new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

mathie · 24-01-2020 1:04pm

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-doctors-wuhan-patients-protective-gear-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

A doctor in the central Chinese city of Wuhan said thousands of patients were waiting for hours to see doctors.

The doctor at a Wuhan hospital told BBC News that there had been "an alarming rate of spread" of the deadly novel coronavirus, or 2019-nCoV, over the past two weeks in the city.

BBC News declined to identify the doctor to protect her identity.

The new coronavirus can pass from human to human, and it had infected at least 830 people and killed 25 as of Friday morning.

As a precaution, the entire city of Wuhan and the nearby cities of Huanggang and Ezhou have been locked down in an unprecedented quarantine against the disease, affecting about 23 million people.

dennyk · 24-01-2020 1:19pm

Could be pretty bad if it gets a foothold in the US. Between the lack of affordable health care (meaning no one will go to the doctor until they're literally dying) and the lack of paid sick leave and the fact that "Sorry, boss, I can't come in, I'm dying of a coronavirus infection" could get you fired on the spot and leave you starving and homeless, especially in jobs with lots and lots of public contact like retail and food service, that **** will spread like wildfire from all the sick employees passing it along to every customer.

branie2 · 24-01-2020 1:24pm

Very worrying

bnt · 24-01-2020 2:05pm

I expect we will start hearing conspiracy stories about this virus, such as the ones surrounding Event 201, a pandemic simulation exercise held in October last year:

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.

Conspiracy theorists love anything that involves Bill Gates, don't they? :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174

igCorcaigh · 24-01-2020 2:30pm

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

While the 2% risk rate doesn't really sound that bad, it's still way above regular seasonal flu, therefore could cause wider disruption as a result.

The CFR is not accurate though, it takes time for people to die.

RobertKK · 24-01-2020 2:35pm

https://twitter.com/jamesdeeganMC/status/1220430225923854336?s=20

Still moving too on the plate...

ChikiChiki · 24-01-2020 2:37pm

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jamesdeeganMC/status/1220430225923854336?s=20

Still moving too on the plate...

:eek::eek:

I've to go to a wedding in China this year. Reading lots of stuff that is putting me off. I will be sticking to McDonalds.

cj maxx · 24-01-2020 2:40pm

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jamesdeeganMC/status/1220430225923854336?s=20

Still moving too on the plate...

That gave me the shudders !

Snow Garden · 24-01-2020 2:47pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

:eek::eek:

I've to go to a wedding in China this year. Reading lots of stuff that is putting me off. I will be sticking to McDonalds.

China is an amazing place and it's prominent cities are high tech wonders. Lovely people and lovely food too.

igCorcaigh · 24-01-2020 2:50pm

cjmc wrote: »

That gave me the shudders !

That.. can't be real, can it??

24-01-2020 2:55pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

China is an amazing place and it's prominent cities are high tech wonders. Lovely people and lovely food too.

Sounds great, go eat some live mice or maybe order some koala and bring snow garden some Corona

the butcher · 24-01-2020 2:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sounds great, go eat some live mice or maybe order some koala and bring snow garden some Corona

But...the architecture!!!

YFlyer · 24-01-2020 3:03pm

There are some guy eating a rat's head as well. Crazy.

megatron989 · 24-01-2020 3:35pm

Wouldn't go to China for my own wedding never mind someone else's at the moment.
Gotta wait and see how this plays out, I'm expecting a fast deterioration in the situation over the next 10 days given current information.
Hopefully tho it just goes away like some people seem to think. Very wishful but my fingers are crossed. Extra glad I bought 20 n99 masks in December just because they where free delivery. Carrying one with me atm in case a dart carriage is extra sniffley one morning.

ChikiChiki · 24-01-2020 3:38pm

Yeah was going to book the flights shortly but I think I'll hold off til April at the earliest.

wakka12 · 24-01-2020 3:43pm

Coronavirus has spread to another country, a case confirmed in Nepal
https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/first-case-of-coronavirus-in-nepal-after-student-who-returned-from-wuhan-tests-postive20200124184400/

24-01-2020 3:52pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

:eek::eek:

I've to go to a wedding in China this year. Reading lots of stuff that is putting me off. I will be sticking to McDonalds.

