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Homophobia still alive in modern Ireland

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  • 20-05-2017 12:01pm
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    Annasopra
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    I think sometimes there can be a perception that homophobia doesn't exist anymore here in this country since May 23rd 2015.

    It does. The george was vandalised last night

    https://lovindublin.com/news/pic-the-george-nightclub-got-horrifically-vandalised-last-night

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    pilly
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    It's a couple of scumbags that did that. Doesn't suggest that homophobia is rampant.


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    Professor Moriarty
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    pilly wrote: »
    It's a couple of scumbags that did that. Doesn't suggest that homophobia is rampant.

    It's homophobia nonetheless.


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    mikemac2
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    Why are Dublin City council cleaning it? It's a private business which is trading , not an abandoned building


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    wakka12
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    I don't think anyone said there was no homophobia anymore
    And one or group of vandals shouldn't take away from the progress thats clearly been made since then
    Still sad to see. But Im honestly surprised this has never occurred before, at least to my knowledge ,or has it?


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    wakka12
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    It's homophobia nonetheless.

    yes , it is. but as another user pointed out it is not a sign that homophobia was nt rampant. I don't think anyones trying to dispute whether its a homophobic action


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    duffman13
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    There will always be a cross section of society that is racist or homophobic. I don't think anyone believes homophobia is dead in Ireland, same with racism, agism and numerous other things that make people different.


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    Grayditch
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    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Why are Dublin City council cleaning it? It's a private business which is trading , not an abandoned building

    Probabay because it's illegal hate speech. Strange thing to be concerned about, who cleans it.


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    Professor Moriarty
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    yes , it is. but as another user pointed out it is not a sign that homophobia was nt rampant. I don't think anyones trying to dispute whether its a homophobic action

    I can't see any posts that claim it is 'rampant'.


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    wakka12
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I can't see any posts that claim it is 'rampant'.

    I was just saying it in agreement with post 2. Lots of people's reactions around times like this is to think that homophobia /racism is rising/rampant and I think it couldn't be further from the truth in this instance


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    gizmo81
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    The use of the Nazi symbol is particularly threatening.


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I think sometimes there can be a perception that homophobia doesn't exist anymore here in this country since May 23rd 2015.

    It does. The george was vandalised last night

    https://lovindublin.com/news/pic-the-george-nightclub-got-horrifically-vandalised-last-night


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    Annasopra
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    Where did I say homophobia is rampant?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    neonsofa
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    gizmo81 wrote: »
    The use of the Nazi symbol is particularly threatening.

    This just gave me the impression that it was kids. Similar to the cars being vandalised with ISIS etc recently. They just choose controversial phrases. Kids in my school were always drawing hash leaves and swastikas. Not that it justifies it at all.


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    pilly
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    Joeytheparrot wrote:
    Where did I say homophobia is rampant?


    No you didn't, I apologise I perhaps shouldn't have used this word.

    I just don't like people to pick a random incident like that and use it to say homophobia is alive and well.

    If I'm honest it will always be there no matter what changes. I would just feel it's a small minority now.


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    infogiver
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    duffman13 wrote: »
    There will always be a cross section of society that is racist or homophobic. I don't think anyone believes homophobia is dead in Ireland, same with racism, agism and numerous other things that make people different.

    This is it. There will always be a section of society who finds
    1. Old people
    2.disabled people
    3. Different colour skin
    4. Different sexual orientation
    5. Different religion
    6. Different political outlook
    7. Young people
    Objectionable, and feels the need to attack that group.
    It's mostly a fear that that group will in some way attack them or get power over them.
    Lots of the minorities above feel persecuted and none of them can claim to have special victim status.


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    Annasopra
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    infogiver wrote: »
    This is it. There will always be a section of society who finds
    1. Old people
    2.disabled people
    3. Different colour skin
    4. Different sexual orientation
    5. Different religion
    6. Different political outlook
    7. Young people
    Objectionable, and feels the need to attack that group.
    It's mostly a fear that that group will in some way attack them or get power over them.
    Lots of the minorities above feel persecuted and none of them can claim to have special victim status.

    When people are attacked specifically because of their identity they are victims.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    One eyed Jack
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    The 80's called, they want their grafitti back :pac:

    Then again, the George itself is a throwback to the 80's and is out of place in modern Ireland, so there's that.


