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Garda shoots dog in Longford

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  • #152
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Hurrache wrote:
    And even if there was, he was there unofficially helping a friend.


    "He was there unofficially helping a friend" of course you have proof of this and not some baseless allegation I trust.


  • #153
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what use is a baton against a slash hook?

    You're still assuming what is so far hearsay and not reported elsewhere is fact.


  • #154
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    idnkph wrote: »
    Few issues with this.
    The cop didn't have a batton or pepper spray? Surely this is a first line of defence? I wonder had he called for back up before hand?!
    Why was the cop wearing a tie? If your in a dangerous job that can become physical with violent people why oh why wear a tie? Any doorman would never wear as tie because of the dangerous nature of their job so why should a cop wear one that's not a clip on?
    There is no dagg to be seen attacking him and holding onto his tie as someone said. You can clearly see it's the cream cracker holding onto his tie giving him an advantage with physical control.
    The cop made so many mistakes in that short bit of a clip we seen so how many more has he made from the start of the situation?!

    He should have shot the lot of them! That's the only issue that I have!


  • #155
    Hurrache
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    "He was there unofficially helping a friend" of course you have proof of this and not some baseless allegation I trust.

    What the hell is wrong with people and their comprehension issues?

    It's there in straightforward English, I said I was commenting specifically on what was written in Broadsheet.


  • #156
    Plumbthedepths
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    Hurrache wrote:
    It's there in straightforward English, I said I was commenting specifically on what was written in Broadsheet.


    You are basing your assumptions on a very poorly written piece of rubbish tbh.


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  • #157
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Hurrache wrote: »
    You're still assuming what is so far hearsay and not reported elsewhere is fact.


    there is a lot about this that is hearsay. But what we have heard matches with typical behaviour by this group.


  • #158
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You are basing your assumptions on a very poorly written piece of rubbish tbh.

    Yes, I explicitly said that if that's how it played out. Nothing tricky there, I was commenting on their take. Same as everyone else on this thread.


  • #159
    Effects
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    thegetawaycar wrote: »
    We miss the reason that the woman screaming is claiming she is pressing charges?

    Probably put her hands on the Garda, who pulled away from her grasp, and she considers this assault.


  • #160
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Hurrache wrote:
    Yes, I explicitly said that if that's how it played out. Nothing tricky there.

    "If" so you have no idea then other than a poorly written article. Grand so, here was I thinking you had some insight . Thanks for clearing things up .
    Funny though you ignore the dialogue from the guard on camera in favour of an article. Biased prehaps?


  • #161
    MarkHenderson
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    Normal law abiding people see a Gardai with a gun and say okay i'll leave this now and follow up later if i have to, normal people.


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  • #162
    Raheem Euro
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    Possibly the dog's vocal cords have worn away completely after years of screaching competitions with Mrs Boot.


  • #163
    cursai
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    A lot of rumours going around. But the video clearly shows the guard being attacked. Nobody has the right to impede a driver, even when Mary is two weeks from spawning.


  • #164
    Gravelly
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    It says a lot that the "lady" in the video hardly flinched when the dog was shot - camera stayed running on the subject matter, made sure she didn't show the dog, and did lots of theatrical screaming.
    Part of the culture I suppose.


  • #165
    wakka12
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    Hes lucky he didnt get a lot worse grabbing an armed detective


  • #166
    Plumbthedepths
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    Gravelly wrote:
    It says a lot that the "lady" in the video hardly flinched when the dog was shot - camera stayed running on the subject matter, made sure she didn't show the dog, and did lots of theatrical screaming. Part of the culture I suppose.

    Interesting how the lad holding the guard's tie and Mrs Speilberg knew the guard by his first name. I doubt they move in the same social circles...


  • #167
    Wossack
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    not watched the vid - but rte reporting the leg wound as being caused by a shotgun. Is that a normal firearm carried by the the gards?


  • #168
    Plumbthedepths
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    Wossack wrote:
    not watched the vid - but rte reporting the leg wound as being caused by a shotgun. Is that a normal firearm carried by the the gards?


    Watch the video. RTE are idiots.


  • #169
    tuxy
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    idnkph wrote: »
    Few issues with this.
    The cop didn't have a batton or pepper spray? Surely this is a first line of defence? I wonder had he called for back up before hand?!
    Why was the cop wearing a tie? If your in a dangerous job that can become physical with violent people why oh why wear a tie? Any doorman would never wear as tie because of the dangerous nature of their job so why should a cop wear one that's not a clip on?

    This is standard attire for a detective. He is required to carry a pistol. A baton or pepper spray are not standard issue for a detective.


  • #170
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    Never take a mangy mutt to a gun-fight!
    (oh and leave the Alsatian at home too)


  • #171
    Gravelly
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    Wossack wrote: »
    not watched the vid - but rte reporting the leg wound as being caused by a shotgun. Is that a normal firearm carried by the the gards?