Relax. You can eat weird stuff or you can go eat some chicken or pork.

IAMAMORON · 24-01-2020 4:08pm

Have Sky news upped the scaremongering yet? I love it when they get going.

I am looking forward to a rolling census of confirmed diagnoses on the bottom corner. If they colour code it continentally it should be class.

To the poster who just bragged about purchasing 20 face masks, you cannot be phucking serious when you say that you actually put one on whilst travelling on the Dart in the morning? Please tell me your on a wind here, please?

timmyntc · 24-01-2020 4:15pm

megatron989 wrote: »

Wouldn't go to China for my own wedding never mind someone else's at the moment.
Gotta wait and see how this plays out, I'm expecting a fast deterioration in the situation over the next 10 days given current information.
Hopefully tho it just goes away like some people seem to think. Very wishful but my fingers are crossed. Extra glad I bought 20 n99 masks in December just because they where free delivery. Carrying one with me atm in case a dart carriage is extra sniffley one morning.

You know those surgical masks don't protect you against airborne viruses?
It stops you from sharing your bacteria with others, but doesn't protect you against breathing in either.

mikhail · 24-01-2020 4:31pm

timmyntc wrote: »

You know those surgical masks don't protect you against airborne viruses?
It stops you from sharing your bacteria with others, but doesn't protect you against breathing in either.

The medical consensus seems to be that they offer a little protection from hand to face contamination if you use them in a disciplined way (change them regularly, dispose of with care, make sure of good fit, etc.), but have little enough practical use outside of a clinical setting.

timmyntc · 24-01-2020 4:41pm

mikhail wrote: »

The medical consensus seems to be that they offer a little protection from hand to face contamination if you use them in a disciplined way (change them regularly, dispose of with care, make sure of good fit, etc.), but have little enough practical use outside of a clinical setting.

They're predominately worn in Asian countries by the sick - as a courtesy so as not to infect other people.
Same reason they're worn by surgeons etc when cutting people open - it's about keeping your germs to yourself.

wakka12 · 24-01-2020 4:49pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Have Sky news upped the scaremongering yet? I love it when they get going.

I am looking forward to a rolling census of confirmed diagnoses on the bottom corner. If they colour code it continentally it should be class.

To the poster who just bragged about purchasing 20 face masks, you cannot be phucking serious when you say that you actually put one on whilst travelling on the Dart in the morning? Please tell me your on a wind here, please?

It may not be completely irrational scare mongering. A study released by Lancaster University predicts up to 250,000 infections in Wuhan alone by early February based on current estimates.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fz7EwlAJjrZs708YGPym1Xj_3PmysukL/view
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/et8zs8/novel_coronavirus_2019ncov_early_estimation_of/
Reddit moderator says the document was verified as a source from Lancaster Uni

megatron989 · 24-01-2020 5:45pm

Haven't needed a mask yet but if some mutent is coughing clouds of virus out into a dart or anywhere else I'll be donning the mask. It's black so ya can call me dart vader.
Fyi- Respirators, also called N95 respirator masks, are designed to protect the wearer from small particles in the air that may contain viruses. ... Overall, respirators are considered much moreeffective at preventing the flu virus than regular facemasks. Still, studies have found benefits to both types of masks.
My one is n99. Slightly smaller particles filtered.

I'll take any help I can get if the sh1t hits the fan. Not gonna need it today but what about 2 weeks for now if things go bad? Better you than me is my attatude.

gavinoontheweb · 24-01-2020 5:58pm

megatron989 wrote: »

Haven't needed a mask yet but if some mutent is coughing clouds of virus out into a dart or anywhere else I'll be donning the mask. It's black so ya can call me dart vader.
Fyi- Respirators, also called N95 respirator masks, are designed to protect the wearer from small particles in the air that may contain viruses. ... Overall, respirators are considered much moreeffective at preventing the flu virus than regular facemasks. Still, studies have found benefits to both types of masks.