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    Phonicks
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    How did they get the text size to fit so perfectly??


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    gizmo81
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    Out of curiosity, why is the George out of place in 'Modern Ireland'?

    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    The 80's called, they want their grafitti back :pac:

    Then again, the George itself is a throwback to the 80's and is out of place in modern Ireland, so there's that.


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    GarIT
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    gizmo81 wrote: »
    The use of the Nazi symbol is particularly threatening.

    I think the Nazi symbol makes it less threatening. Someone who was actually going to do anything would use the Nazi symbol. Whoever did this was just looking to cause the most offence they could by going for shock value just to get attention or have a laugh. Clearly scumbags but clearly not a threat to anyone.


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    CeilingFly
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    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Why are Dublin City council cleaning it? It's a private business which is trading , not an abandoned building

    All businesses within the city area pay into a BID fund. This in turn pays for immediate cleaning of graffiti within the area.

    The council operate the cleaning service on behalf of the BID group and charge them accordingly.


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    gizmo81
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    I believe that when Gay men were a specific target of the Nazi Regime that the use was intentional and deliberate, whether for shock or whatever thousands of gay men died looking at that symbol.

    GarIT wrote: »
    I think the Nazi symbol makes it less threatening. Someone who was actually going to do anything would use the Nazi symbol. Whoever did this was just looking to cause the most offence they could by going for shock value just to get attention or have a laugh. Clearly scumbags but clearly not a threat to anyone.


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    One eyed Jack
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    gizmo81 wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, why is the George out of place in 'Modern Ireland'?


    Because it's a dive, that's why.

    Personal opinion of the place itself, not it's patrons. Grand if you're into living what Ireland was like in the 80's, if nostalgia is your thing, but the 80's night life isn't really a thing in Ireland any more.


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    GarIT
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    gizmo81 wrote: »
    I believe that when Gay men were a specific target of the Nazi Regime that the use was intentional and deliberate, whether for shock or whatever thousands of gay men died looking at that symbol.

    I completely understand your point. I don't think it was an actual Nazi or someone that supports them. There can't be more than a small few Nazis in Ireland, and I think they would be lying low, a real Nazi wouldn't be reckless enough to risk getting caught doing graffiti.

    Anything is possible but I think it's much more probable that someone was **** faced and thought they could show off and give their mates a bit of a laugh.


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    gizmo81
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    I don't even know what this means. But thanks.


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Because it's a dive, that's why.

    Personal opinion of the place itself, not it's patrons. Grand if you're into living what Ireland was like in the 80's, if nostalgia is your thing, but the 80's night life isn't really a thing in Ireland any more.


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    Erik Shin
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Where did I say homophobia is rampant?

    You did say that there's a perception that homophobia doesn't exist in Ireland anymore.... couldn't think of a single person who would agree with that statement


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    tayto lover
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    Overreaction. Should be ignored.

    A couple of uneducated louts seeking a reaction.


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    Cloudio9
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    The graffiti is so err...straight, all letters the same size and between the lines, avoiding the windows that this feels like a stunt to me.

    Reminds me of the white racist in the US who painted "Blacks rule" on his own driveway to claim he was a victim of racism.


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    Professor Moriarty
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    Cloudio9 wrote: »
    The graffiti is so err...straight, all letters the same size and between the lines, avoiding the windows that this feels like a stunt to me.

    Reminds me of the white racist in the US who painted "Blacks rule" on his own driveway to claim he was a victim of racism.
    So it was the gays wot done it? Knew it.


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    tayto lover
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    Cloudio9 wrote: »
    The graffiti is so err...straight, all letters the same size and between the lines, avoiding the windows that this feels like a stunt to me.

    Reminds me of the white racist in the US who painted "Blacks rule" on his own driveway to claim he was a victim of racism.
    You saying trade was down and this is just to fill the pub?


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    neonsofa
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Because it's a dive, that's why.

    Personal opinion of the place itself, not it's patrons. Grand if you're into living what Ireland was like in the 80's, if nostalgia is your thing, but the 80's night life isn't really a thing in Ireland any more.

    Aw i love it :) much like I'd love supermacs or somewhere, hardly the pinnacle of fine dining but love it for what it is kinda thing.


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