a melvin....

CivilServant

RicardoSmith wrote:

I don't think the flashlight can be seen as part of the game logic. It a crutch for poor game play.

Hurrah, well spotted! This game sucks monkey balls, bigtime. The scenery doesn't change, the game doesn't change. Doom3 should compel me to complete the game in one sitting. I've played several times now and stopped after an hour each time cos I just got bored.

bizmark

Look bud you cant be very narrow minded when dealing with games set in the future fighting an invasion from hell the basic plot is impossible so does it REALLY matter theres a few flying heads around ?

Cabaal

CivilServant wrote:

Hurrah, well spotted! This game sucks monkey balls, bigtime. The scenery doesn't change, the game doesn't change. Doom3 should compel me to complete the game in one sitting. I've played several times now and stopped after an hour each time cos I just got bored.

Many people thought the same of Quake III but look where that ended up at LAN's etc

R_Tribesman

Just learn from my mistake rabid, dont have too high expectations, you might get let down.

Yeh, Resident Evil and Doom3 are completely different games. But i was mainly referring to the Res Evil movie.

And back to doom3, something that they done which i havent saw before in a game i found really good was the way they handled computer screens. You can actually navigate them with the crosshair without ever leaving first person mode. That was sweet.


Niall

RicardoSmith

The last few ID games have been pants. I don't buy a game to say ooh thats a nice engine, but to play a decent game. The HL AI, well the troppers anyway is a world away from what we've seen in the ID games.

Limited health and saves are very delicate to get right. You can ruin a game very easily by making it too hard or too easy. Not having a flash light is a means of making a game thats too easy and/or too short, harder and longer.

What the odds there'll be a gamma hack as soon as its released.

RicardoSmith

bizmark wrote:

Look bud you cant be very narrow minded when dealing with games set in the future fighting an invasion from hell the basic plot is impossible so does it REALLY matter theres a few flying heads around ?

Flying heads I could care less about. They were annoying in Doom 1 & 2 aswell. Some decent AI enemies that make you go "ooh you sneaky git" I prefer to see.

CivilServant

Cabaal wrote:

Many people thought the same of Quake III but look where that ended up at LAN's etc

True, but with a 4 player limit in doom3 can't see it getting very far. Quake3 and UT2003/04 are pure shooters, I don't think doom3 multi will fit in with this category. Unless you call 4 players wandering around a pitch black room fun!

RicardoSmith

CivilServant wrote:

True, but with a 4 player limit in doom3 can't see it getting very far. Quake3 and UT2003/04 are pure shooters, I don't think doom3 multi will fit in with this category. Unless you call 4 players wandering around a pitch black room fun!

Quake3 and UT2003/04 were ok on a lan, but there was nothing new about them either. There were guys in our office who played the same quake2 level for about 3 years straight. Now personally I would find that as boring as hell but each to their own.

R_Tribesman

Very good point ricardo. Key to any good game is AI. In Doom3 the closest thing i saw to good AI was 2 marine zombies just zerging at me and dying.

I THOUGHT for a second that i saw some spectacular AI when there was this alien thing feasting on a corpse suddenly it looking up and jumped at me (i was behind a window in a locked room) and as soon as it hit the glass it ran up the wall in front of me and dissappeared out of sight. I thought this was pretty cool and wondered if it was AI and the alien was searching for a way to find me or if it was just scripted, until i got further on in the level and saw the *exact* same thing.

Niall

Cabaal

CivilServant wrote:

True, but with a 4 player limit in doom3 can't see it getting very far. Quake3 and UT2003/04 are pure shooters, I don't think doom3 multi will fit in with this category. Unless you call 4 players wandering around a pitch black room fun!

They could patch the game down the line to allow more players, anything is possiable tbh

R_Tribesman

Theres already a mod out that allows 32 player servers.

Look at the first release of farcry. It had tremendous problem handelling the engine with large amounts of players. (particularly the vehicles). Maybe Id are waiting, so as not to make the same mistakes. Or maybe not lol.


Niall

Ciaran500

The MP that ships with D3 is limited to 4players. Any modder can easily change that.

EDIT: Tribesman beat me to it.

CuLT

RicardoSmith wrote:

The last few ID games have been pants. I don't buy a game to say ooh thats a nice engine, but to play a decent game. The HL AI, well the troppers anyway is a world away from what we've seen in the ID games.

Limited health and saves are very delicate to get right. You can ruin a game very easily by making it too hard or too easy. Not having a flash light is a means of making a game thats too easy and/or too short, harder and longer.

What the odds there'll be a gamma hack as soon as its released.

You've apparently missed the whole point of the game. Congratulations, must have been hard.

ChipZilla

RicardoSmith wrote:

What the odds there'll be a gamma hack as soon as its released.

Can you not just whack up the gamma in your video card driver?

CivilServant

You can change the gamma via the console ingame.

Giblet

Yeah change the gamma, because it being too dark sucks, and it makes the game crap. Making it bright and dayglowy is the best way to play it, then I can sniper mr demon with a pistol from miles away, what fun.

The gameplay is fantastic, I just played for 5 hours straight and it's brilliant. Lighting a crutch for poor gameplay? I'm sorry but what game are you playing? "It's hard to get the balance right.." It's perfect. Play it on Veteran, and it's a hard bastard of a game, and you always survive with just the right amount of health to get you through, but make you panic.

Seriously lads, what the hell are you looking for in a game?


EDIT: Ricardosmith hasn't even played the game according to another post he made. Please shut up now halflife fan boy.

eyerer

you misunderstood, i'm not offended by what you said
note the smilie at the end of my post

but saying HL2 is better, when its not realeased, is just stupid (unless you've played some underground haxxored version?)

some people just expect too much, play the game, if its fun - great, if not - play another
high expectations only lead to disappointment

RicardoSmith

If eye candy and a mindlessly simple game is what floats your boat then enjoy. I was hoping for something better than Spear of Destiny with nice visuals.