I'll take any help I can get if the sh1t hits the fan. Not gonna need it today but what about 2 weeks for now if things go bad? Better you than me is my attatude.

If I was that concerned about small particles in the air I wouldn't get on the Dart at all. Effective hand hygiene and not touching poles,rails,seats etc... is far more important.

Also N95 masks are of little use outside of short bursts in clinical settings, it is very difficult to breathe in normally if one is affixed correctly.

bodhrandude · 24-01-2020 6:04pm

Suspected Belfast case. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/man-tested-for-symptoms-linked-to-coronavirus-in-belfast-1.4148960?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR3GLSNaXXVaW759E2gSPIWjIRhB08tZM3EWAzVEC-v4FHKx_O2ax9CLr78

Yester · 24-01-2020 6:06pm

I hope this doesn't affect my Savory Bat Business.

ceadaoin. · 24-01-2020 6:08pm

So by all accounts, this virus is nowhere near as bad as SARS for most people. The confirmed cases in the US are only showing "mild" symptoms and there are likely thousands of people in china who have it and not needed medical care. Almost all the confirmed deaths were older people with under lying conditions. So why all the panic and fear mongering? Something like Ebola becoming widespread is something to worry about, doesn't seem like this is zombie apocalypse level or anything.

Somedaythefire · 24-01-2020 6:11pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

So by all accounts, this virus is nowhere near as bad as SARS for most people. The confirmed cases in the US are only showing "mild" symptoms and there are likely thousands of people in china who have it and not needed medical care. Almost all the confirmed deaths were older people with under lying conditions. So why all the panic and fear mongering? Something like Ebola becoming widespread is something to worry about, doesn't seem like this is zombie apocalypse level or anything.

The "panic", you're complaining about is because it's a new virus and has a moderately high fatality rate among confirmed cases of infection. The "panic" is a good thing, because it will hopefully allow experts to crack down on it and control it.

cj maxx · 24-01-2020 6:13pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

China is an amazing place and it's prominent cities are high tech wonders. Lovely people and lovely food too.

An amazing place and lovely people. Food was absolutely gorgeous too. I was amazed at the bamboo scaffolding on a skyscraper being built and the workers in bare feet ! Though obviously I saw mostly the tourist spots and not how normal people live. I still would go back

megatron989 · 24-01-2020 6:14pm

I agree with most that things aren't 2 bad at the moment. I believe people are worried because most who know something of the history of pandemics know that we will one day have to face a bad one. And they all start slow with one or two patients.
We live in a country with very few ambulances and a totally overwhelmed hospital system. One large scale emergency would cause absolute chaos.
Taking steps, any steps, to protect or insulate yourself in any way is a good thing. And people who keep an eye on emerging issues are watching this very closely.

Duke of Url · 24-01-2020 6:14pm

bodhrandude wrote: »

Suspected Belfast case. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/man-tested-for-symptoms-linked-to-coronavirus-in-belfast-1.4148960?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR3GLSNaXXVaW759E2gSPIWjIRhB08tZM3EWAzVEC-v4FHKx_O2ax9CLr78

Not suspected case https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/doctors-99-certain-belfast-patient-does-not-have-deadly-coronavirus-38891735.html

ceadaoin. · 24-01-2020 6:24pm

Somedaythefire wrote: »

The "panic", you're complaining about is because it's a new virus and has a moderately high fatality rate among confirmed cases of infection. The "panic" is a good thing, because it will hopefully allow experts to crack down on it and control it.

I'm not saying that measures to control it shouldn't be taken. Hopefully they are effective in preventing the spread around the world. But for the average person outside of China there is no need to "panic" just yet. It seems many are though (case in point - person in dublin ordering surgical masks), egged on by the hyperbolic news stories. It's a bad cold for most people according to the experts

24-01-2020 6:26pm

Since the lunar new year is a hot topic, happy new year everyone. Best I could do from my balcony.