    If it was caused by a shotgun then it wasn't the Garda that did it. Though RTE wouldn't exactly be the most reliable of sources. They probably checked with Pavee Point before they reported.


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  • #172
    Ninthlife
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    Watched the video again.. After 'Tom' shoots, the screaming lady pans the camera around the ground and rear of the truck and there is no sign of the dog there was neither a yelp so either the dog bolted or the when it was shot the guy holding it dragged it away.

    If it was point blank to the head surely there would be some splatter and a body


  • #173
    pistolpetes11
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    Well its all coming out in the wash now ,

    Lets Call him the Sandy haired cultured gentleman had just been disarmed of a slash hook before the video was taken ( Hence the drawn weapon by the Guard )

    The video was edited :eek::eek::eek::eek: so you don't see the dog , dog had attacked and bitten the Guard on the arm , dog was shot and bullet went through him and caught the cultured gentleman

    The cultured family are well known to Gardai for a variety of reasons .............


  • #174
    upandcumming
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    mike_cork wrote: »
    Broadsheet.ie have this up
    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/04/meanwhile-in-longford-8/?fbclid=IwAR0eM4TYuPfsUo84-kNhA13ojCEXPIhYkqnLvZnYxZxbmkk3EcYA-QyO1sw

    "Shortly before 6pm, A garda in Edgeworthstown in Longford allegedly helping a friend remove a van that the repairs on it hadn’t been paid for…When the man who repaired it tried to stop the van from being taken, the garda, shoving the man and his wife and when his tie was grabbed, raised a pistol and shot the man having already allegedly shot and killed his dog…"

    And that's the reason I quit looking at that website years ago. Pure scutter.


  • #175
    ohnonotgmail
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    pistolpetes11 wrote: »
    Well its all coming out in the wash now ,

    Lets Call him the Sandy haired cultured gentleman had just been disarmed of a slash hook before the video was taken ( Hence the drawn weapon by the Guard )

    The video was edited :eek::eek::eek::eek: so you don't see the dog , dog had attacked and bitten the Guard on the arm , dog was shot and bullet went through him and caught the cultured gentleman

    The cultured family are well known to Gardai for a variety of reasons .............


    well known? they are on first name terms.


  • #176
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    "I see you've played gunny - slashhooky before!"


  • #177
    tuxy
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    pistolpetes11 wrote: »
    Well its all coming out in the wash now ,

    Lets Call him the Sandy haired cultured gentleman had just been disarmed of a slash hook before the video was taken ( Hence the drawn weapon by the Guard )

    The video was edited :eek::eek::eek::eek: so you don't see the dog , dog had attacked and bitten the Guard on the arm , dog was shot and bullet went through him and caught the cultured gentleman

    The cultured family are well known to Gardai for a variety of reasons .............

    This sounds believable but it would be nice to have a source. Possibly too soon for news sources to fact check all this?


  • #178
    cherryghost
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    The people in the video are well known individuals in the area who were part of a group that were caught a few months back with stolen diggers and vans.


  • #179
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    cherryghost wrote: »
    The people in the video are well known individuals in the area who were part of a group that were caught a few months back with stolen diggers and vans.

    Again I'd believe it but please link to news articles.


  • #180
    _Brian
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    To me it looks like when the traveller was holding something down low early on in the video, maybe a dog, maybe not, it was awful quiet if it was a dog, that’s the sort of situation where a dog would be going a big mad.

    Perhaps towards the end when the van door is closed he has the dog on one hand and is pulling the detectives face down towards the dog by the tow with his other hand.

    It’s not unusual for guards and detectives to know and be known on first name terms by people and criminals in their own area.

    There were other people on the background, you can see the detective glancing back at them, I wonder did they film anything, that would be an interesting angle to view this from.

    Guards and detectives don’t go about drawing their weapons for no good reason, he knew he was being filmed so he must have had reason.
    Towards the end of the clip as he was being pulled down by the tow he was definitely afraid of something he that dog or traveller, he did a service just shooting in the foot.


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  • #181
    cherryghost
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Again I'd believe it but please link to news articles.

    I don't have a link, a friend I know used to live nearby and know the people well. They purchased a factory unit a year ago beside a garage, and then were caught by gardai months ago with stolen vehicles. And they've been giving the local Gardai hell since then.

    EDIT: Actually, it was covered in the news less than a week ago


  • #182
    tuxy
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    Every garda especially a detective knows that there is an investigation anytime a shot is fired. There is no question that he most a been extremely scared to have used his pistol.


  • #183
    pistolpetes11
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    well known? they are on first name terms.