Giblet

Mindlessly simple? Wait till you play it at least.
Hey I hear theres another 10 WW2 fps's coming out, fun!

RicardoSmith

Giblet wrote:

Mindlessly simple? Wait till you play it at least.
Hey I hear theres another 10 WW2 fps's coming out, fun!

I'm not going to pay €40 based on the reviews I've seen so far.

Gyck

For Gods sake, this is DOOM 3, and it's only a game.

Perhaps it's been cursed like Alien (3), but compaired to Doom and Doom 2 I'm expecting superior AI, excellent visuals, and lots of sweat. I've not played the game yet, so I stand to be dissappointed, but l'm not going to start splitting hairs and rating it over any other game that compares with the same premise (i.e. simplistic plots).

Richardo, we've been in the same playing environment (ah, Descent), and it's not just about a bunch of mindless software engineers playing the same level of Quake 2 at lunch. I've loved palying Doom, Doom 2, Quake and Quake 2 in mindless and what seems to be endless sessions. We both grew tired of that in Clonskeagh, but that won't stop me from looking forward to the possiblilites of Doom3, regardless of how simplistic the gameplay might be. We have too many other diversions outside of this to let it become such an important part of life...

So, despite the hype, I hope I enjoy playing this as much as I enjoyed Doom, or Doom 2.

Crash

ricardo you realise you're sitting there going "omfg look at the **** gameplay" without having played it right? mmkay then just wanted to get that straight.

now quick question - are there Cyberdemons? :P
let there be cyberdemons - please let there be cyberdemons.

CuLT

RicardoSmith wrote:

I'm not going to pay €40 based on the reviews I've seen so far.

If you haven't even played it then kindly remove your cranium from the rectally inverted position it appears to have secured itself in and don't comment.

You actually took it upon yourself to comment with absolutely no experience? You realise now that all of your points are entirely null, right?

RuggieBear

CuLT wrote:

You actually took it upon yourself to comment with absolutely no experience? You realise now that all of your points are entirely null, right?

Well loath as i am to get involved....i have played it and i do believe alot of his points are valid! Maybe i'm just disallusioned with traipsing around corridors fighting the same "suprise" enemies but it is a little dull.....

RicardoSmith

CuLT wrote:

If you haven't even played it then kindly remove your cranium from the rectally inverted position it appears to have secured itself in and don't comment.

You actually took it upon yourself to comment with absolutely no experience? You realise now that all of your points are entirely null, right?

Its a thread titled Doom3 rant, not a rail gun love in. Elighten me what are the new gameplay elements? All the reviews say there aren't any.

RicardoSmith

Gyck wrote:

.......I'm expecting superior AI, excellent visuals, and lots of sweat.....I've not played the game yet, so I stand to be dissappointed....

Apparently dire AI, excellent visuals, and yeuck thats really too much detail....

Dissappointed, maybe not. You're a bit of a FPS whore aren't you

BTW you want that Vietcong from me?

ykt0di9url7bc3

CivilServant wrote:

Hurrah, well spotted! This game sucks monkey balls, bigtime. The scenery doesn't change, the game doesn't change. Doom3 should compel me to complete the game in one sitting. I've played several times now and stopped after an hour each time cos I just got bored.

:rolleyes:

yes i love the games where we have a snow level, a sewer level, an open are where OMG you pick up a sniper rifle, a close quaters level...with lots of shotty ammo... D3 doest so much for the scenery it gives... there are no expectations or insights to whats around the next corner bar traps ammo and demons..which is doom's style


right i posted before that it had a lot of survival horror influence... it can be seen as a plus or a minus depending on your tastes


loving D3

jmcc

Seems no matter how hard the game developers try to develop the AI of the characters in the games, there is just no beating the Natural Stupidity of the players. It is a game. Get over it.

Regards...jmcc

bizmark

Its pritty crazy though that one guy seems bent on bad mouthing the game with out ever playing it

RicardoSmith

jmcc wrote:

Seems no matter how hard the game developers try to develop the AI of the characters in the games, there is just no beating the Natural Stupidity of the players. It is a game. Get over it.

Regards...jmcc

Why bother when most gamers won't notice its the same game. New box, add a number make it look nicer, product done. A friend of mine works in a games company in the UK, one of the fastest growing ones, when all many are struggling. What do they do? Make sequels and platform conversions. It what the publishers want to sell because its a sure thing. New games don't get a look in. Heres you all are saying D3 is great. I ask cool whats new in it, and it goes all quiet.

RicardoSmith

bizmark wrote:

Its pritty crazy though that one guy seems bent on bad mouthing the game with out ever playing it

Correction its not just one, and personally I'm not bad mouthing it, unless you call expressing my dissappointment with the game based on the reviews and posts I've read, bad mouthing it. In which case I am. Yeah its just a game. I'm dissappointed its not a better one though.

CuLT

pekelly wrote:

Well loath as i am to get involved....i have played it and i do believe alot of his points are valid! Maybe i'm just disallusioned with traipsing around corridors fighting the same "suprise" enemies but it is a little dull.....

Fine pekelly, if you have played the game then you obviously can speak from experience, I'm saying that Ricardosmiths points are just regurgitated second hand opinions.

Also, if you find it dull, maybe you're just too hardk0re .

Ricardosmith:
I don't recall having mentioned anything about new gameplay elements, from what I remember, I just claimed it's been a fúckload of fun, more or less.

Doom 3 delivers what it promised, it didn't claim to revolutionise the way we think about games; it promised to be beautiful, it promised to be Doom, and that is what we got.