24-01-2020 6:27pm

cjmc wrote: »

An amazing place and lovely people. Food was absolutely gorgeous too. I was amazed at the bamboo scaffolding on a skyscraper being built and the workers in bare feet ! Though obviously I saw mostly the tourist spots and not how normal people live. I still would go back

Probably be cheaper deals coming up soon. Try Wuhan. Don't rush back, really enjoy yourself

seamus · 24-01-2020 6:28pm

megatron989 wrote: »

I agree with most that things aren't 2 bad at the moment. I believe people are worried because most who know something of the history of pandemics know that we will one day have to face a bad one. And they all start slow with one or two patients.

The last catastrophic pandemic was the Spanish 'flu, and there were numerous factors that allowed it to become such a cataclysm.

Major pandemics before that one can mostly be traced back to the fact that antibiotics hadn't been invented yet and germ theory hadn't been developed, so hygiene was non-existent.

Sure, it's scant solace to the people who die and their families, but the odds of us seeing anything like the Spanish flu within a few centuries is pretty small.

Somedaythefire · 24-01-2020 6:29pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I'm not saying that measures to control it shouldn't be taken. Hopefully they are effective in preventing the spread around the world. But for the average person outside of China there is no need to "panic" just yet. It seems many are though (case in point - person in dublin ordering surgical masks), egged on by the hyperbolic news stories. It's a bad cold for most people according to the experts

Chinese New Year festival is happening at the moment. The largest annual human migration. The city the outbreak happened in, is a very important city for travel in China due to its central location. It may be a bad cold for most, but those older, younger and immunocompromised people it could be quite bad, especially given the timing. I'm not overly worried, myself. But I can see why it's scary prospect given the timing.

ceadaoin. · 24-01-2020 6:42pm

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Chinese New Year festival is happening at the moment. The largest annual human migration. The city the outbreak happened in, is a very important city for travel in China due to its central location. It may be a bad cold for most, but those older, younger and immunocompromised people it could be quite bad, especially given the timing. I'm not overly worried, myself. But I can see why it's scary prospect given the timing.

There were similar worries about MERS and an epidemic/pandemic due the Hajj which luckily ended up not being a major issue. Hopefully the measures put in place and people actively avoiding anything that may lead to exposure will help to curtail the spread.

megatron989 · 24-01-2020 6:55pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I'm not saying that measures to control it shouldn't be taken. Hopefully they are effective in preventing the spread around the world. But for the average person outside of China there is no need to "panic" just yet. It seems many are though (case in point - person in dublin ordering surgical masks), egged on by the hyperbolic news stories. It's a bad cold for most people according to the experts

Just an aside on the masks, I ordered them before I'd ever heard of this virus. Not a prepper or anything. Just a handy thing to have that costs little. Be it smoke or killer alien plague, better a cheap n99 than nothing at all.
And if I get sick I won't be spreading anything around as much. But I would definitely use it on a nasty train if the animals sharing it refuse to cover their mouths when coughing. Obviously if we are knowing we where in the mist of a serious virus outbreak at the time. I've had my jabs so not worried about seasonal flu as much.

OU812 · 24-01-2020 7:12pm

Disney Shanghai is closing it’s gates from today. It’s probably a lot more serious then the Chinese government are letting on

https://www.reddit.com/r/disneyparks/comments/et7vv9/shanghai_disneyland_will_close_starting_tomorrow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

24-01-2020 7:24pm

OU812 wrote: »

Disney Shanghai is closing it’s gates from today. It’s probably a lot more serious then the Chinese government are letting on

https://www.reddit.com/r/disneyparks/comments/et7vv9/shanghai_disneyland_will_close_starting_tomorrow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

What are they letting on.. They know the whole world knows they're locking down cities. Cases popping up around the world. The cat's out of the bag. Locking down cities speaks louder than saying 5,000 before it's been fully confirmed.

wakka12 · 24-01-2020 8:00pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

So by all accounts, this virus is nowhere near as bad as SARS for most people. The confirmed cases in the US are only showing "mild" symptoms and there are likely thousands of people in china who have it and not needed medical care. Almost all the confirmed deaths were older people with under lying conditions. So why all the panic and fear mongering? Something like Ebola becoming widespread is something to worry about, doesn't seem like this is zombie apocalypse level or anything.

