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The real problem with Housing in Ireland

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    #302
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/family-of-eight-to-endure-a-fourth-homeless-christmas-1.4124143?mode=amp

    Margaret cash round 2, no personal responsibility, complete gouging for a free gaf.

    The father works as a courier which can mean quite long hours. It's a normal family and they are willing to pay whatever rent the council set

    Ah that's bit harsh. Not comparable to the Cash case at all


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    #303
    [Deleted User]
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Margaret cashs family would be a family unit if the justice system didnt keep taking daddy away.
    “Sold from under them” if the landlord was making money he wouldnt have sold or the bank may have taken it, dont put blame on him. They have a 3 bed apartment in dublin and are not homeless, theyve been on the housing list for over a decade and with that many kids it would be a miracle if they hadnt already been offered and refused a property. This is one of multiple stories about them campaigning fof 4 bed social houses so its clear what the target is.

    The apartment doesnt have a back garden for horses so no use...

    They’re a family United since his release from custody.


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    #304
    Maewyn Succat
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Maewyn Succat


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I wonder when they were at it was someone saying the same about them?
    People only get what they are eligible for. Just because it's getting tighter doesn't mean those eligible are getting less deserving.

    I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Please explain..who's they? My parents?


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    #305
    Millicently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Millicently


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    The father works as a courier which can mean quite long hours. It's a normal family and they are willing to pay whatever rent the council set

    Ah that's bit harsh. Not comparable to the Cash case at all
    The surname is the giveaway. I'm guessing it's exactly like the Cash case where no rent was paid and the only way to get rid of them was to sell the house. There have been a few houses where I live where the only way landlords were able to get rid of their nightmare tenants was to just sell up. The father of the kids is described as a Courier, that's fairly vague, it doesn't say how often he works or what his income is. 175 euro per fortnight in rent is nothing. With 6 kids and the bulk of their rent paid for them they're coining in more than a working couple with 2 kids who are renting privately or paying a mortgage.


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    #306
    SaintLeibowitz
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    Yurt! wrote: »
    I have to laugh, a Neo-Thatcherite praising one of the most disastrous social engineering policies of the 20th century to have a pop at social housing lists in Ireland.

    FYI many demographers and economists maintain the one child policy didn't actually have any effect on the fertility rate which was in steep decline by the early 80s in any case. Those that wanted to have additional children had them anyway in the countryside without a hukou. I've met several.

    A fairly pathetic post. In a free society, people have the god-given and constitutionally granted right to have as many children as they please, no matter what proto-fascist goons on the internet say.

    .. And goons on the Internet we hope they remain.


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    #307
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Anyway , housing ??
    Lack of houses ...? Too expensive to build new houses ....

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #308
    Idbatterim
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    Too expensive to build apartments. If they were single aspect , they can be built much cheaper, way more efficient use of space. Of course there is the tax aspect too.

    When lowvincome workers struggling to house themselves or can’t , paying a marginal tax rate if fifty percent. Of course Margaret cash etc will be brought up , workers could keep more of their income if there wasn’t a twenty one billion euro welfare slush fund!


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    #309
    Jinglejangle69
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Too expensive to build apartments. If they were single aspect , they can be built much cheaper, way more efficient use of space. Of course there is the tax aspect too.

    When lowvincome workers struggling to house themselves or can’t , paying a marginal tax rate if fifty percent. Of course Margaret cash etc will be brought up , workers could keep more of their income if there wasn’t a twenty one billion euro welfare slush fund!

    No low income workers pay 50% tax.

    1 million low income workers in Ireland pay no income tax so I’ve no idea where you get that figure from.


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    #310
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 13,021 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    No low income workers pay 50% tax.

    1 million low income workers in Ireland pay no income tax so I’ve no idea where you get that figure from.

    Above 35k-ish you're into a very high marginal rate of tax (something close to 50%, not sure the exact figure). In Dublin especially that isn't a particularly high income.


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    #311
    Sweet.Science
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    Anyway , housing ??
    Lack of houses ...? Too expensive to build new houses ....