    Lets call them regulars for want of a better word


  • #184
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    weird how the dog never barked or yelped. i never saw/heard of a dog grabbing a person by his tie. more likely to grab your leg i would have thought.
    i'm not disputing the Gardaí version of events but ....


  • #185
    tuxy
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    cherryghost wrote: »
    Actually, it was covered in the news less than a week ago

    If that is the travellers involved the detective was crazy to approach them alone. That's a serious illegal operation so I can only imagine the people involved are very dangerous.


  • #186
    Sky King
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    What sort of a spastic engages in any kind of conflict with an armed police officer? Seriously?

    These people are too used to living in a world without consequences.


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  • #187
    utyh2ikcq9z76b
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    Grayditch wrote: »
    The confusion is that the dog's name is "Foot".


    Or since Paddy Casey they have just started to call travellers dogs


  • #188
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    Sky King wrote: »
    What sort of a spastic engages in any kind of conflict with an armed police officer? Seriously?

    These people are too used to living in a world without consequences.

    can you even imagine confronting and obstructing a police officer in the USA or even Spain who had just drawn his firearm?


  • #189
    Red_Wake
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    Give that guard a medal and an Uzi.


  • #190
    Ten of Swords
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    I'm confused, how many shots did the garda discharge?

    The uploader of the video (and reprinted in Broadsheet) is suggesting two, one before the recording where the dog is killed and a second shot which is on the video
    Shortly before 6pm, A garda allegedly helping a friend remove a van that the repairs on it hadn’t been paid for…When the man who repaired it tried to stop the van from being taken, the garda, shoving the man and his wife and when his tie was grabbed, raised a pistol and shot the man having already allegedly shot and killed his dog…

    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/04/meanwhile-in-longford

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  • #191
    Gravelly
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    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    I'm confused, how many shots did the garda discharge?

    The uploader of the video (and reprinted in Broadsheet) is suggesting two, one before the recording where the dog is killed and a second shot which is on the video



    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/04/meanwhile-in-longford

    Yer man that uploaded the video seems to have a small forest on his shoulder, and Broadsheet isn't exactly the most reliable of sources.


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  • #192
    Captain Obvious
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    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    I'm confused, how many shots did the garda discharge?

    The uploader of the video (and reprinted in Broadsheet) is suggesting two, one before the recording where the dog is killed and a second shot which is on the video



    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/04/meanwhile-in-longford


    Wouldn't they have mentioned that in the video instead of going on about assault? I seems pretty likely that the dog was what the man was holding onto at the start of the video and what the Garda was shooting at.


  • #193
    LeBash
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    If they were breaking the law and it looks like they were harassing the man in the van, whatever they got, they deserved. There shouldn't be any compensation to anyone who is injured while breaking the law


  • #194
    pistolpetes11
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    tuxy wrote: »
    This sounds believable but it would be nice to have a source. Possibly too soon for news sources to fact check all this?

    It will come out in the investigation , there were more witnesses than the 4 people we see or hear from in this video

    Hopefully charges will follow .....


  • #195
    tuxy
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    LeBash wrote: »
    If they were breaking the law and it looks like they were harassing the man in the van, whatever they got, they deserved. There shouldn't be any compensation to anyone who is injured while breaking the law

    I didn't think of that. The man that was shot will probably get a massive payout from the state. Depressing :(


  • #196
    Wheres Me Jumper?
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    LeBash wrote: »
    If they were breaking the law and it looks like they were harassing the man in the van, whatever they got, they deserved. There shouldn't be any compensation to anyone who is injured while breaking the law

    you're not very familiar with how the Irish system of justice operates, are you?


  • #197
    Fann Linn
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    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    I'm confused, how many shots did the garda discharge?

    The uploader of the video (and reprinted in Broadsheet) is suggesting two, one before the recording where the dog is killed and a second shot which is on the video




    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/04/meanwhile-in-longford


    Not enough.


  • #198
    cloudy90210
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    Give that Garda a medal of honour.

    Poor dog having owners like that putting him in the line of fire. Hopefully the Garda isn't too shook up about the incident. He was defending himself. Screw the travellers.

    Can't wait to hear what Margaret Cash has to say on the matter..........


  • #199
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/burglar-sues-shop-owner-after-he-injured-his-testicles-while-robbing-the-premises-36468641.html


  • #200
    Sky King
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    Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »
    can you even imagine confronting and obstructing a police officer in the USA or even Spain who had just drawn his firearm?

    I know I had the exact same thought. I'd say if you even walked towards (let alone touched) a US cop with a drawn firearm he would put you down without thinking twice, and that would be the end of it.


  • #201
    dan1895
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    Frances Icy Inch wrote: »
    Or since Paddy Casey they have just started to call travellers dogs

    Anyone can loose it all.
    Anyone can loose it all.


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