What would be way worse than over reacting to an unknown new highly infectious disease would be under reacting, epidemic will very quickly turn to pandemic and if the disease turns out to be more dangerous than first thought well then theres nothing than can be done anymore. Better to contain it then study it

ChikiChiki · 24-01-2020 8:03pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Have Sky news upped the scaremongering yet? I love it when they get going.

I am looking forward to a rolling census of confirmed diagnoses on the bottom corner. If they colour code it continentally it should be class.

To the poster who just bragged about purchasing 20 face masks, you cannot be phucking serious when you say that you actually put one on whilst travelling on the Dart in the morning? Please tell me your on a wind here, please?

Kay Burley must be in transit.

Looks a bit chaotic all the same.

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1220731224051867648?s=19

igCorcaigh · 24-01-2020 8:27pm

2 cases in France now.
To be expected.

I'm not sure if there have been any cases of H2H spread outside of China.

ceadaoin. · 24-01-2020 8:34pm

wakka12 wrote: »

What would be way worse than over reacting to an unknown new highly infectious disease would be under reacting, epidemic will very quickly turn to pandemic and if the disease turns out to be more dangerous than first thought well then theres nothing than can be done anymore. Better to contain it then study it

The authorities dont seem to be under reacting though which is good. The US have diverted all flights from the region to 4 airports where screening is taking place for example. I'm talking about the average person who is not in China and has no contact with anyone from there getting panicked and the media running hysterical headlines. No need for it.

Duke of Url · 24-01-2020 8:48pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The authorities dont seem to be under reacting though which is good. The US have diverted all flights from the region to 4 airports where screening is taking place for example. I'm talking about the average person who is not in China and has no contact with anyone from there getting panicked and the media running hysterical headlines. No need for it.

Clickbait headlines and Dramatic breaking news is the way forward now.

No need for investigative journalism anymore.

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-01-2020 9:03pm

There is still so many unknowns, but it looks like anyone in a high risk area, is not only gonna have to buy the 3M (type N95) facemasks,
but they'll also now need swimmers (sealed) eye goggles:

A top medic who contracted Coronavirus says the deadly respiratory disease is so contagious it can be transmitted through the eyes.
He says he developed conjunctivitis in his left eye after returning to Beijing and around three hours later he began had a fever and severe catarrh.

Gringo180 · 24-01-2020 9:14pm

What is the big deal about this virus? 80 thousand people die a year from the flu. This wont kill even 8 thousand people a year.

fritzelly · 24-01-2020 9:14pm

How many people have been thru the screening, passed it and then a few days later the virus blows up. Like the latest case in the US, flew over on the 13th, now in hospital...

Kermit.de.frog · 24-01-2020 9:18pm

Emgergency Co-ordination Center meeting called in Dublin to discuss the crisis

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-01-2020 9:37pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

What is the big deal about this virus? 80 thousand people die a year from the flu. This wont kill even 8 thousand people a year.

See any of the previous pages.

This is a novel virus (has no vaccine, immunity or cure) and it's full effects are not know, it may also mutate, estimated to have 70%+ similar genome sequence to the early-2000 breakout known as SARS-CoV.
Not enough is known about the epidemiology of 2019-nCoV to draw definitive conclusions about the full clinical features of disease.

Seasonal flu kills about 0.1%, this one is around the 2.0% mark (so far) still that 's much lower than MERS/SARS, but 2% is the same rate as the 1918 Spanish Flu.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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