    New reports today say developers want to slow down building new houses


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    #312
    Wanderer78
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    New reports today say developers want to slow down building new houses

    market must be overheating!:rolleyes:


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    #313
    Idbatterim
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    No low income workers pay 50% tax.

    1 million low income workers in Ireland pay no income tax so I’ve no idea where you get that figure from.

    The marginal rate which is fifty percent hits low income workers. 35k is a low income...


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    #314
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    mikemac2 wrote: »
    The father works as a courier which can mean quite long hours. It's a normal family and they are willing to pay whatever rent the council set

    Ah that's bit harsh. Not comparable to the Cash case at all

    4 kids post getting on the housing list is poor planning. What did they expect?

    I hate when people run to the media on things like this, and the media bend over and spew out a sob story


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    #315
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Yurt! wrote: »
    You missed the part of the article where it's noted that the father is a taxpaying worker.

    Rant rant rant, Margret Cash, MY TAXES.

    You were subsidised, deal with it.

    Can you explain what the family want?

    They are in essence as secure as many renters up and down the country, with more bedrooms already then they can afford than if they were privately renting.

    What do they want? Why are they do be treated better than private renters?


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    #316
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Can you explain what the family want?

    They are in essence as secure as many renters up and down the country, with more bedrooms already then they can afford than if they were privately renting.

    What do they want? Why are they do be treated better than private renters?


    Yes

    They want a 5 bed house with a side entrance that they dont have to pay rent on.


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    #317
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Is there anyone on here who thinks there isn't a serious problem with housing ..? (For years now )
    Does every talk about housing have to come down to a they don't deserve it ...
    Housing is too expensive to build ,and it's pretty much too expensive to rent now ..
    People still need houses to live in ,before the state provided the housing and rent security , keeping the rents lower.
    Now the state is paying ,but very little rent security ,and the rates are going through the roof ... And we're short of houses.

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #318
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Is there anyone on here who thinks there isn't a serious problem with housing ..? (For years now )
    Does every talk about housing have to come down to a they don't deserve it ...
    Housing is too expensive to build ,and it's pretty much too expensive to rent now ..
    People still need houses to live in ,before the state provided the housing and rent security , keeping the rents lower.
    Now the state is paying ,but very little rent security ,and the rates are going through the roof ... And we're short of houses.

    I think the problem is making housing affordable, as opposed to more social.

    They need to utilise social stock alot better


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    #319
    Thelonious Monk
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    Millicently wrote: »
    The surname is the giveaway. I'm guessing it's exactly like the Cash case where no rent was paid and the only way to get rid of them was to sell the house. There have been a few houses where I live where the only way landlords were able to get rid of their nightmare tenants was to just sell up. The father of the kids is described as a Courier, that's fairly vague, it doesn't say how often he works or what his income is. 175 euro per fortnight in rent is nothing. With 6 kids and the bulk of their rent paid for them they're coining in more than a working couple with 2 kids who are renting privately or paying a mortgage.

    You have a certain manner of PlaneSpeeking when you post about Cash and Climate Change etc, it's almost familiar...


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    #320
    Jane98
    Registered Users Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Jane98


    Anyone read this article:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/record-spend-of-120m-on-direct-provision-in-2019-38808625.html

    The state expects to spend €120million in 2020 on the direct provision system. It mentions that there are approximately 6000 people in the direct provision system this Christmas. That works out at €20k per person. Unbelievabley bad value for money imo.


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    #321
    [Deleted User]
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    Jane98 wrote: »
    Anyone read this article:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/record-spend-of-120m-on-direct-provision-in-2019-38808625.html

    The state expects to spend €120million in 2020 on the direct provision system. It mentions that there are approximately 6000 people in the direct provision system this Christmas. That works out at €20k per person. Unbelievabley bad value for money imo.

    Direct provision has nothing to do with homelessness.


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    Jane98
    Registered Users Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Jane98


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Direct provision has nothing to do with homelessness.


    Those in direct provision need housing and the title of the thread is about housing and not homelessness.


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    #323
    [Deleted User]
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    Jane98 wrote: »
    Those in direct provision need housing and the title of the thread is about housing and not homelessness.

    They have to be granted right to stay before housing becomes an issue. Though, the process could be speeded up somewhat. Just because they are given the right to stay doesn’t mean that the state has to house them.


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    #324
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,843 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Jane98 wrote: »
    Anyone read this article:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/record-spend-of-120m-on-direct-provision-in-2019-38808625.html

    The state expects to spend €120million in 2020 on the direct provision system. It mentions that there are approximately 6000 people in the direct provision system this Christmas. That works out at €20k per person. Unbelievabley bad value for money imo.

    One in 6 are given permission to stay in Ireland- does this include the spoofers given leave to remain anyone know? They can repatriate their families once given the nod.god only knows the total cost of housing, welfare, repatriation etc once the stint in direct provision ends


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    #325
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,843 ✭✭✭enricoh


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Direct provision has nothing to do with homelessness.

    Really? So when their stint in direct provision ends and they are housed by the state where do they end up? In accommodation the government outbid the competition ie ordinary workers for, thus reduucing housing stock. or are they housed in some parallel universe I haven't heard of ?!


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    #326
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    enricoh wrote: »
    Really? So when their stint in direct provision ends and they are housed by the state where do they end up? In accommodation the government outbid the competition is ordinary workers for, thus reduucing housing stock. or are they housed in some parallel universe I haven't heard of ?!

    Hopefully, they end up in steady jobs and can afford to pay for their own needs. Same as the vast majority of us.


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    #327
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hopefully, they end up in steady jobs and can afford to pay for their own needs. Same as the vast majority of us.

    if even 10% ended up that way in my lifetime id be shocked.


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    #328
    NovemberWren
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭NovemberWren


    that building at 21 Aungier Street, surely it could not really include 71 apartments.
    (but imo it is good that the Council would consider handing it over), though, to who?

    The Peter McVerry Trust, prob., but should this be an 'interim' arrangement and a defined timespan.

    The people that built these buildings in the first place, did so with clarity and alacrity; and so, they are lovely buildings; and, thus, have stood the test of time. The Dublin Historic society are perfectly right to be worried. These are Dublin.

    71 apartments may be far too many; - compromise the windows (and even Napoleon had laws about windows), and voila, the building outlook (and fabric) is damaged.

    But, in Dublin, the main begrudgery, about inner city housing, is: Ceilings. These are probably 10ft., (now most are 8ft.).

    Do the very poor 'deserve' these.... with one strong proviso; when in situ they themselves assess and pay maintenance. ?


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    #329
    Patrick2010
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    enricoh wrote: »
    Really? So when their stint in direct provision ends and they are housed by the state where do they end up? In accommodation the government outbid the competition ie ordinary workers for, thus reduucing housing stock. or are they housed in some parallel universe I haven't heard of ?!

    They’ll go into private accommodation rented by the state, where else would they go?, everyone knows this.
    The idea that there is no connection between housing asylum seekers/economic migrants and the supply of houses available to locals is ridiculous.
    50 more Syrians just arrived yesterday to be housed here, are they all just going to find jobs and house themselves?
    The only unsafe are in Libya is Idlib, surely they could find a safe area somewhere else in Libya


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    #330
    Chinasea
    Registered Users Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    Wow, let's blame asylum seekers ahh?

    How's about the young Spanish cleaner (in my work) with a zero hours contract, shares a room with a complete stranger in a house of 13 people. And the Romanian girl who mobs up puke and **** daily in the hospital, who is living in a house with 9 others and could not afford the fare to fly home for Christmas, no holiday pay either. How's about instead of trying to blame foreigners, we remember who is actually doing what in this country and CONTRIBUTING. Who speaks up for them.


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    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Chinasea wrote: »
    Wow, let's blame asylum seekers ahh?

    How's about the young Spanish cleaner (in my work) with a zero hours contract, shares a room with a complete stranger in a house of 13 people. And the Romanian girl who mobs up puke and **** daily in the hospital, who is living in a house with 9 others and could not afford the fare to fly home for Christmas, no holiday pay either. How's about instead of trying to blame foreigners, we remember who is actually doing what in this country and CONTRIBUTING. Who speaks up for them.

    Why come here if life is ****e here?


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